maxjapank wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Would I slot it for a duel against a magblade? Absolutely.

That's why it's a fine line with abilities like Eclipse or DK wings before they were nerfed. It's a potential hard counter to ranged builds, and as such should be designed very carefully. Something the developers have not applied reliably in the past.

It's a potential hard counter to ONE single class spec. That's it: staff using magicka nightblade. One. Hardly worth slotting for one spec.

And I must disagree here. sorry. It's been effective against ranged, as it was meant to be. Not only magicka nightlblades, but magicka sorcs, and every stamina that used a bow.

It reflects frags. Wasting a skill slot for frags is ridiculous. Most sorcs use crushing shock/force pulse, which isn't reflectable. And I guess overload? But anyone spamming overload on you with a bubble deserved to die anyways, same as DK wings. You can easily counter frags. For stamina, I can't say in all my time now playing stamina nightblade that eclipse has ever been effective against me or that I've seen it be effective against any decent stamina player. There are still much more valuable skills that can be used in a smaller scale group. ZoS has yet to make eclipse worth it to slot over those other skills, yet they're trying so hard to buff it.

I find it interesting how people seem to "know better" when they are tearing down Eclipse, calling it ridiculous, not worth it, etc. I find it even more interesting to see those same players claiming that there are so many better skills to choose from. I just think...then why don't you use those and let us continue to use Eclipse as is.

Cinbri wrote: »

1. Empowering Sweep - given that resto and snb ults will be nerfed, previous idea of change it major protection sounds too OP now.
But it doesn't change situation when this cheap ult pale in compare to oter cheap ults because of its low offense capability.
So here is another idea without chaning any numbers: make dot to proc every 1 second instead of every 2 seconds.
Given from my tooltip:

it would 2431 damage per second, instead of 4862 per 2 seconds. Damage will remained same, but ult will have a bit higer offensive capability and reliability coz dot will hit more often = it will drain twice more stamina on block against tanks, it will have more chances to hit agile stamina builds, and higher cance to reveal enemies who trying to retreat using Cloak. Damage/healing per every 1 second is what other overtime ultimates doing.
I believe with such change morph will be strong enough for its low cost.

2. Solar Barrage - was hoping that this skill could be replacement of Shards in pvp, but with cast time it just don't work. pbaoe that delayed tick 3 times without cast time would be perfect, however with cast time it too weak, and once again pbaoe with cast time and additional effects (tho current Empower is not one of those strong effects) could be too strong.
So I simply suggest to remove cast time:
1. So morph was made to be function as main skill, but problem is that this morph completely alternating functionality of skill. Dark Flare and Solar Barrage as different as Radiant Aura and Repentance. Both fit completely different roles and for that reason have completely different mechanics. Same goes for cast time for Barrage.
2. As already mentioned example of different functionality is Detonation - one is range reapplayable uncleansable aoe, another is pbaoe. It took quiet some time to remove cast time from Proximity, but this time proved that this cast time was making morph too unviable in compare to another. Axact same situation with Barrage vs Dark Flare: you can recast Flare as long as you want and it apply 5sec undodgeable, unblockable, unabsorbable AoE major debuff. But you can't reapply Barrage coz its time reseting again and again to 2seconds before starting to tick, and it forcing you to risk life in melee. For class with worst in-game mobility those are already most punishing restrictions.
3. As said morph alternating functionality too much. And in this case it pushing skill from supporting single target damage with aoe debuff into category of AoEs. And that category where Barrage with current cast time/no buffs just have no place:
change differentiated it from Impulse, but Templars don't use Impulse, ordinary dps Templar benefit from dual swords and its class AoEs, for that reason new Barrage trying to compete with something that is simply already excluded from Templar arsenal. So Barrage can compete only with another skill - Blazing Spear, and here it completely loosing competition in both pve/pvp scenarios. Both can deal approximetly same damage and proc passives, but while Shards proc 3 passives while Barrage 2. Shards have small delay on impact but in this cost it is large ranged AoE using which doesn't force tempalr to risk life, while Barrage have 3 seconds delay (1cast time+2 till first tick), and forcing to go melee. And despite both can deal almost same damage Shards is winning here again coz ~60% of its damage is dot that is unblockable and for that reason very effective against permablockers. And in addition to already winning everywhere Shards have strongest in-game synnergy of smart resource restore, making it most desirable AoE skill. Barrage is ticking damage and you can use other skills during its duration but exact same and even more you can do with Shards - without cast time you can block casting it, that is very important in pvp for counter-attack, while, as said, majority of damage is dot that is also ticking over time and allow you to use other dps skills. And that where Barrage could win a competition: solo-fights and mobility, situations when you play solo where Shards' insane synnergy doesnt matter or meeting high mobile enemy where Shards' strong(especially after 30% buff to morph) unblockable dot that can proc Burning Light will be uneffective; sadly even here current Barrage is loosing coz it higher chances to land initial hit of Shards and proc Burning Light that hoping that aoe with 3 sec delay will hit enemy who in this time can already deal damage to you and retreat, especially easily by Cloaking away; but without cast time it will become winner at least here for 2 reasons: 1. high mobile/range enemy wont be capable to easily counter your damage by simply moving and it will counter defensive abilities like Cloak 2. was already mentioned in thread, currently nonfunctional Empower will work and synergize with gap-closers, you could cast Barrage and then charge on enemy before 1st tick start procing and deal even more damage coz Empower.
Templar could stack Shards and Barrage but that only would work for bombplars same as for bomblades, that are fun for trolling and that's it. But in serious fight it means that Templar had to choose which skill to unslot and slot Barrage, and honestly I see only 1 skill to replace by it for any of my builds - Shards themselves.

