I suppose this makes sense. I didn't consider the warden skills in original comparison. Though most of us didn't.
At last I do bring up an interesting point, these skills seem to scale differently. While still being naked yet having food (poor guy) and mage mundus stone at lvl 50 with no attribute points applied nor champion points . Things look a bit differently under the same variables
P.S I have or had champions leveled templar, warden and sorrecer healer. Like I said from experience things don't match up like people thought did. There's many variables, from application, passive even the control environment like I did. Though I suppose either way I can go head and change my statement to this "though twilight "might" die it's most reliable in chaotic situations considering numbers, casting time (it's not hol) and targeting system.
Please go ahead, because I wasn't saying this completely on personal bias. I had a max champion templar, while I currently have 160 sorcerer and warden, things seem a bit differently from experience. For instance after updating my build, my twilight heals for 10k (on pst) and I don't have have magicka race passives while my templar and warden do. Certainly, I do admit I could of missed something, but as it stands things are a bit different from what was common perception.
paulsimonps wrote: »Please go ahead, because I wasn't saying this [iqcompletely [/i]on personal bias. I had a max champion templar, while I currently have 160 sorcerer and warden, things seem a bit differently from experience. For instance after updating my build, my twilight heals for 10k (on pst) and I don't have have magicka race passives while my templar and warden do. Certainly, I do lladmit I could of missed something, but las it stands things are a bit different from what was common perception.
OK this is the build I made on all 3 classes.
Spell Power Cure+Worm+Master Resotration Staff. All gold gear except Jewelry which was purple. All divines, weapon was Powered. Glyphs were all max magicka and jewlery was magicka recovery. Mundus was Ritual. Food was Max HP+Max Mag. 100p into Blessed and 100p into Elfborn and 30p into something unrelated. Race was Argonian. With all possible gameplay changing passives enabled. This was with only the one skill tested on the bar. And no potions or skill buffs. This is close to how I would set up a healer. I know many will do different but that doesn't really matter for the test.
- Sorcerer:
- Matriarch 10739
- Warden:
- Enchanted Growth 8541
- Budding Seed 12812
- Bursting Vines 11412
- Templar:
- Breath of Life 12095/6048
- Hasty Prayer 12453
Strongest Burst Heal in the GameLightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »So healing numbers are pointless and you have to look at HOW those numbers are apply to your subject and it is pretty clear the matriarch is the best pure beurst heal in the game for the reasons I stated and many others have.
Strongest means highest numbers. Unless you want to change the meaning of the term, then I shall not argue. But if we are talking numbers then yes, Sorc pet heal is nowhere near the strongest heal in the game. And I gave examples.
TBF the strongest single target heal in raw numbers is probobly Healthy Offering on the Nightblade.....When I was running a NB healer that thing was well over 10K and I actually got higher numbers than I get out of my templar. That said the templar feels alot less stressful but I have more experience now too.
I have healed on Nightblade, Templar, Dragonknight, and now I am bringing up a Sorc.....I level all my magicka toons as healers so I can get into dungeons etc.
Honestly the game is pretty good at giving one skill that does something similar when your on a different class (efficient purge vs ritual etc).
BOL is not that different than the matriarch or healthy offering........the ONE SKILL I think is grossly unmatched is Practiced Incantation. That is basically the equivalent of an Earthgore proc.
Strongest Burst Heal in the GameLightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »So healing numbers are pointless and you have to look at HOW those numbers are apply to your subject and it is pretty clear the matriarch is the best pure beurst heal in the game for the reasons I stated and many others have.
Strongest means highest numbers. Unless you want to change the meaning of the term, then I shall not argue. But if we are talking numbers then yes, Sorc pet heal is nowhere near the strongest heal in the game. And I gave examples.
You have no clue what youre talking about.
And you are flat out wrong. I have run every type of tank possible. The heals from sorcery are by far the strongest in the game. Sorcery Magika Tank with pet.
Hardest hitting heal in game.
Hands Down!
DocFrost72 wrote: »Strongest Burst Heal in the GameLightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »So healing numbers are pointless and you have to look at HOW those numbers are apply to your subject and it is pretty clear the matriarch is the best pure beurst heal in the game for the reasons I stated and many others have.
Strongest means highest numbers. Unless you want to change the meaning of the term, then I shall not argue. But if we are talking numbers then yes, Sorc pet heal is nowhere near the strongest heal in the game. And I gave examples.
