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Bring back Doshia in her first incarnation
Cherryblossom
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Has anyone noticed how easy the normal content is, there are no real challenges to force players into getting Good.
So we now have players devoid of any ability, trying to do content that is far beyond their capabilities because through no fault of their own they have never been challenged into doing anything other than spamming a couple of skills.
Once upon a time we had a Boss called Doshia who was a challenge, as there were mechanics involved in defeating her, sadly because it was challenging she was nerfed into the ground.
Edited by Cherryblossom on October 9, 2017 9:46AM So we now have players devoid of any ability, trying to do content that is far beyond their capabilities because through no fault of their own they have never been challenged into doing anything other than spamming a couple of skills.
Once upon a time we had a Boss called Doshia who was a challenge, as there were mechanics involved in defeating her, sadly because it was challenging she was nerfed into the ground.
Bring back Doshia in her first incarnation 209 votes
Bring back Doshia
45%
95 votes
No, I'm special snowflake who wants my hand held and to be told I'm special
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11 votes
You're a noob stop being so condescending
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35 votes
Please ZOS make all main storyline bosses a challenge.
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61 votes
No, because I like it easy.
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7 votes
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Azurya✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I'm special snowflake who wants my hand held and to be told I'm specialI did with most of my chars the hard way, no need to experience that again!9 -
The_Smilemeister✭✭✭✭✭Biased poll is biased. Great job ruining the credibility of your own thread. (Kudos for making fun of special snowflakes though, I can't stand them. lol)17
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Wolfchild07✭✭✭✭✭If they brought her back in her first incarnation, she would still be easy now due to CP's.9
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Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bring back DoshiaWiped 3 times on Doshia in beta. I was so bad it wasn't even funny. In all honesty looking back Doshia was never seriously overpowered in any way... It was more the fact that literally everyone had absolutely no idea on what mechanics were, or how to do them correctly. That being said, she was complained about so much in beta that she was nerfed.Edited by Shadzilla on October 9, 2017 10:17AM11 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Bring back DoshiaDoshia is a pushover now.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 501 -
Sigma957✭✭✭✭✭Bring back DoshiaYes bring her back to the way she was, I think I died about twice to her at level 8 back in the day lol1 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Please ZOS make all main storyline bosses a challenge.I remember Doshia before the nerfs. What a great feeling it was to finally beat her. Now? Not so much. But I guess half of the playerbase would rage quit if the overland and quest content got any harder. They are so used to it being easy now.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.3 -
Shardan4968✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I'm special snowflake who wants my hand held and to be told I'm specialI don't care about Doshia, because I killed her long time ago. But yeah, make main storyline more challenging, but don't turn questing into group content only. Also poll is biased and you should feel bad.PC/EU5 -
Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭OpponentSmile66 wrote: »Biased poll is biased. Great job ruining the credibility of your own thread. (Kudos for making fun of special snowflakes though, I can't stand them. lol)
@OpponentSmile66 you could of choose the 3rd option, it's why I added it.0 -
Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shardan4968 wrote: »I don't care about Doshia, because I killed her long time ago. But yeah, make main storyline more challenging, but don't turn questing into group content only. Also poll is biased and you should feel bad.
@Shardan4968 I do feel bad, which is why I added the 3rd Option for all the special snowflakes.
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✭✭✭✭Please ZOS make all main storyline bosses a challenge.Was a hard choice picking either this or the condescending noob.2 -
KeiruNicrom✭✭✭✭✭Please ZOS make all main storyline bosses a challenge.Make all solo instance bosses more challenging and make it so you can do them in a group with scaling difficulty. I know this is a TES game so we gotta feel like an OP special snowflake but honestly it is an MMO as well, having the option to do things completely solo or while grouped is important.Edited by KeiruNicrom on October 9, 2017 10:35AM0 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭Bring back DoshiaMake Doshia great again!!!!!! Also Molag Bal too, he should be one of the most challenging Overland Boss as the Final Boss yet he can be defeated in a matter of seconds!Edited by BigBadVolk on October 9, 2017 10:39AM"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭BigBadVolk wrote: »Make Doshia great again!!!!!! Also Molag Bal too, he should be one of the most challenging Overland Boss as the Final Boss yet he can be defeated in a matter of seconds!
@BigBadVolk yeah that was one disappointing fight. I couldn't believe how easy he was.
