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Things are getting scary.

  • RoyalPink06
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    SoLooney wrote: »
    d2 really made things bad for end game raiders like me. getting a solid core 12 people to run vmol vhof is painful enough, then they all move on and replacing experienced ppl is a hassle.

    not only that, lag is so painful, rubber banding, horrible frames and by that time mechanics killed you. not really fun anymore, cant really say for pvp. all i know is, i will not do bg anymore if cp is a thing

    Yeah, people in my trials guild were starting to burn out from running the same content over and over and over, and Destiny 2 came at exactly the right time to take them away from ESO for awhile. I totally get it, but when half your progression group goes MIA, the thought of starting over again with new people is disheartening . I hope things pick up again with Clockwork City.
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  • Dreepa
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    They stick to their weird clickfest combat system.. without cooldown.... and they try to make it work... for YEARS now...

    I have lost hope that they will realize that there combat system is flawed by CONCEPT.
  • inf.toniceb17_ESO
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    Dreepa wrote: »
    They stick to their weird clickfest combat system.. without cooldown.... and they try to make it work... for YEARS now...

    I have lost hope that they will realize that there combat system is flawed by CONCEPT.

    I have to agree here. Honestly, I don't think they ever had any combat system concept. From day one it felt like they just threw some things that worked in previous TES games together w/o much thought. Until AC was discovered there was no purpose in light and heavy attacks at all. Then they were used to cancel skill animation, then ZOS realized they need some sort of mechanic and reversed it so skills would cancel LA and HA animation instead. That fact alone means that they had no idea how combat would work. And i don't even mention things like haste and weighted...
  • bebynnag
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    Define "scary"

    Would a 'Your Mom' joke be funny or inappropriate?
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    Be?
  • Miswar
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    Only thing they care nowadays are their crown boxes and costumes.

    Rest.. well expect nothing from ZoS. When was the last time they actually commented nor fixed anything regarding PvP? It has been a longtime and silence is the only answer you shall get.

    There are PvE bugs floating these forums for months as well and they simply get ignored.

    My guilds have lost 50-60% of their active players in recent weeks. This is the first time I have seen anything like it in 2 years of gaming time.

    Bulk of the remaining players are not happy campers either with few exceptions.

    I actually expect number of players drop even further in forthcoming weeks and ZoS can only blame themselves.

    Personally still playing but less and less. Not really bothered and shall see how long will play this.

  • billp_ESO
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    I think they succeeded brilliantly with ESO. So many Morrowind/Skyrim players moaned "if only I could play with a friend".

    The game is great at this now. Just play it like a single player game with a friend or two and it can be blast.

    The problem is, they had no idea how to make an MMO. No ElderScrolls games had PvP, or raids, or public dungeons, or an auction house, or balance. Nobody really cared that one build wasn't as good as another, since you can only play one at a time anyway. Sure, some could be a lot stronger than others, but so what? You're the only player in the game anyway.

    The minute they tried to make a multi-player competitive game, they lost their way.

  • idk
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    PvPers are getting bored with the game. Fighting Tanky zergs on the way to tear down and rebuild the same keeps over and over again for two years. It's just not fun for them any more.

    PvEers are quitting. The sustain nerfs from morrowind have forced people to wear gear and play a style they never really wanted to play. So they don't. It's just not fun anymore.

    Then the people like me that are left are struggling to put a group togeather to do anything because the first two left. So we're running pug groups just for something to do. Thats fine for here and there, but when it's all I do it gets boring too. So I end up shutting off the game earlier and earlier every day. Because it's just not fun anymore.

    Like I said, things are getting scary

    Those that left due to the sustain nerfs have already left. It has been almost 6 months.

    Beyond that it is easy to say players are leaving, but players leave MMOs constantly from the first month they are released and new players come into the fold. It is a constant process and yes, that process gradually reduces the total number of players over time from day one.

    However, the game still has a solid player base in PvE and PvP. One has to remember in PvP that Zos has, for some odd reason, kept open those campaigns from the PvP event and we also have BGs which is taking some of the players out of Cyrodiil.

    PvE is still solid. Also, Cyrodiil has been open for business for almost 3.5 years.

    What is probably more annoying to players is the constant re-gearing every 3 months due to the heavy handed changes Zos makes with each update and the rough RNG with farming that gear. At least half of that will be improved in the next few weeks with re-traiting, though Zos has yet to learn how to manage the game overall.
    Edited by idk on October 1, 2017 3:44PM
    Really, idk
  • Dragath
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    Dreepa wrote: »
    They stick to their weird clickfest combat system.. without cooldown.... and they try to make it work... for YEARS now...