You have no clue what youre talking about.
And you are flat out wrong. I have run every type of tank possible. The heals from sorcery are by far the strongest in the game. Sorcery Magika Tank with pet.
Hardest hitting heal in game.
Hands Down!
Besides necroing, the hardest hitting heal in the game bar none is reaper's mark. Ever got 67k crits off the clanfear?
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Strongest Burst Heal in the GameLightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »So healing numbers are pointless and you have to look at HOW those numbers are apply to your subject and it is pretty clear the matriarch is the best pure beurst heal in the game for the reasons I stated and many others have.
Strongest means highest numbers. Unless you want to change the meaning of the term, then I shall not argue. But if we are talking numbers then yes, Sorc pet heal is nowhere near the strongest heal in the game. And I gave examples.
You have no clue what youre talking about.
And you are flat out wrong. I have run every type of tank possible. The heals from sorcery are by far the strongest in the game. Sorcery Magika Tank with pet.
Hardest hitting heal in game.
Hands Down!
Besides necroing, the hardest hitting heal in the game bar none is reaper's mark. Ever got 67k crits off the clanfear?
you need to have something die with reaper's mark, hardly reliable. also, with burning embers on my mag dk, i have had that heal me for 110k. but i would not put that in the same category as any of the heals that are being discussed.
DocFrost72 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Strongest Burst Heal in the GameLightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »So healing numbers are pointless and you have to look at HOW those numbers are apply to your subject and it is pretty clear the matriarch is the best pure beurst heal in the game for the reasons I stated and many others have.
Strongest means highest numbers. Unless you want to change the meaning of the term, then I shall not argue. But if we are talking numbers then yes, Sorc pet heal is nowhere near the strongest heal in the game. And I gave examples.
You have no clue what youre talking about.
And you are flat out wrong. I have run every type of tank possible. The heals from sorcery are by far the strongest in the game. Sorcery Magika Tank with pet.
Hardest hitting heal in game.
Hands Down!
Besides necroing, the hardest hitting heal in the game bar none is reaper's mark. Ever got 67k crits off the clanfear?
you need to have something die with reaper's mark, hardly reliable. also, with burning embers on my mag dk, i have had that heal me for 110k. but i would not put that in the same category as any of the heals that are being discussed.
Fun fact, the original claim was *healer abilities* that targeted others, not all heals. Reaper's mark is the single largest heal in the game, withoutMolag BalShenanigans. If that poster wanted to change the rules, they open themself up to that counter.
Narvuntien wrote: »So the only class I haven't played is Sorcerer and the only role I haven't played is Healer (I was going to make a tank healer but they ended up more tank).
Do Sorc healers work?
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Strongest Burst Heal in the GameLightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »So healing numbers are pointless and you have to look at HOW those numbers are apply to your subject and it is pretty clear the matriarch is the best pure beurst heal in the game for the reasons I stated and many others have.
Strongest means highest numbers. Unless you want to change the meaning of the term, then I shall not argue. But if we are talking numbers then yes, Sorc pet heal is nowhere near the strongest heal in the game. And I gave examples.
You have no clue what youre talking about.
And you are flat out wrong. I have run every type of tank possible. The heals from sorcery are by far the strongest in the game. Sorcery Magika Tank with pet.
Hardest hitting heal in game.
Hands Down!
Besides necroing, the hardest hitting heal in the game bar none is reaper's mark. Ever got 67k crits off the clanfear?
you need to have something die with reaper's mark, hardly reliable. also, with burning embers on my mag dk, i have had that heal me for 110k. but i would not put that in the same category as any of the heals that are being discussed.
Fun fact, the original claim was *healer abilities* that targeted others, not all heals. Reaper's mark is the single largest heal in the game, withoutMolag BalShenanigans. If that poster wanted to change the rules, they open themself up to that counter.
here, let me quote the op for you-Narvuntien wrote: »So the only class I haven't played is Sorcerer and the only role I haven't played is Healer (I was going to make a tank healer but they ended up more tank).
Do Sorc healers work?
he is asking if sorc healers work. healers are for healing *other* people. sure they heal themselves, but that is mostly incidental. reapers mark has exactly zero place on a healers bar. it is a self heal.
i also gave you an instance of a heal that is bigger then Reaper's mark, mag dks Burning embers, which i have for a fact seen heal me on my mag dk dps for 110k. you repeating yourself does not make you anymore correct.