WoW made me appreciate ESO

Betsararie · September 2017

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Eh, you can't really play this game for free either.

Game is unplayable without the craft bag.

I mean you can play, but it's just trash. His comparison was actually pretty legit and one of the things I miss most about WoW, actually.

I can't say I agree with that. You can get a whole lot of bag and bank space by using gold. Between mount upgrades, bag upgrades, and bank upgrades, that's a lot of room for crafting reagents (assuming you're not filling your space up with random junk you never use).

You can make it work without the craft bag technically speaking, but the game would be so bad at that point it wouldn't be worth playing.

I wouldn't be here without the craft bag, that is for sure.

Flynch · September 2017

Blanco wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Eh, you can't really play this game for free either.

Game is unplayable without the craft bag.

I mean you can play, but it's just trash. His comparison was actually pretty legit and one of the things I miss most about WoW, actually.

I can't say I agree with that. You can get a whole lot of bag and bank space by using gold. Between mount upgrades, bag upgrades, and bank upgrades, that's a lot of room for crafting reagents (assuming you're not filling your space up with random junk you never use).

You can make it work without the craft bag technically speaking, but the game would be so bad at that point it wouldn't be worth playing.

I wouldn't be here without the craft bag, that is for sure.

Devil's advocate mode:

Were you here before the subbers' craft bags? It was still playable, just an even keel across the player-base. I'm pretty sure there are an abundance of players who aren't subbing that are having a good time.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · September 2017

Juju_beans wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Crafting bag... I guess if WoW limited the space you could have in bags and storage and loaded crafting down with masses of useless crap as badly as eso did. So bad you felt you had had to have the extra space of a paid bag. Then yes, this would be a good point.

I did all the professions in wow. I had 2 bank alts with full bags/bank slots to hold the various mats.
Legion did a major prune to professions for both variety and mats with nothing being viable once you reach max level.

Oh my goodness I forgot the bank Alts. It has honestly been sometime since I played WoW. I just thought the list seemed a little biased from what I remember. Of course since I don't pay for the sub on eso I am still stuck with bank Alts. On the good side I have addons to help me. I couldn't imagine it on console. Poor souls.

zaria · September 2017

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

And not only World of Warcraft. I tried Guild Wars II a while back and Just Absolutely hated it. Basic controls sucked, the so-called "personalizations" amounted to noting at all, didn't even care for the "look" of the thing. So yeah, they have airships and would I love airships in ESO? Yes I would. But the fact that it isn't going to happen doesn't make me appreciate ESO any less as the far superior game.

As I'm a Mac user, my options are more limited than PC users... but I deeply suspect I'm not missing much, especially when I peek at videos for things like The Secret World, and see up front so how very blah they are.

Mac support is probably an bonus from console version, they had to make the game multi platform so it was not much extra work to add another platform, it also let them practice multi platform before consoles was released, think normal dungeon

WOW is very different in controls. moving with mouse click let you chat while moving and that was nice in dungeons.

Betsararie · September 2017

Flynch wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Eh, you can't really play this game for free either.

Game is unplayable without the craft bag.

I mean you can play, but it's just trash. His comparison was actually pretty legit and one of the things I miss most about WoW, actually.

I can't say I agree with that. You can get a whole lot of bag and bank space by using gold. Between mount upgrades, bag upgrades, and bank upgrades, that's a lot of room for crafting reagents (assuming you're not filling your space up with random junk you never use).

You can make it work without the craft bag technically speaking, but the game would be so bad at that point it wouldn't be worth playing.

I wouldn't be here without the craft bag, that is for sure.

Devil's advocate mode:

Were you here before the subbers' craft bags? It was still playable, just an even keel across the player-base. I'm pretty sure there are an abundance of players who aren't subbing that are having a good time.

I've been playing for a solid year (just over a year now), and as far back as I can remember, the craft bag has been available for me when I'd needed it.

I daresay that if you're not subbed, actively involved in obtaining crafting mats, and still say you're having a good time, you may not know what a good time is.

