Uninformed Ideas for DK Ult Changes to follow DPS/Heal/Tank format

Avran_Sylt · October 2017

Looking at the DK, it seems that it has two DPS ultimates, as well as two tanking ultimates, no kind of 'support' based ultimate. so for this idea, I'm taking DK standard, changing it to the support ultimate, having DK's Dragon Leap be more aimed at DPS (and off-tank) with Molten Armor being the Tanking Ultimate. Touching on Leap first as it will eb the less affected.

Dragon Leap:
-Base Skill:
Add: When you land you create a column of fire, dealing [x] Fire damage and leaving a lingering fire-patch for [y] seconds.
(numbers might get tweaked a bit, but split so that this option is viable for either stam or mag)

-Aggressive Leap: (perhaps renamed to something to the likeness of "into the fray"?)
Remove current bonuses (cost reduction and range)
When you land, you gain increased damage dealt based on the number of enemies you hit for [x] seconds (some % per enemy hit, similar to DW Thrive in Chaos) this is doubled against the target you cast this ability at.

-Ferocious Leap:
Column of flame deals more damage, and lingering flame deals more damage over time.
(still has the same shield)

Dragonknight Standard
Base Skill:
Add: Heals Allies for the same amount, and grants them Major Endurance.

Shifting Standard:
Synergy is changed to Rally
Rally: now grants minor expedition to nearby allies and minor protection for the duration of the ultimate.

Standard of Might:
Grants allies within the standard Minor Berserk.

Molten Armor:
-Base Skill:
Remove: AoE DoT
Add: Your Direct Damage attacks place a Flame DoT on the enemy for 10 seconds.
Add: 20% of incoming health damage to nearby allies is redirected towards you.

Magma Shell:
Add: You gain Major Protection for the duration

Corrosive Armor:
Remove: AoE DoT
Add: Your Direct Damage attacks place a Poison DoT on the enemy for 10 seconds.
Add: Your Direct Damage attacks reduce the Physical Resistance of an enemy by [x] for 4 seconds.

This is all just theory, I'd love to hear your ideas.

Alpheu5 · October 2017

+damage done, -damage received, and a healing debuff isn't "support"?

DeadlyRecluse · October 2017

Magma shell is absolutely a support ult, too.

Avran_Sylt · October 2017

Alpheu5 wrote: »

+damage done, -damage received, and a healing debuff isn't "support"?

it is, but the main focus is on the enemy in that scenario, rather than your allies, not that that isn't support, but directly aiding your teammates is more what I consider support.

Alpheu5 · October 2017

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

+damage done, -damage received, and a healing debuff isn't "support"?

it is, but the main focus is on the enemy in that scenario, rather than your allies, not that that isn't support, but directly aiding your teammates is more what I consider support.

Again, +damage done and -damage received... isn't support?

Avran_Sylt · October 2017

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

+damage done, -damage received, and a healing debuff isn't "support"?

it is, but the main focus is on the enemy in that scenario, rather than your allies, not that that isn't support, but directly aiding your teammates is more what I consider support.

Again, +damage done and -damage received... isn't support?

would you say its a healing ult? also, read the damned spoiler. everyone apparently misses that.

dirtykdx · October 2017

TLDR;
Ruin Magma and Corrosive shell, crap on Shifting standard, make Leap only work for magicka

Beings standard of might is one of the highest cost ultimates in the game, on a class that requires using ultimates for sustain, and since morrowind is forced to favor low cost ultimates, keeping standard of might as is, but adding the minor beserk would be acceptable as a reward for the payoff of having to wait that long and heavy attack that much more to be able to cast a skill.

Alpheu5 · October 2017

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

+damage done, -damage received, and a healing debuff isn't "support"?

it is, but the main focus is on the enemy in that scenario, rather than your allies, not that that isn't support, but directly aiding your teammates is more what I consider support.

Again, +damage done and -damage received... isn't support?

would you say its a healing ult? also, read the damned spoiler. everyone apparently misses that.

The spoiler has nothing to do with what I'm referring to. In the first sentence, you say DKs have "no kind of 'support' based ultimate", which I found ridiculous since Standard of Might increases group DPS, increases group survivability, and has a large AOE CC synergy.

