WoW made me appreciate ESO

srfrogg23

My wife and I recently renewed our subscriptions to WoW and holy crap, WoW is not what it used to be. ESO, is what WoW used to be, these days.

I think it has a lot to do with the open world design and RPG customization of each game. ESO allows players the flexibility to create "bad builds", and that's great! There are even mechanics that require some additional conversation and trial and error to be fully understood. WoW has become so streamlined and so dumbed down, the game won't allow players to make mistakes anymore. I think something fundamental to RPG gameplay was lost from WoW because of that.

The open world content is also vastly different. ESO is not cluttered with pointless stat-bag trash mobs. I can actually poke around and explore without having to constantly fight something trivial. In WoW, on the other hand, it's like "move 5 feet, kill something, move 5 feet, kill something...". Exploring isn't fun in that game anymore. Blizzard employees occasionally pop into the forums and say "it's more dangerous that way", whenever someone mentions it. I disagree. It's just grindy and obnoxious.

I guess this thread is really just a minor plea to Zos to never, ever, ever follow Blizzard's example. Please, please, please don't dumb down your RPG mechanics based on utilitarian ideologies. Please do not replace depth and complexity with rapidly respawning trash mobs!

AlexanderS

I agree 100%

Slick_007

when i started playing wow, it was my first graphical mmo. killed everything in sight. after a while, found myself avoiding fights simply because i couldnt be bothered, instead fighting the quest mobs only.

im sorta in between those two places in eso.

Linaleah

seconded. its actualy one of the main reasons I'm such a flight advocate in WoW and would rather not have flight in ESO. people like to talk about how "oh the world is dangerous on the ground, blah blah blah, but what it is - is tedious. and yes, even though ESO also has its META builds and maker help you if you are not playing them in group content with some people here, it also STILL lets you experiment and play around and do your own thing your own way.

and its still so open. I love love LOVE that I can just pick a direction and go in ESO. and find quest along the way, little self contained stories that are not hidden behind excessive phasing and on the rails zone progression.

anyways, ESO is far from perfect, but periodically mmo hopping definitely raises my appreciation for it.

Skander

Sadly, that's also its weaknesses. At least for pvp

smoke_disease

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

Slick_007

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

supaskrub

I want one of the "goold loonking" pets.. Crown Store exclusive?

smoke_disease

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

U absoly can play wow for free btw, with the wow Coins, but that was not the goal to make that comparaison.

I juste said, i know why i need to pay 15$ fee in wow : Every little things is IN the Game not behind a paywall. Every cosmetic things.

In ESO it's the perfect opposite; All the "cool" cosmetic stuff is behing the crown Store, even with the eso+.
(and "cool" stay subjectiv. So that's my pov that the cosmetic in crown store are specifically more "pretty" "good" or even "cool" than the one in game; i'm talking about mount, pet, hair , tatoo , costume,...... )


I didn't say Eso was a bad game aahh, don't be so white knighty

srfrogg23

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

Um... you haven't looked at WoW's cash shop have you? Trust me, nothing in that cash shop is available in the game.

ESO plus subs give more than a crafting bag. You also get:

1500 crowns per month to use or save for the cash shop.

Access to all dlc (which can be purchased with the crowns you get each month).

Experience gains are boosted by 10%.

Gold gains are boosted by 10%.

Research times reduced by 10%.

Being subbed to WoW doesn't do any of that. It just gets you past the log in screen. An ESO plus subscription is actually a really good deal.

smoke_disease

Yes, actually there is some mount and all in the wow cash shop. But i'm talking about the 100++ mount and pet u can had by actually playing the game (wow).
There is no such things in eso, i, imo, found that the crown store stuff are specially made to look more "cool" and "pretty" than the basic stuff in game (look at the Mount in ESO x)) ) to make more money. That's obviously ok for a compagny to make money. but wow didn't make money tho?

Again i'm not talking about the "REAL" stuff like Dungeon DLC, ect.... Because who care of the real stuff in a mmo? everybody care about cosmetic did u? So they put every " COOL LOOKING THINGS" behind a paywall. That's not bad or good; That is a FACT, like sky is blue and we had a Common Ancestor with monkey .

I'm just tired of the 3 horse and 2 pets u can have from the game base. I like cosmetic (for playing the game and not buy it) that's all.

I like eso for his gameplay too . The goal of my post was not to say : ESO is bad WOW is better. not at all.
I just made a comparaison with comsetic stuff in WoW and cosmectic stuff in eso.

Sorry to bother u with MY vision of life
edit for typo, and apologize my english skill.


PS : I would pay 20$/month if ALL the stuff was in game, but that make less money for the company so i understand there choices.
will you not like do have to do quest, event, achievment, special hardcore quest and all.... to have new mount or pet or cosmectic stuff ? I would.

Slick_007

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

U absoly can play wow for free btw, with the wow Coins, but that was not the goal to make that comparaison.

I juste said, i know why i need to pay 15$ fee in wow : Every little things is IN the Game not behind a paywall. Every cosmetic things.