3. Unstable Core - already showed in previous post that its current mechanic simply not working as intended coz break free mechanic, but on other hand making it unblockable feels a bit weird: unblockable aoe that you can spam in cyro on as many enemies as you want. The problem with this morph is almost same as it has with current live version, including disparity of morphs:
ZOS dont want to make you bypass cooldown, but that is what making this morph completely unviable nor in pvp, nor in pve, you restricted morphs feature by another mechanic. Both morphs differentiated to be defensive and offensive, but on live UC feels uncompleted because unlike default skill it lost it main component - CC, even despite its high damage this loss of being CC feels for Templar too obviously, not to mention that that mechanic was forced to extract 1 particular morph from being affected by Enduring Rays. That symbolizing that something is wrong with morph. This problem now fixed by granting it soft CC capability, but in the cost of loosing a lot of damage. It means while other problem was fixed (being CC), another returned - offense capability is neglected, removing morphs diversity once again.
Let me theorycraft even further: each tick of CC is equal to aoe damage of Solar Barrage, but unlike Barrage it is single target damage, i.e. UC proc has same damage as aoe but as everyone knows aoes hits not for high damage, their job is to trade it low damage for being able to deal damage to several targets. With changes to Barrage it even more unfair since first one can tick 3 times of 8m aoe.
UC does have cd restriction: it deal damage only to one target but can proc several times but also have ~7 seconds cooldown unlike other aoes.
Next, is solar bomb - it is deal 50% more damage but it has strong restriction for it - only per 7 in perfect state or per 12 seconds, also fit possibility of proc damage its aoe damage decreased on 10% in compare to live; and in addition to all other Templar class AoEs that are 8m, solar bomb has only 5m aoe. It despite it being attached to enemy and cant be dodged - but exact same mechanic of aoes - they cant be dodged, while Shards majority of damage also cant be blocked, however solar bomb can have even one more counter - it can be easily purged.
UC is not hard CC but unique soft CC, making it a bit weaker than ordinary CCs.
Being included back to Enduring Rays means decrease of its dps for more than 25%.
So as recap:
1.In group fights, even if it 2vX morph stop working completely coz teammates CCs despite it not even being hard CC ability.
2. It stop working completely in pve against bosses and elite mobs.
3. TD lost majority of its offense by removing time bomb from morph but UC lost not just 10% damage of time bomb but also unable to be used as dps skill.
4. Restrictions on damage for damage morph is too punishing, given that it already weaker aoe than others.
5. Total Dark and Unstable Core fit different roles but survivability of TD on such an high level (should also mention that unlike it own and UC damage component that benefit from 5 CPs it has addition healing component that also benefit from 3 CPs) that UC kept is weaker morph as it was always. UC unlike TD don't allow you to survive but now it also not allow you to deal damage.
You don't want us to bypass natural cooldown of morph to play its role, but there is natural cooldown - you cant apply bubble that will proc single target damage on target at any given time, it has 7-12 sec cooldown, and now also morph effect has exact same cooldown. TD don't care about it coz it just "cast and gets your benefit" same as on live, even if it will be broken it filling its role - to defend Templar (even aainst combination of follo-up attack) and thus it have 7 sec cd on its effect; but UC became completely lockdown by cooldown. I just suggest to invert that natural cooldown that we should not bypass:
and to differentiate morphs even larger, same as currently on live by making it work like current live Total Dark - apply time bomb even on immune enemies, would transform it in long-awaited AoE CC. If that too much you can simply add range restriction and cap for 1 target only to balance.
It will unify both roles but in a weaker state:
1. It cost more than any other Templar aoe or weapon skill aoe, availabe to Templar.
2. As CC it wont be hard CC but soft CC that in addition to being able to be CC Break it also be can be purged (tho would be nice if would get Deto threatment - to explode on purge).
3. As AoE damage ability it wouldn't be as hard hitting as others: only 5m blockable AoE.
4. Smallersingle target damage have cooldown per 7-12 seconds. It is that cooldown restriction that we wont be able to bypass.
5. On CC immune enemies it will be just a bomb that hit 10% lower than current live and overall dps of time bombs will be decreased more than 25% than on live coz this -10% in addition to increase texplode cast from 3.5 to 5 sec.

