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Grim focus most useless skill?
teladoy
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I'm trying to play with my mageblade trying to use this skill in a similar way as I do with cristal fragments with my sorc, but it is damn difficult to trigger it.
Evasión, roll, hide, flee, etc, etc and etc. In comparison with cristal fragments that u only need to have some luck using any skill, land 5 autoattacks is a HELL.
I really don't know in which situation this skill is practical, but in pvp is waste of slot, even for the 8% more damage, since to use the skill is relatively something secondary expecting to use it.
Do you think it should be reworked?
Edited by teladoy on October 5, 2017 6:59PM Evasión, roll, hide, flee, etc, etc and etc. In comparison with cristal fragments that u only need to have some luck using any skill, land 5 autoattacks is a HELL.
I really don't know in which situation this skill is practical, but in pvp is waste of slot, even for the 8% more damage, since to use the skill is relatively something secondary expecting to use it.
Do you think it should be reworked?
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rhapsodious✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm trying to play with my mageblade trying to use this skill in a similar way as I do with cristal fragments with my sorc, but it is damn difficult to trigger it.
Yeah that's your problem.
It's one of a nightblade's best skills. I can't speak much for PVP, but I understand it's used by particularly skilled players as part of a deadly burst combo. In PVE it's a great source of DPS, and you don't even need someone spamming Combat Prayer!
You're supposed to be weaving with it. Skill, LA, skill, LA, skill, LA, skill, LA, skill, LA, bow, repeat.21 -
Krayzie✭✭✭✭✭I'm a magblade, I've executed 10k+ kills with merciless resolve's assassin's will.
It's the magblades highest damage skill other than ultimates.
This is PVP, and it grants minor beserk, so idk how that's useless
Sounds like you are judging it without actually knowing how to use it lol or what it does and what it can accomplish.
Meteor+fear+assassin's will is an instant KO on most players.
I crit people all day with 13k+Edited by Krayzie on October 5, 2017 7:05PMI'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.7 -
Marabornwingrion✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is one of the best nightblade skills.
You need to do 5 light or heavy attacks to proc it, not use 5 random abilities.
And it's not waste of slot, it's must have for both PvE and PvP.2 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Merciless Resolve is the most important part of the mageblade tool kit for PVP, its not hard to proc at all you just need to understand game mechanics properly.
First off, make sure you're always weaving with your resto on your back bar, those attacks are undodgeable and will help ensure you proc the bow.2 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭I'm a magblade, I've executed 10k+ kills with merciless resolve's assassin's will.
It's the magblades highest DPS skill other than ultimates.
Can you please then share in short words your gear, skill sets and rotation in pvp, because I'm dying to know how many times you can use this skill in real combat time compared to the number of times a sorcerer will shot you with crystal fragments in the same period of time.
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The_Protagonist✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm trying to play with my mageblade trying to use this skill in a similar way as I do with cristal fragments with my sorc, but it is damn difficult to trigger it.
Evasión, roll, hide, flee, etc, etc and etc. In comparison with cristal fragments that u only need to have some luck using any skill, land 5 autoattacks is a HELL.
I really don't know in which situation this skill is practical, but in pvp is waste of slot, even for the 8% more damage, since to use the skill is relatively something secondary expecting to use it.
Do you think it should be reworked?
The only thing wrong that you're doing is trying to play it like a sorc, try to play magblade as a magblade. It is being re-worked, check PTS patch notes 3.2.2, it may go a few more iterations before showing up on live.2 -
Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have it on secondary bar and use frequently just for the 8% more damage, with a few aoe spells and lightning Staff HA.
Usually before I'll be able to use Assassin’s Will my targets are already dead
. Pve, no idea how it works in Pvp. Edited by Gargath on October 5, 2017 7:10PMPC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."0 -
Krayzie✭✭✭✭✭I'm a magblade, I've executed 10k+ kills with merciless resolve's assassin's will.
It's the magblades highest DPS skill other than ultimates.
Can you please then share in short words your gear, skill sets and rotation in pvp, because I'm dying to know how many times you can use this skill in real combat time compared to the number of times a sorcerer will shot you with crystal fragments in the same period of time.
Julianos front+1 shadowrend+1 grothdar+wizards backbar.
getting assassins will up should be priority, then you just work on cc's with crippling grasp and fear till they're low and use it as an execute.
You should also be dodging or blocking sorcs frags....
Run dampen and heal ward also
I also usually fear before assassins will and also I run tri food to be able to dodge roll more with a lot of points in reduced dodge rollEdited by Krayzie on October 5, 2017 7:10PMI'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.2 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭Merciless Resolve is the most important part of the mageblade tool kit for PVP, its not hard to proc at all you just need to understand game mechanics properly.
First off, make sure you're always weaving with your resto on your back bar, those attacks are undodgeable and will help ensure you proc the bow.
