Clever alchemist change requires you to be in combat for it to proc what!!

LegacyDM · October 2017

Chronicburn wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The issue is some people on PC were using addons to rapidly equip clever alchemist, get the proc, and then unequip the whole set and replace with something like Spriggans or Hundings before attacking.

The combat requirement prevents people from changing their gear after getting the proc.

I personally would prefer that they make it so that procing clever alchemist PUTS you in combat... it would have the same effect at preventing gankers with addons... but the “in combat” system is already buggy enough as is and I doubt they could pull that off.

I run CA and I will not be affected by this.

If someone wants to put in that much effort to have an edge, let them. They deserve the extra kills. Trust me, there is a lot of time involved in researching, installing and using all those add-ons. I never did much of it because it's not convenient. Now these *** are punishing everyone, even console players who don't have addons.

It's pisspoor game management and shows that the people running this game into the ground are not true gamers themselves ... more like communists, destroying the whole system with the false hope that trying to make everyone equal will make things better...

All the flavor of the game is going away and soon we will all have the same boring skills and be playing in our cookie cutter crappy houses ... sorry, I mean all of you

Really? so by your logic if someone wants to take the time to figure out HEX translations, pointer locations, and assembly language they should be allowed to use cheat engine? Do they deserve the extra kills too?

LadyLavina · October 2017

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Should just make CA "when you take damage or apply damage, increase WD/SD by..." now.

Let the decon begin.

Yeah I run a bow gank build it's already hard enough to use the bow cause it's so under powered but I always had clever alchemist to look forward to make up for the lack the bow does before I would hit my target now your forced to confront your target as a stamina nightblade to get your damage increase nightblade are already squishy as it is we don't like to confront anyone nightblades like to burst people down then move to the next

Translation:

Us Stamina Nightblades are cowards who only want fight unsuspecting opponents who we can (hopefully) burst down before they can fight back...

lol what a troll, i gather you've been ganked by a stamblade or two?

Chronicburn · October 2017

LegacyDM wrote: »

Chronicburn wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The issue is some people on PC were using addons to rapidly equip clever alchemist, get the proc, and then unequip the whole set and replace with something like Spriggans or Hundings before attacking.

The combat requirement prevents people from changing their gear after getting the proc.

I personally would prefer that they make it so that procing clever alchemist PUTS you in combat... it would have the same effect at preventing gankers with addons... but the “in combat” system is already buggy enough as is and I doubt they could pull that off.

I run CA and I will not be affected by this.

If someone wants to put in that much effort to have an edge, let them. They deserve the extra kills. Trust me, there is a lot of time involved in researching, installing and using all those add-ons. I never did much of it because it's not convenient. Now these *** are punishing everyone, even console players who don't have addons.

It's pisspoor game management and shows that the people running this game into the ground are not true gamers themselves ... more like communists, destroying the whole system with the false hope that trying to make everyone equal will make things better...

All the flavor of the game is going away and soon we will all have the same boring skills and be playing in our cookie cutter crappy houses ... sorry, I mean all of you

Really? so by your logic if someone wants to take the time to figure out HEX translations, pointer locations, and assembly language they should be allowed to use cheat engine? Do they deserve the extra kills too?

Ok smart guy, how about yes. If someone wants to go to all that trouble just to play a game then by all means ... 99.9999% of us just to want to log in and have fun and not have the skills and/or items we play for NOT BE NERFED INTO USLESSNESS ...
you shouldn't go around screwing the masses to account for the occasional one-off

LegacyDM · October 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

So with Bow attack being nerfed so you cant hold it to start the fight from stealth,

Then Damage done from stealth being nerfed,

Then C.A being nerfed,

Then Miatts still functioning at its current state totally circumventing any sort of gank attempt

Guess all the crying done from players wearing light armour, all divines, adamant they wont use skills provided in the game and/or detect potions (Which magika has the best of) has worked.

All this does is continually make the Nightblade class worthless to play and wood elf passives for reduced stealth detection worthless and push more into Heavy armour cancerous builds.

Seemingly its either BALL GROUP spam up no skill or be continually farmed or not play. Instead of gradually adjusting things for a better game the angle is definitely now overhaul and have people massively change to keep interest.

Haven't you figured it out yet? ZOS wants to kill NB class and replace it with something else...It's just unclear what their vision is. I don't think they have figured out their vision either. ZOS management works on the mentality of lets just figure this stuff out as we go along. No planning, just good idea fairy when it suits them. Hell, they can't even make up their mind on the CP siphoner passive. One minute its 25% next its back to 15% with reductions on all sources of regen. One day they require vamp to slot a skill next update that requirement is removed. One minute they change cyrodil campaign to faction lock IC entrances to back to normal. This company has terrible project management planning and can't stay consistent. Never saw a company do so much trial and error on live than ZOS. No wonder the community is frustrated every update. They keep drastically changing things from mechanics to gear to gameplay. No matter how many times the community tells them something is a bad idea they ignore the feedback and move forward with it anyways.