With such change I would gladly traded survivability that TD grant for damage of UC.

@ZOS_Wrobel

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Does this mean you can't use atypical skill and can't have success. Not at all. Maybe it means you're just a good enough player to overcome using a not very good skill. Maybe you are so accustomed to plying in a 4 person group with voice coms that you have such good synergy that you can make excellent use of a niche skill that people playing solo have no way to accomplish. Or maybe you're just luck enough not to play in a zerg happy server where masses of enemies don;t mercilessly chase you down and thus can have a bit more freedom for your ability bars. There are many reasons. Just because you have success using a particular skill does not automatically mean that skill is good and this the reason for you success. Your success is not an automatic endorsement or validation for the skill.

Honestly, this is really a jibe at me and those that have made good use of Total Dark. "Just a good enough player to overcome using a not very good skill..." So basically, I'm a good player. And yet for some reason dumb to be using that skill. I mean....come on...when the attitude on the forums gets like this, what's the point? I guess I'm just getting lucky with the skill.

Minno wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

Healing Ritual i dont know why this ability still the same, it useless an no one use it. A Cast time heal ability... im sure this is the worst skill in game.

Hasty prayer is fun to cast in a Zerg fight. Proc major expedition and run around like a crazy priest lol.

Ashamray wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

Healing Ritual i dont know why this ability still the same, it useless an no one use it. A Cast time heal ability... im sure this is the worst skill in game.

Hasty prayer is fun to cast in a Zerg fight. Proc major expedition and run around like a crazy priest lol.

Before Morrowind I played a bit a healer with 2h \ snb forward momentum + immovable pots with major expedition with this hasty retreat.
No Negate could stop me ;D

But I'm really curious why, repairing Eclipse again and again, they left Healing Ritual aside.

Minno wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Another way to make Barrage more preferable than Shards is obviously... grant it CC capability.
Something like remove cast time, remove Empower, make it proc 2 times instead of 3, but make it stun closest enemy on first tick. Will be obvious dps loss, but as delayed CC with ticking damage will open more diversity possibilities. Not to mention that this is much weaker than Deep Fissure.

And if they have to remove another stun from our kit trip give us solar barrage stun, which should they take it from?

I wouldn't mind jav stun being removed, but it might irk stamplars. But I feel toppling charge is more useful than jav for cc/control; it allows you to get into melee range for jabs whereas jav makes it harder to cc. Even if toppling cc fails because they blocked, you'll be putting pressure in melee. At least toppling charge cc isn't reflective making it more reliable than most people think. It just sucks getting stuck in a random load screen.

Cinbri wrote: »

I also believe it would be fair and lore-wise to reduce minimal range of our gap-closer - Charge. All class charges united by fact that their minimal range is equal to zero. At least making ours for 2.5 instead of 3.5 would make it a much more reliable, as interrupt aoe or as CC, those that templar really need.
Also our charge is unique coz caster jumping on enemy with its spear, not just charging toward, but still we can't do this in melee coz 3.5 is too big range:

Cinbri wrote: »

I also believe it would be fair and lore-wise to reduce minimal range of our gap-closer - Charge. All class charges united by fact that their minimal range is equal to zero. At least making ours for 2.5 instead of 3.5 would make it a much more reliable, as interrupt aoe or as CC, those that templar really need.
Also our charge is unique coz caster jumping on enemy with its spear, not just charging toward, but still we can't do this in melee coz 3.5 is too big range:

Cinbri wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

I also believe it would be fair and lore-wise to reduce minimal range of our gap-closer - Charge. All class charges united by fact that their minimal range is equal to zero. At least making ours for 2.5 instead of 3.5 would make it a much more reliable, as interrupt aoe or as CC, those that templar really need.
Also our charge is unique coz caster jumping on enemy with its spear, not just charging toward, but still we can't do this in melee coz 3.5 is too big range:

Agreed. Our gap closer is very unique but it's stuck because it's minimum range is too long.

Though I would like it to behave like two hander crit rush does. I want to fly up some rocks!!!!

What you mean? As far as I remember to fix stuck by gap-closer they added similar altitude limitation to 2h and Templar, and same pathttracking algorithm that ignore majority of terrain, so we can charge to target even if there is no ground connection, i.e. "flying" between rocks or empty floors or rivers. I kind love to fly between 3rd floors in Arcane University or charge from 1st floor to 3rd and vice versa.