And, that is especially if you haven't tried the craft bag before.

iiYuki · September 2017

Wow went too much into RNG, soft capping and making everything simplified and linear and available to the masses.
Raiding isn't exclusive or difficult in any way and the rewards barely differ as with good RNG rolls you can get a LFG "tourist mode" raid item to drop at normal level and on occasion Heroic or even mythic levels, completing World Quests drops better than raid level gear, literally killing 10 random mobs can drop top ilevel gear.
Everything has been put onto a level playing field where you can invest 6 hours a day or 6 hours a week and end up not being much further in front or behind, it's all about facebook style "mini games", literally log on, send followers on mission, log out, log in on next character, come back the next day and repeat. PvP is about templates now, no matter how powerful you are a op class will just kill you, due to templates you're at the mercy of best classes since a ilvl 800 vs a ilvl 900 is literally no difference in the past the 900 wins and that's it and the way to win was literally get good gear which you earned by playing to get currency to buy PvP gear, that's gone now it's random drop loot boxes that drop green level trash 90% of the time with the wrong stats.
As soon as a method of "farming" comes out that isn't in the narrow linear path it's instantly nerfed, literally hours after its found but exploiters, cheaters, trolls, bugs / glitches and bots spamming chat for days gold selling or material farming go without bans or fixes for weeks.
There is even a running meme with Blizzard referred to as "fun police", since anything enjoyable that isn't on the linear path is nerfed into oblivion, ffs their answer to the Legendary droprate problem was to add more legendaries, not tell people what to play to get the best chance, not buff drop rates... Add more and claim there was "bad luck protection", consider there are still people with no or only one legendary it's obviously not working too well, out of 8 110 characters I had I had 6 legendaries split between 3 characters, every day I did my heroics and every week my raids and mythics and my rewards *** all...

SirAxen · September 2017

thedude33 wrote: »

No game can be everything for everyone. In the near future, when new games come out, you will see posts in their forums talking about how ESO did things ...and how the new game should mimic some of those things.

ESO is an amazing game. The majority of the complaints are about change ( when every single person should understand these types of games HAVE to change) or someone that is burned out because they played the game too much because they liked it too much. So they quit .. which is quite a paradox when you think about it.

Sad fact is, some people can't accept that not everything is for them. It is perfectly acceptable to not enjoy something and be alright with others doing so.

ValkynSketha · September 2017

I feel the opposite with each eso update i was getting tired of what they do and how the content is extremly non-rewarding and what they are doing with the crown store, i left eso 2 weeks ago and now playing wow and man i feel so much better : ).
Don't get me wrong i love eso, i love the combat, the raids the dungeons, but what is the point when the rewards suck, and what should have been a reward in game is sold in the crown store, can't they release just one mount/pet ...etc with each update from the tens they release on crown store?
It is sad that this game is heading with swtor direction.

SirAxen · September 2017

ValkynSketha wrote: »

I feel the opposite with each eso update i was getting tired of what they do and how the content is extremly non-rewarding and what they are doing with the crown store, i left eso 2 weeks ago and now playing wow and man i feel so much better : ).
Don't get me wrong i love eso, i love the combat, the raids the dungeons, but what is the point when the rewards suck, and what should have been a reward in game is sold in the crown store, can't they release just one mount/pet ...etc with each update from the tens they release on crown store?
It is sad that this game is heading with swtor direction.

It's not, though.....

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but once that WoW nostalgia slides back off you'll realize that WoW is literally all of those things you just mentioned disliking. That said, I'd say it's a symptom of the genre itself rather any single game. A lot of people can't admit to themselves they are burned out on MMORPGs in general not just any one game.

ValkynSketha · September 2017

SirAxen wrote: »

ValkynSketha wrote: »

I feel the opposite with each eso update i was getting tired of what they do and how the content is extremly non-rewarding and what they are doing with the crown store, i left eso 2 weeks ago and now playing wow and man i feel so much better : ).
Don't get me wrong i love eso, i love the combat, the raids the dungeons, but what is the point when the rewards suck, and what should have been a reward in game is sold in the crown store, can't they release just one mount/pet ...etc with each update from the tens they release on crown store?
It is sad that this game is heading with swtor direction.

It's not, though.....

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but once that WoW nostalgia slides back off you'll realize that WoW is literally all of those things you just mentioned disliking. That said, I'd say it's a symptom of the genre itself rather any single game. A lot of people can't admit to themselves they are burned out on MMORPGs in general not just any one game.

Don't worry i wont, it is my first time playing wow, it was a tough decision but i am glad i made it, i am having much more fun and paying less, also i am not burned out of mmos i am burned out of the games crown store, it is becoming ridiculous with each update man.

fatmanatcomp · September 2017

I played wow for seven years, ended up burnt out, direction of the game changed too much for me. The first three years though are defo some of the best gaming i have ever had.