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jimijac0me✭✭✭Bring back DoshiaI remember DC Dosh was hard as at launch, tried kiting it outside then it’d reset lol Learnt ESO on that fight I reckon!Guild Leader Rats of Tobruk (RoT) DC PVP Guild
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✭✭✭✭✭It was only hard because back then we typically fought Doshia at around level 8 and had not learned the mechanics of fighting a Harvester yet.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You're a noob stop being so condescending@cherryblossems, the problem was that those early bosses, particularly Doshia, managed to turn people off from the game, because of the sudden difficulty spike, compounded with the part where they were in forced solo instances. So, no, not a good idea. Not because I can't handle overland content, or because I like an easy experience, but because I'd rather not see the population tanking.6 -
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✭✭No, I'm special snowflake who wants my hand held and to be told I'm specialJust had to vote for this because it's hilarious.Best Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Bring back DoshiaOk, maybe not as 1st incarnation, but please buff bosses outside group dungeons to have at least 100-200k health. Make new people happy that they survived what might seem as an epic fight at that moment, I am sure many would adore a bit of a challenge at the end of a delve/quest etc.
Also, do buff Molag Bal a bit. He can be defeated with mere light attacks, it is very depressing to spend so much time questing just to stomp last boss in that way. I fought mudcrabs more fierce than him.0 -
UnseenCat✭✭✭✭I never had a problem with Doshia in her early incarnation either. But the mechanics weren't obvious to all players, so I understand the frustration.
I do have an issue with the Grand Sermonizer and a couple of other quest bosses, though. They seem to have overly weak normal attacks, but over-buffed AOE attacks that scale to ensure they'll one-shot you regardless of level -- particularly in environments where the environment is congested with obstacles that interfere with dodging. They aren't challenging in their mechanics, just very poorly balanced. I'd rather they had an interesting and complex mechanic to make the battle fun, instead of block, block, dump all possible attacks and then run/dodge and hope.2 -
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✭No, I'm special snowflake who wants my hand held and to be told I'm specialBut seriously, why do people even care about this? If you’ve been here long enough to remember her being difficult, then chances are, you’re good enough to destroy her now regardless. They’re not going to make her difficult enough for you so that new players can’t get past her. Doshia was only ever a challenge for people that were underleveled or didn’t know how to play. Like, at all.0 -
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✭The problem was that she was stopping the main story line from progressing. That was a big problem because the game was still on a subscription model at the time and people might cancel their sub if they felt like this was as far as they could go.
I think they could work some hard mode scrolls in here and there for players that wanted extra challenges and rewards. Same concept as what you have in veteran dungeons.
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✭Bring back DoshiaAlso allow us to play the main story again on vet mode this time. With new rewards
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pdebie64b16_ESO✭✭✭Dosha was hard because nobody could craft proper armor and weapons that time, most people tried her while wearing white maybe a few pieces green non set gear.0
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✭✭✭You're a noob stop being so condescendingI was stuck on Doshia for nearly a month first time. This is my first MMO, and nearly dropped fighters guild questline because stambow DK's didn't have a nice melty AOE like sorcs did. Could I do original Doshia now? Sure. But you're just a condescending elitist areshole who should go play naked.7 -
Ashtaris✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Biased poll is biased and totally worthless. The original problem with Doshia is that she was a very tough boss that you encountered early in the Fighters Guild skill line. Most people were still learning how to play, barely had any decent armor, and then had to defeat that formidable foe. So some like us perservered and got through it, but quite a few others just gave up. What ZOS really needed to do was put Doshia a bit later in the storyline, perhaps nerf her just a bit, and see how things went from there.Edited by Ashtaris on October 9, 2017 3:03PM4 -
Xoelarasizerer✭✭✭You're a noob stop being so condescendingDoshia? The first boss of the first Fighter's Guild quest that turns into a Harvester, Doshia?
I don't recall Sheo's puppy or the Child of Bones as ever being much of a challenge either, nor meant to be as the first bosses. So why would you want to unfairly bump up one them to make them and the experience out of place as a first blood for newbies?
Mayhaps equip less crafted item sets higher than white quality, food and CP when fighting her with your toons if you demand a challenge from your beloved generic Dremora mage #381
(Not that that'll help much, Dremora all suck.)Edited by Xoelarasizerer on October 9, 2017 3:31PM1 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Please ZOS make all main storyline bosses a challenge.BigBadVolk wrote: »Make Doshia great again!!!!!! Also Molag Bal too, he should be one of the most challenging Overland Boss as the Final Boss yet he can be defeated in a matter of seconds!
This^, I just wiped Molag Bal with both my new stam and magic Wardens about 3 months ago. Honestly his adds were tougher then Molag Bal himself was. Remember when fighting past all the other lesser bosses just to get to Molag Bal was a challenge? Now you can grind through Coldharbor in 5 to 6 hours, and that's only if you do all the quests to save all the people. Not that you need anyone anymore. Just free the mages guild and fighter's guild leaders and ignore everyone else, then head straight for the big guy himself."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."2
