sounds like a l2p issue for me
Light has shield, heavy face tanks damage, and medium has dodge roll.
I feel squishy in medium but because damage is so high I can keep enough pressure on most enemies to keep them healing or shielding and not damaging me.
The only problem players are the super tank ones who no matter how much i cc and damage, I don't touch their health, and then get burst down from a take flight or something.
lot of people other than NBs use medium armor.
But its a harder playstyle. Rare to see in weaker players. BUt many of the strongest stam players in the warden, DK, sorc, and templar segments are wearing medium armor.
lot of people other than NBs use medium armor.
But its a harder playstyle. Rare to see in weaker players. BUt many of the strongest stam players in the warden, DK, sorc, and templar segments are wearing medium armor.
Light has shield, heavy face tanks damage, and medium has dodge roll.
I feel squishy in medium but because damage is so high I can keep enough pressure on most enemies to keep them healing or shielding and not damaging me.
The only problem players are the super tank ones who no matter how much i cc and damage, I don't touch their health, and then get burst down from a take flight or something.
If I had to guess I would say ZOS knows that medium is too weak. The problem is that it works perfectly well for stamblade and even the gentlest buff could push stamblade over the top while still not bringing it up to par for the rest.
TL;DR - stamblades are (have always been) the reason we can't have nice things
If I had to guess I would say ZOS knows that medium is too weak. The problem is that it works perfectly well for stamblade and even the gentlest buff could push stamblade over the top while still not bringing it up to par for the rest.
TL;DR - stamblades are (have always been) the reason we can't have nice things
See, I really don't get this argument at all. Medium armor is just as garbage on stamblade as it is on other classes, this is why you see most of the good NB players in heavy armor these days.
All it takes is one player who knows how to prevent you from cloaking (volatile armor spam, sweeps, caltrops, piercing mark etc etc) and you're just like other stam builds, except with no Major Mending or Ritual to get rid of DoTs/Curse/Purifying Light etc - and all it takes is one properly comboed Soul Assault to kill a medium stamblade.
If I had to guess I would say ZOS knows that medium is too weak. The problem is that it works perfectly well for stamblade and even the gentlest buff could push stamblade over the top while still not bringing it up to par for the rest.
TL;DR - stamblades are (have always been) the reason we can't have nice things
See, I really don't get this argument at all. Medium armor is just as garbage on stamblade as it is on other classes, this is why you see most of the good NB players in heavy armor these days.
All it takes is one player who knows how to prevent you from cloaking (volatile armor spam, sweeps, caltrops, piercing mark etc etc) and you're just like other stam builds, except with no Major Mending or Ritual to get rid of DoTs/Curse/Purifying Light etc - and all it takes is one properly comboed Soul Assault to kill a medium stamblade.
Ok in fairness, when Cloak fails or is countered you're probably going to get rekt. However, when Cloak works (which is the vast majority of times), stamblade is nearly god mode.
Nobody uses it outside nbs, who does it dies with ease, let's be serious about it
I agree with OP. You can really only pull off medium as a nightblade or in no cp. The only real benefit it has over heavy armor is the better sustain which really isnt that much considering most of it is expended on dodge rolls. Sure dodge roll gives 100% damage immunity against most attacks but all it takes is one well timed stun or a fast and strong skill to put a medium user on the defensive (assuming they survived the burst.) I honestly think that medium is considered weak because of how strong heavy is. Maybe wrath should be changed to help balance things out a bit.
If I had to guess I would say ZOS knows that medium is too weak. The problem is that it works perfectly well for stamblade and even the gentlest buff could push stamblade over the top while still not bringing it up to par for the rest.
TL;DR - stamblades are (have always been) the reason we can't have nice things
DeadlyRecluse wrote: »I think part of the problem is a lack of really phenomenal 5piece bonuses in medium at the moment. 5 light can pick up tankiness from transmutation or wizards, 5 heavy can pick up really efficient damage via fury, ravager, 7th legion, etc.
What 2 medium armor sets are so good I would commit to combining them? Bone pirate is great, but I'd rather run that as jewelry and stick with 5 heavy.
You can achieve the same regen, Stam and weapon damage in heavy as medium if you use certain set combinations.
You get a lot more health, resistances and healing in heavy.
Medium gives you cheaper roll dodge and some reduced cost. You don't have to avoid damage as much in heavy plus heavy attacking and constitution somewhat make up for the reduced cost.
The only thing medium offers really is crit. While important, it's not the be all end all stat in PvP as players wear impen (and flat healing increase in heavy probably outweighs increased chance of crit heals in medium). Plus sets like ravager and 7th legion give you crit as well as being able to use crit pots.
Heavy is a no brainer, which is an issue. Stam NB is the only class that can reliably use medium. A problem lies here - how do you buff medium without it making Stam NB stronger? Stam NBs are already very very strong.
My medium armor Nightblade hasn't had any cloak skills on her bars in the last 3 years.It needs a buff, people aren't all cloaky NBs, even if the 74% of eso population is.
Before you start with the crying. I play a Magicka templar. So i'm no bias in this
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »even a medium armor NB can be some what tough. I'm not talking "o I'll stand there and eat damage while laughing" but done correctly you can get a good amount of mitigation without really sacrificing much damage or sustain. You just don't get the extra healing heavy armor provides. However stacking some crit and crit damage you end up with the good heals, especially from cloak, and using certain skills and sets goes a long way. An extra 10-16% mitigation is not to be laughed at (compared to your average medium armor NB rocking 16 to 19k resistances). It's not heavy armor equivalent but it helps lol.
Now obviously what I'm about to say is when things go well and under great conditions. Using LoS , shadow image, cloak and other techniques, in 5 seconds I can heal from damn near death to full HP. We all know over 5 seconds is not as good as a burst heal, but that 5 seconds is still pretty damn quick lol.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »even a medium armor NB can be some what tough. I'm not talking "o I'll stand there and eat damage while laughing" but done correctly you can get a good amount of mitigation without really sacrificing much damage or sustain. You just don't get the extra healing heavy armor provides. However stacking some crit and crit damage you end up with the good heals, especially from cloak, and using certain skills and sets goes a long way. An extra 10-16% mitigation is not to be laughed at (compared to your average medium armor NB rocking 16 to 19k resistances). It's not heavy armor equivalent but it helps lol.
Now obviously what I'm about to say is when things go well and under great conditions. Using LoS , shadow image, cloak and other techniques, in 5 seconds I can heal from damn near death to full HP. We all know over 5 seconds is not as good as a burst heal, but that 5 seconds is still pretty damn quick lol.
Yeah, you can run defensive sets just to get equal mitigation with heavy - but you're giving up tons of dmg/healing for it and fall far behind heavy armor that runs offensive sets in that regard.
Also, just fyi cloak doesn't affect healing at all anymore - Shadowy Disguise crit buff gets consumed by the first DoT tick on target (so no crit heals or even crit dmg out of cloak). More on that here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/367271/dot-ticks-ruin-shadowy-disguise#latest