You can't be serious... do you think it's logic the need to swap to a resto staff to ensure you don't miss any autoattack to then again have to swap to your destro staff to use the skill? Unacceptable.
Swapping has to be part of a strategy or some kind of game play but not to use a stupid skill.
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Krayzie✭✭✭✭✭It's can actually be EXTREMELY hard to proc assassins will, on Xbox, 70% of the time my light attacks will either be delayed or won't go off at all.
Not to mention if they line of sight merciless won't go off and will un proc assassins will and you have to start over.
I'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.0 -
rhapsodious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Merciless Resolve is the most important part of the mageblade tool kit for PVP, its not hard to proc at all you just need to understand game mechanics properly.
First off, make sure you're always weaving with your resto on your back bar, those attacks are undodgeable and will help ensure you proc the bow.
You can't be serious... do you think it's logic the need to swap to a resto staff to ensure you don't miss any autoattack to then again have to swap to your destro staff to use the skill? Unacceptable.
Swapping has to be part of a strategy or some kind of game play but not to use a stupid skill.
It.. is part of the strategy? You can miss fireballs, so you'd be missing out on both the proc and the LA damage. Plus if you're in trouble you're already on your resto bar which can help you recover.
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Frag is currently easier to proc during a standard rotation and easier to animation cancel, but has far less damage potential than merciless resolve on a proper build.
But you can simply just cast merciless resolve and simply do 5 light attacks from your restoration staff, very easy to do while maintaining important buffs. Once you have merciless procced you have some time to setup your burst combo with a CC, and take advantage of how high merciless hits.
Currently you can't animation cancel grim focus, but next patch you'll be able to block cancel it in the same way as frag. This will make it easier to combo it with an ultimate and the rest of your burst lineup.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Light or heavy attacks don't have to land in order to count for the merciless proc. They just have to be performed against an actual target.
The only issue i sometimes have with proccing merciless is, that weaving funnel health (my main spammable) can bug out, especially if it is a bit laggy, so those light attack simply don't go off. Aside from this it is a quite useful skill for a magblade in PvP.Edited by Rianai on October 5, 2017 7:20PM1 -
Krayzie✭✭✭✭✭Frag is currently easier to proc during a standard rotation and easier to animation cancel, but has far less damage potential than merciless resolve on a proper build.
But you can simply just cast merciless resolve and simply do 5 light attacks from your restoration staff, very easy to do while maintaining important buffs. Once you have merciless procced you have some time to setup your burst combo with a CC, and take advantage of how high merciless hits.
Currently you can't animation cancel grim focus, but next patch you'll be able to block cancel it in the same way as frag. This will make it easier to combo it with an ultimate and the rest of your burst lineup.
WOW really? block casting it will give my sword and board build a huge buffI'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.0 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭rhapsodious wrote: »Merciless Resolve is the most important part of the mageblade tool kit for PVP, its not hard to proc at all you just need to understand game mechanics properly.
First off, make sure you're always weaving with your resto on your back bar, those attacks are undodgeable and will help ensure you proc the bow.
You can't be serious... do you think it's logic the need to swap to a resto staff to ensure you don't miss any autoattack to then again have to swap to your destro staff to use the skill? Unacceptable.
Swapping has to be part of a strategy or some kind of game play but not to use a stupid skill.
It.. is part of the strategy? You can miss fireballs, so you'd be missing out on both the proc and the LA damage. Plus if you're in trouble you're already on your resto bar which can help you recover.
What are you currently running?
I was running Necropotence but then I changed to julianos and Spinners. It is also very hard to resist the burst combo of the adversary while trying to build merciless resolve... something that with my sorcerer is a lot more easy to do with the damage shield they have that is very strong compared to any other shield.
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm a magblade, I've executed 10k+ kills with merciless resolve's assassin's will.
It's the magblades highest DPS skill other than ultimates.
Can you please then share in short words your gear, skill sets and rotation in pvp, because I'm dying to know how many times you can use this skill in real combat time compared to the number of times a sorcerer will shot you with crystal fragments in the same period of time.
I'll block every single frag proc the sorc throws and he'll block maybe 1/5 will procs. Plus, will hits harder with similar stats.
So, a basic PVP setup would be 5 Julianos front bar 5 Wizard's Riposte back bar 2 Valkyn skoria. Destro/Resto
Funnel, impale, flame reach, merciless, cripple, soul tether/harvest/assault
Cloak, path, shadow image, healing ward, siphoning attacks, light's champion
Now, you'll activate merciless, light attack, bar swap, light attack, image, light attack, siphoning, light attack, path, light attack, cloak, bar swap, use bow proc.1 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Grim focus most useless skill?
Um...no, it's the backbone to MagNB single-target burst.Frag is currently easier to proc during a standard rotation and easier to animation cancel, but has far less damage potential than merciless resolve on a proper build.