I have played ESO for a year now. Some really neat stuff to do, graphics great, but i am starting to have had enough of the all bugs in the game. The pvp CC bug, long load screens, crashes. It is not very good.

The endless changes so you have to farm again just to be back where you started to play the same end game is pointless. Making the game easier though like trait changing, will actually take away a lot of game play, and start sending it down the WOW route.

This game is too hard, nerf everything.......now the game is too easy, no challenge. The problem with us all being human is that we will never ever be completely happy.

Cpt_Teemo · September 2017

50/50, ESO is missing gnomes

Cpt_Teemo · September 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Actually yes you can, ever since the implemented the WoW token you could have bought with in game gold to fund your monthly sub.

Back in April of 2016

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/18390557/wow-token-new-details

Runefang · September 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Actually yes you can, ever since the implemented the WoW token you could have bought with in game gold to fund your monthly sub.

Back in April of 2016

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/18390557/wow-token-new-details

Apples and oranges.

Linaleah · September 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Actually yes you can, ever since the implemented the WoW token you could have bought with in game gold to fund your monthly sub.

Back in April of 2016

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/18390557/wow-token-new-details

you know its semantics. technically it STILL requires subscription. and the reason why there are tokens for you and me to buy is becasue a LOT and I do mean a LOT of players don't actualy have that gold and are willing to pay for it.

if someone wants to play WoW for "free" - they have to farm gold. and given recent spikes in prices of tokens - they have to farm very significant amounts of gold. which means that chances are, its cutting into their actual playtime for a lot of people.

its not "free" you are still paying for it, whether its with time or money.

while in ESO at this point gold is of a lot of use for me, if i stop farming it completely and just focus on gathering and decorating? I will not be adversly affected and I will certainly not lose acess to the game and especially my characters. if I drop my subscription right now for whatever reason? I can keep playing just fine. with WoW? all I will have available to me is creating alts on a server I still have character slots on and getting them to level 20.

there is a word of difference between actualy optional ESO subscription and required/buyable with gold subscription of WoW.

Bhaal5 · September 2017

Atleast the servers are stable and lag is minimal with wow and with gw2 and with most other AAA titled mmo's.
People from OTHER parts of the world play this game also

Linaleah · September 2017

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Atleast the servers are stable and lag is minimal with wow and with gw2 and with most other AAA titled mmo's.
People from OTHER parts of the world play this game also

funny you should say that :P been trying to play GW2 all day today, on and off... keep getting kicked out. known issue apparently, have to give them time to fix it. also, second hand info, since I don't pvp in GW2, but.. apparently according to people who have done pvp in both games the lag there in WvW is worse then lag in Cyrrodil.

don't even get me started on WoW and its bugginess on every patch even after, what.. 12 years?

no game is perfect. no game is perfectly stable 100% of the time. every game has bugs and issues and certain degree of lag. it honestly feels like people who are looking from the outside on those other games, don't see the nitty gritty, only the good stuff and think that its all there is. its like those Instagram accounts of popular people seemingly leading perfect lives and having fun all the time, when reality is their lives are not that different from everyone else's lives, they just don't show the negative or mundane parts to the world

vyndral13preub18_ESO · September 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Atleast the servers are stable and lag is minimal with wow and with gw2 and with most other AAA titled mmo's.
People from OTHER parts of the world play this game also

.. apparently according to people who have done pvp in both games the lag there in WvW is worse then lag in Cyrrodil.

I suppose people's computers make a big difference in pvp performance, but as someone who has pvped in both, I thought the lag in GW2 was the worst I'd ever seen. One of the reasons I left originally. Then I got to Pvp in eso and discovered I was wrong.

But in defense of eso it has been a while since I have seriously done pvp in either so maybe eso is much better now and gw2 had their version of the lighting patch.

srfrogg23 · September 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Eh, you can't really play this game for free either.

Game is unplayable without the craft bag.

I mean you can play, but it's just trash. His comparison was actually pretty legit and one of the things I miss most about WoW, actually.

I can't say I agree with that. You can get a whole lot of bag and bank space by using gold. Between mount upgrades, bag upgrades, and bank upgrades, that's a lot of room for crafting reagents (assuming you're not filling your space up with random junk you never use).

You can make it work without the craft bag technically speaking, but the game would be so bad at that point it wouldn't be worth playing.

I wouldn't be here without the craft bag, that is for sure.