Unbelievable.

neverwalk · October 2017

Ambush, pop potion, flurry

Narvuntien · October 2017

You try playing PVP with 400 to +900 ping and 60 to 2 fps "fairly"... huh huh.

The abuse is the addon allowing quick gear swaps, therefore ban addons in PVP.. problem solved!

Instead they basically deleted my character and all my enjoyment of PVP.

HorizonPK · October 2017

Only reason this is happening is because you can proc alchemist and swap sets while still retaining the alchemist buff, enjoy exploiting this PoS game until its patched guys.

Also RIP gankblade, 1 year straight of ganking only to see it get slowly destroyed.

Also, RIP solo/small scale, games getting more and more casual that caters towards the many pest zerglings.

LadyLavina · October 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

ban addons in PVP.. problem solved!

lol and the [snip] idea of the day award goes to....

I kid.

I do think there are some add ons that have no business in pvp that likely put unneeded stress on the server *cough cough* Miats *cough cough* but I dont think banning them all is the solution.

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Narvuntien · October 2017

LadyLavina wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

ban addons in PVP.. problem solved!

lol and the [snip] idea of the day award goes to....

I kid.

I do think there are some add ons that have no business in pvp that likely put unneeded stress on the server *cough cough* Miats *cough cough* but I dont think banning them all is the solution.

It is the perfect soultion. The problem is the addons giving unfair advantages to the people that use them. Its like saying steriods are okay if everyone is using them.

They give large flashing dodge now and break free warnings, they allow people to see the exact hp of thier targets when they hover over them. All of that is completely unfair for something that is supposed to be compedative. Addons are a crutch.

It would help new players in PVP immensely and those just dipping thier toes into PVP.

This change prevents me from playing PVP. My only job now is to man siege and PVDoor because there is 0 chance of me killing anyone. Unless they give me a server closer to home.

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LadyLavina · October 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

ban addons in PVP.. problem solved!

lol and the [snip] idea of the day award goes to....

I kid.

I do think there are some add ons that have no business in pvp that likely put unneeded stress on the server *cough cough* Miats *cough cough* but I dont think banning them all is the solution.

It is the perfect solution in my opinion.

Fixed that

Narvuntien wrote: »

The problem is the addons giving unfair advantages to the people that use them.

Erm, no. Not an unfair advantage. Anyone can get the add-ons, some people just choose to use them and some dont. The ones that dont may or may not put themselves at what may be perceived as a disadvantage.

Some people cant use add ons because their hardware struggles with their demands. That's a wholllle different topic though. It's like people that can drive to work vs those that have to walk.

It's clear to me that you simply dislike add ons so lets kinda move forward on that premise and not act like they're bad in general for whatever reason lol

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elijafire · October 2017

Jake1576 wrote: »

So you can't use clever alchemist to gank etc anymore unless you hit the person first or they hit you first in order to get the proc to increase your weapon damage or spell damage this is ridiculous this will ruin clever alchemist I usually popped a potion before I hit someone not after I would already hit them this set will be useless now for certain play styles

I'm confused, with hundings and spriggins you should have plenty enough juice to loose from stealth, if they have a shield up then you are doing it wrong

Jake1576 · October 2017

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Narvuntien · October 2017

LadyLavina wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

The problem is the addons giving unfair advantages to the people that use them.

Erm, no. Not an unfair advantage. Anyone can get the add-ons, some people just choose to use them and some dont. The ones that dont may or may not put themselves at what may be perceived as a disadvantage.

Some people cant use add ons because their hardware struggles with their demands. That's a wholllle different topic though. It's like people that can drive to work vs those that have to walk.

It's clear to me that you simply dislike add ons so lets kinda move forward on that premise and not act like they're bad in general for whatever reason lol

That is like saying steriods are okay if everyone is using them.

"Some people cant use add ons because their hardware struggles with their demands."
Cryodil is already horrifyingly laggy and fps often drops to 0... adding addons will only make it worse for me. I can't use them because i am worried they will slow my computer and crash the game. So yes that is why addons are an issue for me.

So what is happening is that the Clever alchemist change prevents me from playing PVP anymore, it was already very difficult for me, now it is impossible because it doesn't allow me to set up a fight I have to do it in combat when my fps is 0 and my ping is +999.

Do you want only people with good computers and near the server be able to play PVP? or do you want it to be open to more people?

LadyLavina · October 2017

Edit: Deleted, going to just agree to disagree.

@Narvuntien , I can see that we're at a bit of a stalemate. I can see where you're coming from and I gather that you see where I'm coming from, but it's clear that we're both very passionate and unwavering about our respective stances on this.

I apologize for anything I've said that seemed nasty, I just love the game, same as you. Let us agree to disagree lol

Narvuntien · October 2017

*takes breath*.

okay, I think I can do that.