    I have lost hope that they will realize that there combat system is flawed by CONCEPT.

    they know this.
    the whole system is only in place because at first, eso was build as a wow clone with auto attacks and all that stuff.
    they had to change the whole system mid-development and it didnt go well. they cant fix it.
  • Mickydanz
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    Please make Pvp have better rewards, its the only thing I do. And all I get is rewards of the "***" - change the entire emperor system and fix the existing bugs. Give me a carrot to chase that isn't just grinding AP its getting old fast.
    Cropsford Mayor
  • Eyesinthedrk
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    I don't agree with that at all. The game is great. Glitches and bugs sure, not even a question there. But, he things that are ruining it for most are changes that were made for reasons no player really understands or wanted.

    If it was a bad game none of us would have been playing for years. It wasn't till they made it a bad game.

  • Noisivid
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    "First, we’ve seen some of you mention that Petrify is more appealing than Stonefist since it’s more reliable. To help address this, we’ll be decreasing the melee range for Petrify so it covers a slightly smaller area – this will also make it slightly harder to apply to the enemy to make up for the increased power level of Petrify."

    This is from Wrobels post in the PTS Dragonknight Feedback thread. Basically people use Petrify over Stonefist "because it's more reliable" so they're going to nerf Petrify. Nothing to do with Petrify itself, it's not that Petrify is overperforming.

    I don't think the combat dev team has any overall concept for combat in ESO. So we get changes like this and the bad decisions compound.

    edited for spelling
    Edited by Noisivid on October 1, 2017 5:50PM
  • Getern
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    I don't know how much impact it had for real. But everything started to going into wrong direction after Paul Sage left Zeni.

    Coincidence?
    Noisivid wrote: »
    "First, we’ve seen some of you mention that Petrify is more appealing than Stonefist since it’s more reliable. To help address this, we’ll be decreasing the melee range for Petrify so it covers a slightly smaller area – this will also make it slightly harder to apply to the enemy to make up for the increased power level of Petrify."

    This is from Wrobels post in the PTS Dragonknight Feedback thread. Basically people use Petrify over Stonefist "because it's more reliable" so they're going to nerf Petrify. Nothing to do with Petrify itself, it's not that Petrify is overperforming.

    I don't thing the combat dev team has any overall concept for combat in ESO. So we get changes like this and the bad decisions compound.

    This is nothing new, it was already known since 1,5 years now. There is not a single person from Zenimax playing their game.
  • Eyesinthedrk
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    idk wrote: »

    Those that left due to the sustain nerfs have already left. It has been almost 6 months.

    Beyond that it is easy to say players are leaving, but players leave MMOs constantly from the first month they are released and new players come into the fold. It is a constant process and yes, that process gradually reduces the total number of players over time from day one.

    However, the game still has a solid player base in PvE and PvP. One has to remember in PvP that Zos has, for some odd reason, kept open those campaigns from the PvP event and we also have BGs which is taking some of the players out of Cyrodiil.

    PvE is still solid. Also, Cyrodiil has been open for business for almost 3.5 years.

    What is probably more annoying to players is the constant re-gearing every 3 months due to the heavy handed changes Zos makes with each update and the rough RNG with farming that gear. At least half of that will be improved in the next few weeks with re-traiting, though Zos has yet to learn how to manage the game overall.

    I'm not telling you why I "think" they're leaving. I'm telling you the reasons they "said" they're leaving. As boring as grinding is, it isn't the reason any of them gave.
    Edited by Eyesinthedrk on October 1, 2017 5:04PM
  • thedude33
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    Jhalin wrote: »
    It really is a dull game once you reach endgame. PvP has no sense of progression, it's essentially "biggest group wins" and the only really reason to go to Cyro seems to be getting AP for motifs to resell. PvE is alive to an extent, but the drive for vet content seems to have disappeared. Combat was fun before Morrowind, now it's all micromanaging and giving yourself carpal tunnel practicing rotations if you want to have a snowball's chance in hell of completing vet trials.

    New players still have the new-game hype in their system. There's story content left to do, new places to go, but veteran players don't have that outside of the few hours of new we get from DLCs. Beyond that, it's just an endless grind that goes nowhere.

    lol welcome to MMOs. These games are a hobby. A time waster that lets you escape RL for a little while.

    Goes nowhere? Where do you expect it to go?

    1v1 Win/Loss Record in PvP.
    1 Wins - 392 Losses (guy was AFK)

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