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Clever Alchemist in PTS 3.2.3
skinnycheeks
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From the notes:
Clever Alchemist: This item set’s proc now requires that you are in combat for it to function.
Developer Comments:
This solves the issue where some players would activate their potion with this item set, then completely switch their gear to a new item set while retaining the bonus. We want this item set to be used more strategically in the middle of combat, rather than it only being used to one-shot players from stealth.
This change seems kind of silly in my opinion. Wouldn't a better option just be to not let you change your gear for 15s after drinking a potion? What do ya'll think?
Clever Alchemist: This item set’s proc now requires that you are in combat for it to function.
Developer Comments:
This solves the issue where some players would activate their potion with this item set, then completely switch their gear to a new item set while retaining the bonus. We want this item set to be used more strategically in the middle of combat, rather than it only being used to one-shot players from stealth.
This change seems kind of silly in my opinion. Wouldn't a better option just be to not let you change your gear for 15s after drinking a potion? What do ya'll think?
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭We want this item set to be used more strategically in the middle of combat, rather than it only being used to one-shot players from stealth.
The second part is the second reason why the change
Not that it would not surprise me that it was just easier to make up another reason because they were lazy to change game mechanics. Edited by SodanTok on October 9, 2017 9:52PM4 -
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭In years from now, we'll speak of the time NBs had alchemist, selene and viper to gank with LOL
I have no idea what to think of this change but I thought the set was only ever used by gankers... Did they think this change would mean gankers dont use it anymore and others will...?
Nope its just a useless set now tbh.4 -
skinnycheeks✭✭✭✭✭I've seen this set in a lot of stam dk and stam sorc builds. It definitely doesn't gut the set but it will making it a little annoying not being able to pot up before you charge in.Edited by skinnycheeks on October 9, 2017 9:54PM0
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Good change. It's still a really strong set because you can just backbar it.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭How hard was that to make it so that the buff is gone if aren't wearing the gear?... There was nothing wrong it using it to prebuff yourself before combat (without then swapping it for another set of course).
Don't want it to be used to one-shot players from stealth? well there's that thing called balance....6 -
Tirps✭✭✭✭It is indeed silly but ZoS really hates gankers and that set has always been one of the strongest sets that you can get for ganking build and it was one of those sets that made zerg bombing possible.
Are there other way to implement this horrible nerf that hurts really much existing nb population in Cyrodiil? Nope. Disable bar swapping so you can't use other 5 piece set bonus that is active (the reference in patch notes)? Nope not going to happen, zos developers aren't that stupid so they would disable half of skill slots on max lvl char and it would hurt other classes too.
One potential way would be to reduce the magnitude of 5 item bonus by half or something like that if they really want to get away from persons who might hurt you from stealth. But it is really unlikely that they will revert that change.
Oh well, time retire my nb with 1k hours worth of gameplay time and join into perma block tank meta since they don't hate it that much...
ps. Give me my money back that I used to make my gear legendary after year of using it because of I need to scrap it after 2 weeks since the set will become pure crap for nb.Edited by Tirps on October 9, 2017 10:13PMcp1k+ ( ´•౪•`)1 -
Hurika✭✭✭✭Same thing I posted in the patch notes thread - gankers are the best counter to shield spam and shield stacking when they catch the caster off guard. Can't have those players unhappy.2
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Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭You know what ? Go for it ZOS. This nerf will totally stop me from one shot ganking bro.Edited by Teeba_Shei on October 9, 2017 10:15PM1 -
usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Arguably one of the dumbest nerfs I've seen yet. This dramatically changes how this set works in PVP for those who use it. This set already had trouble competing with 7th/Ravager/Veild Heritance, the only upside being you could control it to pop whenever you want to.0331
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Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In years from now, we'll speak of the time NBs had alchemist, selene and viper to gank with LOL
I have no idea what to think of this change but I thought the set was only ever used by gankers... Did they think this change would mean gankers dont use it anymore and others will...?
Nope its just a useless set now tbh.
Fengrush runs Clever Alchemist on his StamSorc. I've also seen others running it on StamDK. It gives you health which pairs well with heavy armor and allows you to have high burst potential whenever you want it.4 -
Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭If you really wanted to nerf ganking just do it then. Stop trying to nerf item sets people use when they aren't ganking. While you're at it please add more undodgeable abilities so everyone is forced into heavy armor with block.Edited by Teeba_Shei on October 9, 2017 10:21PM3
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You know how to still gank with this nerf?
Just do a light attack with your bow before you use ambush and use the potion when the La hits.
The change affects 1 playstyle that will be viable after the nerf and always will be unless they remove stealth entirely.5 -
usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You know how to still gank with this nerf?
Just do a light attack with your bow before you use ambush and use the potion when the La hits.
The change affects 1 playstyle that will be viable after the nerf and always will be unless they remove stealth entirely.
I've run Clever on Stamplar/Magplar/Stam DK/Magblade/Stamblade.