Devil's advocate mode:

Were you here before the subbers' craft bags? It was still playable, just an even keel across the player-base. I'm pretty sure there are an abundance of players who aren't subbing that are having a good time.

Blanco wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Eh, you can't really play this game for free either.

Game is unplayable without the craft bag.

I mean you can play, but it's just trash. His comparison was actually pretty legit and one of the things I miss most about WoW, actually.

I can't say I agree with that. You can get a whole lot of bag and bank space by using gold. Between mount upgrades, bag upgrades, and bank upgrades, that's a lot of room for crafting reagents (assuming you're not filling your space up with random junk you never use).

You can make it work without the craft bag technically speaking, but the game would be so bad at that point it wouldn't be worth playing.

I wouldn't be here without the craft bag, that is for sure.

Devil's advocate mode:

Were you here before the subbers' craft bags? It was still playable, just an even keel across the player-base. I'm pretty sure there are an abundance of players who aren't subbing that are having a good time.

I've been playing for a solid year (just over a year now), and as far back as I can remember, the craft bag has been available for me when I'd needed it.

I daresay that if you're not subbed, actively involved in obtaining crafting mats, and still say you're having a good time, you may not know what a good time is.

And, that is especially if you haven't tried the craft bag before.

I started playing ESO during the open beta, well before the crafting bag became a thing. I'm not currently subscribed, so I don't have the crafting bag. But, I have tons of space for crafting materials.

I just keep buying bag and bank upgrades with the in game gold. I have pretty much all the dlc that I care to have, I just buy it outright on the PC and PS4 (I play on both systems depending on whether or not my wife/kids are using the tv).

I have no problems collecting and hoarding crafting mats without the crafting bag. I'm not inclined to agree that it is a requisite for crafting or "having a good time".

Bhaal5 · September 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Atleast the servers are stable and lag is minimal with wow and with gw2 and with most other AAA titled mmo's.
People from OTHER parts of the world play this game also

funny you should say that :P been trying to play GW2 all day today, on and off... keep getting kicked out. known issue apparently, have to give them time to fix it. also, second hand info, since I don't pvp in GW2, but.. apparently according to people who have done pvp in both games the lag there in WvW is worse then lag in Cyrrodil.

don't even get me started on WoW and its bugginess on every patch even after, what.. 12 years?

no game is perfect. no game is perfectly stable 100% of the time. every game has bugs and issues and certain degree of lag. it honestly feels like people who are looking from the outside on those other games, don't see the nitty gritty, only the good stuff and think that its all there is. its like those Instagram accounts of popular people seemingly leading perfect lives and having fun all the time, when reality is their lives are not that different from everyone else's lives, they just don't show the negative or mundane parts to the world

Pvp wise use to be able to play in 70+ zerg battles with minimal lag (maguuma) yet get more than 10 people versing each other in vivec, most night atleast. 4-5 people will dc
Are you playing in america, if the answer is yes, Australia and new zealand gets actual lag, far as i can tell other games appreciate their overseas player base and zos carter for... Well one country.

Jeremy · September 2017

srfrogg23 wrote: »

My wife and I recently renewed our subscriptions to WoW and holy crap, WoW is not what it used to be. ESO, is what WoW used to be, these days.

I think it has a lot to do with the open world design and RPG customization of each game. ESO allows players the flexibility to create "bad builds", and that's great! There are even mechanics that require some additional conversation and trial and error to be fully understood. WoW has become so streamlined and so dumbed down, the game won't allow players to make mistakes anymore. I think something fundamental to RPG gameplay was lost from WoW because of that.

The open world content is also vastly different. ESO is not cluttered with pointless stat-bag trash mobs. I can actually poke around and explore without having to constantly fight something trivial. In WoW, on the other hand, it's like "move 5 feet, kill something, move 5 feet, kill something...". Exploring isn't fun in that game anymore. Blizzard employees occasionally pop into the forums and say "it's more dangerous that way", whenever someone mentions it. I disagree. It's just grindy and obnoxious.

I guess this thread is really just a minor plea to Zos to never, ever, ever follow Blizzard's example. Please, please, please don't dumb down your RPG mechanics based on utilitarian ideologies. Please do not replace depth and complexity with rapidly respawning trash mobs!

That's one of the things that turned me off from WoW as well.... the lack of choices when building your character.