Every class has only 1 non-support, both-morphs-benefit-caster-only ultimate. Sorcerers have Overload, Nightblades have Death Stroke, Templars have Sweep, Dragonknights have Leap, and Wardens have the bear. All other ultimates have some sort of synergy or effect that aids a group in some way.

Kilandros · October 2017

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

+damage done, -damage received, and a healing debuff isn't "support"?

it is, but the main focus is on the enemy in that scenario, rather than your allies, not that that isn't support, but directly aiding your teammates is more what I consider support.

Again, +damage done and -damage received... isn't support?

would you say its a healing ult? also, read the damned spoiler. everyone apparently misses that.

The spoiler has nothing to do with what I'm referring to. In the first sentence, you say DKs have "no kind of 'support' based ultimate", which I found ridiculous since Standard of Might increases group DPS, increases group survivability, and has a large AOE CC synergy.

Every class has only 1 non-support, caster-benefits-only ultimate. Sorcerers have Overload, Nightblades have Death Stroke, Templars have Sweep, Dragonknights have Leap, and Wardens have the bear. All other ultimates have some sort of synergy or effect that aids a group in some way.

Standard of Might buffs neither group DPS nor group survivability. Those buffs are exclusive to the caster.

Alpheu5 · October 2017

Kilandros wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

+damage done, -damage received, and a healing debuff isn't "support"?

it is, but the main focus is on the enemy in that scenario, rather than your allies, not that that isn't support, but directly aiding your teammates is more what I consider support.

Again, +damage done and -damage received... isn't support?

would you say its a healing ult? also, read the damned spoiler. everyone apparently misses that.

The spoiler has nothing to do with what I'm referring to. In the first sentence, you say DKs have "no kind of 'support' based ultimate", which I found ridiculous since Standard of Might increases group DPS, increases group survivability, and has a large AOE CC synergy.

Every class has only 1 non-support, caster-benefits-only ultimate. Sorcerers have Overload, Nightblades have Death Stroke, Templars have Sweep, Dragonknights have Leap, and Wardens have the bear. All other ultimates have some sort of synergy or effect that aids a group in some way.

Standard of Might buffs neither group DPS nor group survivability. Those buffs are exclusive to the caster.

Then consider me the epitome of the "uninformed" part of the title. I kowtow to you for pointing out my mistake.

Avran_Sylt · October 2017

@dirtykdx

How is Molten armor ruined? the only thing removed is the AoE DoT which does relatively sub-par damage, and placing the DoT onto your own attacks, allowing you to place it onto far enemies.. The Corrosive morph does the same damned thing, but adds Physical penetration onto the target for your teammates. It then mitigates damage from nearby enemies, meaning it's even greater support.

Leap, yes is experimental. Still thinking about that one.

Shifting standard? I guess it not rooting enemies and replacing the synergy based off your teamates stats with defensive buffs is a bad thing, but my thought is that a tank would have the adds grouped into it anyway.

Unless, does the synergy refresh each time Shifting standard is cast currently?

WatchYourSixx · October 2017

Don't take the only thing that makes my mag DK competitive. SoM is Love, SoM is life.

Leap is in a good place right now, so is standard. Molten should be needed more, but ZoS doesn't implement many tank scenarios where the tank needs extra mitigation. It's all about warhorns. There is one morph of molten that gives a shield which I would love to see the range increased on that. Nothing about a DK says healer, and I don't think it should.

Pastas · October 2017

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

+damage done, -damage received, and a healing debuff isn't "support"?

it is, but the main focus is on the enemy in that scenario, rather than your allies, not that that isn't support, but directly aiding your teammates is more what I consider support.

Again, +damage done and -damage received... isn't support?

As long as it only afects the caster, no it is not support. IMO support skills are the ones that help the team, not just yourself.

MehrunesFlagon · October 2017

No need to push for them to homogenize classes.

RavenSworn · October 2017

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

No need to push for them to homogenize classes.

Actually it's to homogenize roles, not classes. What they need to do though is to make sure each class tanks differently, heals differently, mag and Stam wise.

It's basically like how a mag nb differs from a Stam nb, while being similar in modus operandi.

kojou · October 2017

I like the concepts of the DK ultimates as they currently are and I don't thing any of them should be fundamentally changed. There are some fine tuning adjustments that I wish would be made to costs and damage levels, but I would hate it if this was implemented.