But you can simply just cast merciless resolve and simply do 5 light attacks from your restoration staff, very easy to do while maintaining important buffs. Once you have merciless procced you have some time to setup your burst combo with a CC, and take advantage of how high merciless hits.
Currently you can't animation cancel grim focus, but next patch you'll be able to block cancel it in the same way as frag. This will make it easier to combo it with an ultimate and the rest of your burst lineup.
WOW really? block casting it will give my sword and board build a huge buff
Yeah, it's in the PTS patch notes;Grim Focus: The Assassin’s Will and Assassin’s Scourge procs from this ability and its morphs no longer have a 100ms cast time, but the speed of the projectile has been reduced by approximately 10%.
Source, CTRL+F, type Grim Focus to find itEdited by Takes-No-Prisoner on October 5, 2017 7:51PM0 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you aren't weaving then yes, it is useless. Regardless it could use some reworkingFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Fischblut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree that it is not reliable proc - it sometimes simply doesn't go off; or when target uses line of sight, spectral bow fires literally into the void (only sound of the shot is heard - no projectile can be seen)
Also I could never use the benefit of getting multiple bow procs from single cast of this buff - even if I fire the shot and still have the buff active, it refreshes it's duration on buff tracker - not showing actual remaining time. I use the buff, fire the bow, buff refreshed and simply disappears because it's actual timer run out (but on my screen I can see it like 16 seconds remaining and suddenly disappear ). I always have to recast it after using the first proc to make sure I can reliably get second proc.
I liked it better when it required 4 attacks to proc, but I still use it now. I was recently leveling Undaunted on magblade purely for pvp, and I didn't change gear for it - 5 Spinners, 5 Vicious Death, Torug's Pact dual swords, MA lightning staff:
42.7k shot using not optimized gear and bad raceEven with damage reduction in PvP - definitely worth slotting. 0 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm trying to play with my mageblade trying to use this skill in a similar way as I do with cristal fragments with my sorc, but it is damn difficult to trigger it.
Evasión, roll, hide, flee, etc, etc and etc. In comparison with cristal fragments that u only need to have some luck using any skill, land 5 autoattacks is a HELL.
I really don't know in which situation this skill is practical, but in pvp is waste of slot, even for the 8% more damage, since to use the skill is relatively something secondary expecting to use it.
Do you think it should be reworked?
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✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »I'm trying to play with my mageblade trying to use this skill in a similar way as I do with cristal fragments with my sorc, but it is damn difficult to trigger it.
Evasión, roll, hide, flee, etc, etc and etc. In comparison with cristal fragments that u only need to have some luck using any skill, land 5 autoattacks is a HELL.
I really don't know in which situation this skill is practical, but in pvp is waste of slot, even for the 8% more damage, since to use the skill is relatively something secondary expecting to use it.
Do you think it should be reworked?
l2weave
Much as I dislike these kind of dismissive responses, you're not wrong.
That said, weaving mechanics could really do with some love, so it's less counterintuitive.2 -
Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It should fire automatically, rather than require 1s of the global cooldown to use. I agree it is a great skill with potential, though. Even better make it a toggle.2 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Doesnt erase the fact that Crystal Fragments > Merciless Resolve...
And also CF is the best direct dmg burst skill in the game!0 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭how would it appear in a death recap?
I don't think I've ever seen: grim focus or assassin's will on a death recap...
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can be any enemy to proc, or, does it need to be a single target?
does it need to be 4 consecutive attacks - if not, does it automatically proc after any combination that includes 4 light/heavy attacks within a 20 second timeframe?Edited by geonsocal on October 5, 2017 10:20PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I love the skill, its a bit clunky to use, specially now that it requires 5 light atks to procc the bow, but from next patch on they remove the 0.1 second cast time, wich will help tremendously with its effectiveness.
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PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭how would it appear in a death recap?
I don't think I've ever seen: grim focus or assassin's will on a death recap...
edit: reading the skill -
can be any enemy to proc, or, does it need to be a single target?
does it need to be 4 consecutive attacks - if not, does it automatically proc after any combination that includes 4 light/heavy attacks within a 20 second timeframe?
You have 20 seconds to use the skill. You used to have to recast the buff after you use the assasin't will proc, now you can use it as many times as you can get in 5 light attacks. They don't have to be consecutive either.
If you're on PC, I'd recommend using an addon called Action Duration Reminder. It also tracks how many "stacks" you have.
Edited by PlagueSD on October 5, 2017 10:34PM2 -
MakoFore✭✭✭✭✭
✭yeah if u can't weave or ur lag is too bad, its hard to use. but if u wanna magblade, u gotta assassins will1 -
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Useless? It's your third ultimate practically
So many people fail at magblade because they to play it sorc0