Unfortunately this is a trend that's become prominent in most MMORPGs these days. Games like FFXIV for example have streamlined their character building process to the point you're just a cog in the wheel.

I prefer games that allow me to create my own unique character.

Morgul667 · September 2017

Interesting feedback, thanks

Slick_007 · September 2017

Blanco wrote: »

I've been playing for a solid year (just over a year now), and as far back as I can remember, the craft bag has been available for me when I'd needed it.

I daresay that if you're not subbed, actively involved in obtaining crafting mats, and still say you're having a good time, you may not know what a good time is.

And, that is especially if you haven't tried the craft bag before.

so you have zero experience playing without a craft bag and claim that with the experience you dont have, its unplayable. try again.

i was here before craft bags. it was certainly playable.

Pele · September 2017

Long live ESO.

witchdoctor · September 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

so you have zero experience playing without a craft bag and claim that with the experience you dont have, its unplayable. try again.

That succinctly summarises the ESO forums.

gobgrot · September 2017

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

U absoly can play wow for free btw, with the wow Coins, but that was not the goal to make that comparaison.

I juste said, i know why i need to pay 15$ fee in wow : Every little things is IN the Game not behind a paywall. Every cosmetic things.

In ESO it's the perfect opposite; All the "cool" cosmetic stuff is behing the crown Store, even with the eso+.
(and "cool" stay subjectiv. So that's my pov that the cosmetic in crown store are specifically more "pretty" "good" or even "cool" than the one in game; i'm talking about mount, pet, hair , tatoo , costume,...... )

I didn't say Eso was a bad game aahh, don't be so white knighty

Actually I really have to disagree with you on that. In wow you are getting a ton of content free, no arguments from me on that. Problem is the only way to get the really cool looking mounts ( better graphics ) and some of the better battle pets is to buy them. Not everyone thinks battle pets a joke, there are players who spend a lot of time on them and get serious about the pvp aspect.

Huyen · September 2017

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

In WoW you pay for the right to play the game. In ESO sub is optional, as well as the crownstore. You buy the game, you play it without additional costs.

Vaoh · September 2017

If ESO is so much better, how is it that WoW is so insanely popular and ESO isn't? Surely WoW is much better than what everyone makes it out to be, right? From what I hear WoW loses players inbetween expansion releases but each expansion brings back the massive playerbase.

Legit asking cause I've only ever played ESO. I can't relate to any of this stuff.

Enslaved · September 2017

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

So you wanna pay 15 bucks and have all for a month, than lose all because you haven't payed another 15 bucks. Lol.

Linaleah · September 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

If ESO is so much better, how is it that WoW is so insanely popular and ESO isn't? Surely WoW is much better than what everyone makes it out to be, right? From what I hear WoW loses players inbetween expansion releases but each expansion brings back the massive playerbase.

Legit asking cause I've only ever played ESO. I can't relate to any of this stuff.

its actualy very easily answered. WoW came out at the right time and at that time, the only other MMO's were inaccessible to most gamers. in that they required enormous time investment, were pretty punishing if you died, you pretty much had to group to do anything, they were not casual friendly by any means. and along comes WoW... a game built on IP that already had 3 games worth of content and lore - built in fanbase.. and offering a more casual player an MMo that can actualy play at their own pace. it exploded. it became part of the pop culture.

(all the most well known memes? they are from those first couple of years of WoW, including Leroy Jenkins), even people who don't game - know of it, in part thanks to those celebrity commercials with Mr T, Ozzie Ozborn, etc. now.. don't get me wrong its not a bad game and even though its launch was absolutely horrible buggy mess, Blizzard did what they do best - picked and chosen all the most popular ideas from other video games and then gave them their own little spin and then continue to do so. with occasional minor innovation thrown in here and there.

they essentially became apple of the gaming world. are they best? not really. new products came along that are arguably better, more polished, more creative. cheaper to get into. but the brand loyalty is so ingrained at this point that nothing short of blizzard deciding they had enough and shutting it down, would fully kill that game at this point. even though, just like apple and their iphones and ipads... they are not what they used to be. (and the population has been slowly dwindling, fewer and fewer people come back, its part of the reason why they introduced the tokens, btw - they serve the double purpose of extra profit on every subscription and getting people to subscribe for longer, who might have otherwise quit - since they can just use their gold to do it)

force of habit is a powerful thing.

P.S. ESO is not better at everything, but for a fair lot of us - its better at enough aspects to prefer it to other options. including WoW.