This change affects them all.0331
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »You know how to still gank with this nerf?
Just do a light attack with your bow before you use ambush and use the potion when the La hits.
The change affects 1 playstyle that will be viable after the nerf and always will be unless they remove stealth entirely.
I've run Clever on Stamplar/Magplar/Stam DK/Magblade/Stamblade.
This change affects them all.
No because they only affect you, when you use the potion before you enter the fight. Just use 1 ranged skill before you pop a potion and everything will be as before.3 -
nCats✭✭✭Alchemist runner here, I use it as devs intend in their natch potes comments.
However, bring it back to what it was. Let bombers do their job.7 -
usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »You know how to still gank with this nerf?
Just do a light attack with your bow before you use ambush and use the potion when the La hits.
The change affects 1 playstyle that will be viable after the nerf and always will be unless they remove stealth entirely.
I've run Clever on Stamplar/Magplar/Stam DK/Magblade/Stamblade.
This change affects them all.
No because they only affect you, when you use the potion before you enter the fight. Just use 1 ranged skill before you pop a potion and everything will be as before.
That's kind of the point.0331
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Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What they're doing is making Clever Alchemist function like the heavy armor sets in the game that give similar high damange buffs like Fury and Seventh Legion. Both of those sets require you to take hits in combat to proc the damage. Clever Alchemist with the change won't require you to be hit but you'll at least need to be in combat.
This is a good change because it along with the nerf to Eye of the Storm will help reduce the Destro Ult spam. It will be harder to get the mass kills when people know you're there before you set off the Destro Ult from Stealth.3 -
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✭Nerf to gankers and bomblades, fine by me.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
Arg | Pc Na | Factionless Mag Warden.3 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Making this set not work while not equipped would totally kill the option to backbar it (this would actually be worth complaing about), just saying.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If it cannot be used for an initial burst, it should at least get a duration increase so it can be used for sustained damage. 15s up to 20s, maybe even 25s, would be fitting IMO. It can only be activated every 45s, so higher uptime would put it more in line with other sets that grant weapon or spell damage (considering that the 2 and 3 piece bonuses are health).
I would definitely not want the bonus removed when the 5 piece is lost. That could be a very slippery slope with other gear sets. Should the effect of a Maelstrom or Master bow go away when switching to dual wield or a 2 hander? Should a Maelstrom destruction staff only provide increased light and heavy attack damage while on that bar? How about Lich set, which is often run on one bar and gives regen after bar swapping. The ability to keep effects from another bar helps build diversity, and allows 11 gear slot builds to compete with dual wield and sword and shield 12 gear slot builds.2 -
Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭There isn't any combat indicator in this game and for that reason only this nerf doesn't make any sense.0
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usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There is literally almost no reason to use this set outside of HA which has the capability to determine the tempo of a fight because heavy armor is balanced. LA/MA clever alchemist that needs to frontload it's damage? GG.0331
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✭✭✭✭This doesn't stop bombing, lmao. It's just to prevent quick switching alchemist for another 5pc after you proc itEdited by Lexxypwns on October 10, 2017 12:21AM3 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This doesn't stop bombing, lmao. It's just to prevent quick switching alchemist for another 5pc after you proc it
How would this change effect that? From what I’m reading you can still quick switch it; you just need to be in combat when you pop the potionhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Jake1576✭✭✭✭✭This change will ruin peoples builds who use clever alchemist to gank with do not allow this change to go to live1
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✭✭✭✭✭Twohothardware wrote: »In years from now, we'll speak of the time NBs had alchemist, selene and viper to gank with LOL
I have no idea what to think of this change but I thought the set was only ever used by gankers... Did they think this change would mean gankers dont use it anymore and others will...?
Nope its just a useless set now tbh.
Fengrush runs Clever Alchemist on his StamSorc. I've also seen others running it on StamDK. It gives you health which pairs well with heavy armor and allows you to have high burst potential whenever you want it.
I use Clever Alchemist with Sword-Singer on my 5 HA/2 MA Stamplar. By NO means a perfect build, but I still have a lot of fun popping a potion just before I nab someone with a particularly nasty Executioner or Onslaught. I use it as the devs intended, but I can see why those who enjoy opening a fight with a lot of burst damage in LA/MA would be unhappy.3 -
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You can't change items while in combat. If you pop the potion out of combat, you waste the potion cooldown without the set proc'ing. If you pop it in combat, you can't change sets before the effect wears off.EU | PC | AD1 -
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Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on October 10, 2017 1:55AMUnyeilding Bias
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭skinnycheeks wrote: »From the notes:
Clever Alchemist: This item set’s proc now requires that you are in combat for it to function.
Developer Comments:
This solves the issue where some players would activate their potion with this item set, then completely switch their gear to a new item set while retaining the bonus. We want this item set to be used more strategically in the middle of combat, rather than it only being used to one-shot players from stealth.
What do ya'll think?
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Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s0