Time to log on for the day...

HatchetHaro · October 2017

Good try ZOS, but I think it would be better if you guys just change the 5pc buff to only be effective if you have 5 pieces of it equipped. It's a nerf on Clever Alch weapons, sure, but not a super significant one.

Slick_007 · October 2017

i've always said players can and will abuse anything and everything. they will always find a way to use something that devs never intended. Obviously using an addon to quickly swap a set of gear out so you can keep a proc from gear you are no longer wearing, in order to gain an advantage is one of those things. they fixed it.

i got no issues with this change. i can see why it was made. The only people who cant are those pvp'ers who just arent good enough. Im not that good at pvp either, but i dont go crying when they nerf something. and fyi, i have a stam nightblade in there usually. The one that everyone complains is no good after <insert change> and yet they continue to play it and its perfectly fine until the next change, when they cry the same old story. If it was no good after the last change, why are you still there with it?

Ilithyania · October 2017

had alotta fun with this set. oh well. life goes on

Enslaved · October 2017

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Should just make CA "when you take damage or apply damage, increase WD/SD by..." now.

Let the decon begin.

Yeah I run a bow gank build it's already hard enough to use the bow cause it's so under powered but I always had clever alchemist to look forward to make up for the lack the bow does before I would hit my target now your forced to confront your target as a stamina nightblade to get your damage increase nightblade are already squishy as it is we don't like to confront anyone nightblades like to burst people down then move to the next

Translation:

Us Stamina Nightblades are cowards who only want fight unsuspecting opponents who we can (hopefully) burst down before they can fight back...

Unsuspecting opponents? In PvP? Leave Cyrodiil and never return.

Jake1576 · October 2017

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eso_nya · October 2017

Did they fix the bug where putting a heal on someone else keeps u in combat for half an hour? No critters around anymore?

Skinzz · October 2017

I use clever on my stamplar. Gg zos...

Jake1576 · October 2017

xskinzcity wrote: »

I use clever on my stamplar. Gg zos...

Yeah it's a good set for any stamina class I also use it on my stamina sorcerer I just mentioned stamina nightblades cause it affects the stamina nightblades gank play style that use clever alchemist the most I would suspect but other classes that also used this to get the element of surprise on their target will also be affected by this it's literally making people forced to run another set just because @ZOS_Wrobel thinks it needs nerfed even tho it doesn't it's fine the way it is minus the bar swapping issue but there has to be a fix around that will allow people who actually wear 5 piece's to not get screwed over to allow them to be able to pop a potion while in stealth and not having to reveal them selves just to get the weapon damage buff

Qbiken · October 2017

eso_nya wrote: »

Did they fix the feature where putting a heal on someone else keeps u in combat for half an hour? No critters around anymore?

@eso_nya

Fixed it for you

Alucu · October 2017

And why not removing the buff when you unequip the set? (Similar to how you lose set bonus when you swap bar). Now I have to rebuild and farm new gear even when I didn't abuse anything

Jake1576 · October 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Should just make CA "when you take damage or apply damage, increase WD/SD by..." now.

Let the decon begin.

Yeah I run a bow gank build it's already hard enough to use the bow cause it's so under powered but I always had clever alchemist to look forward to make up for the lack the bow does before I would hit my target now your forced to confront your target as a stamina nightblade to get your damage increase nightblade are already squishy as it is we don't like to confront anyone nightblades like to burst people down then move to the next

Translation:

Us Stamina Nightblades are cowards who only want fight unsuspecting opponents who we can (hopefully) burst down before they can fight back...

Unsuspecting opponents? In PvP? Leave Cyrodiil and never return.

Lol

Zvorgin · October 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

I think that's the point.

Agreed.

Jake1576 · October 2017

Zvorgin wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

I think that's the point.

Agreed.

Well if it is the point of this change it shouldn't be

Zvorgin · October 2017

Jake1576 wrote: »

Either way if this change goes to live I'll probably take some time off from playing this game I've already put way to much time into this game and they want to continue to screw people over by nerfing this and that even know it doesn't need it it's ridiculous I'll probably either sell my account or take a long break eso is the only game I've played since it came out on ps4 but I'm tired of seeing the direction this game is going in

You realize more people have probably quit the game because of this ridiculous ganking style of play right? Massive AoE burst from stealth that leads to basically instant death for large groups is a terrible mechanic and never should have been in the game. The "direction this game is going" is toward more balance and fair play style and getting rid of the terrible builds that ruin the fun, I mean, sure you enjoy ganking but most people don't like getting insta-nuked with no counter play.

Izaki · October 2017

Its still possible to use clever alch for ganking. Charge up bow heavy attack (or a snipe), let it go, then drink potion and continue your combo. Since those things have slow travel times, you will be put in combat but you will also drink the potion before the thingy hits.