In ESO it's the perfect opposite; All the "cool" cosmetic stuff is behing the crown Store, even with the eso+.
(and "cool" stay subjectiv. So that's my pov that the cosmetic in crown store are specifically more "pretty" "good" or even "cool" than the one in game; i'm talking about mount, pet, hair , tatoo , costume,...... )


I didn't say Eso was a bad game aahh, don't be so white knighty

let me put it another way that you might be able to understand.
wow is not free to play. eso is.
so when you pay for wow, you get it all. when you play eso for free, you dont. that sounds pretty damn fair.

your wow coins? wow tokens? have you even seen what they are?

"The WoW Token was created to give players with lots of extra gold the option to use it to help cover their subscription cost, and give those who want to purchase gold a way to do so from fellow players through a secure, easy-to-use system."

buy a token with real money, then sell that token for in game gold
"WoW Tokens will be available for purchase for real money through the World of Warcraft in-game Shop"

thats right. pay real money to get the token, so you can sell it for in game gold.
those buying the token can redeem for game time.

how much? "The gold value of a Token will be determined dynamically based on supply and demand" - so you cant even set the price.

in theory this will allow players who have been playing AND paying for a long time and not spent all their cash, to get free (no real money) game time. but they'd have to keep up their cash flow to continue it. and they already spent a lot of money to get to this point. and its not yet in the game either.

i pray that ESO never brings something like that in

smoke_disease

I'll not anwer more than that : u can use your WoW token to paid ur subscription . (and u said it. a lot of peep, and me, use it for that) And i prey to come back 3years ago, where there is Subscription mandatory and had ALL the content for that money

Good day mate, tired to discuss about that

thedude33

No game can be everything for everyone. In the near future, when new games come out, you will see posts in their forums talking about how ESO did things ...and how the new game should mimic some of those things.

ESO is an amazing game. The majority of the complaints are about change ( when every single person should understand these types of games HAVE to change) or someone that is burned out because they played the game too much because they liked it too much. So they quit .. which is quite a paradox when you think about it.

Saturnana

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

Again i'm not talking about the "REAL" stuff like Dungeon DLC, ect.... Because who care of the real stuff in a mmo? everybody care about cosmetic did u? So they put every " COOL LOOKING THINGS" behind a paywall. That's not bad or good; That is a FACT, like sky is blue and we had a Common Ancestor with monkey

Y-you're.. kidding, right? I think it's safe to assume that a LOT of ESO players aren't here just for the shiny mounts or costumes, but rather for end-game PvP or for PvE questing etc., because they love the lore. Both of which mean a good deal of DLC.

Regardless:
Base ESO game without subscription = happy play time
Base WoW game without subscription = no access whatsoever

That's what everyone means when they say WoW is not free to play. Both of these MMOs require an initial purchase, but WoW expects you to keep pumping in money to be able to even play the game. No subscription means no access to your hard-earned/bought shinies. In which case they better put something good in the game to compensate, whereas ESO's subscription is optional and therefore doesn't include all the "cool things" (though, as others have pointed out, ESO's subscription actually gives some useful extra's).

I agree 100% with OP. I quit WoW fairly quickly because of the mind-numbing "kill-this-go-there"-grind..
So I really hope ESO won't evolve into a similar game.

ProfesseurFreder

And not only World of Warcraft. I tried Guild Wars II a while back and Just Absolutely hated it. Basic controls sucked, the so-called "personalizations" amounted to noting at all, didn't even care for the "look" of the thing. So yeah, they have airships and would I love airships in ESO? Yes I would. But the fact that it isn't going to happen doesn't make me appreciate ESO any less as the far superior game.

As I'm a Mac user, my options are more limited than PC users... but I deeply suspect I'm not missing much, especially when I peek at videos for things like The Secret World, and see up front so how very blah they are.

Linaleah

indeed. and if we are going to compare cosmetics. WoW has transmog, ESO does not, however - ESO has in game earned system of dyes. no dyeing at all in WoW. so what is more important for you? you decide. I'd rather have dyes, especially system like in ESO.

and while I actualy love that WoW tokens exist (as a long term WoW player, I had enough gold to pretty much never buy another months of subscription ever again among other things), the fact is nonetheless that you do have to be subscribed to acess anything above level 20 (and since max level is actualy 110, it really is the unlimited time trial that they bill it to be)

I actualy enjoy GW2 for what it is - its a beautiful game that is quite lovely to explore, especially if you have a max level character, so you are not limited by level as to where you can go. ESO is a beautiful game as well, but GW2 provides this ..watercolor almost different style aesthetic which is a nice change of pace. but... recently, during open acess weekend to new expansion.. I realized just how much I've been spoiled by ESO combat, when it comes to action based combat systems. I'm by no means an amazing player, especially at action combat, but my god, GW2 felt so much clunkier...

secret world, the original was a fascinating game, mainly its story. legends reboot.. was.. disappointing. oh, the story is still there, but its f2p model is... not good. secret world used to be as good as ESO in terms of how it handled its non subscribers, but with legends... I mean.. I guess you don't have to buy content packs anymore, but day to day play is so limited in return.. I'd rather go back to buying content packs.

anyways. most MMO's have something that is particularly appealing to different kinds of people that make those MMO's preferable for them, over other options. for me, visiting those MMO's makes me appreciate many aspects of ESO all the more.

Motherball

This is the first time since vanilla WoW where I think to myself “this game is awesone” and “I love this game” while playing. Totally immersed. Actually I think Fallout 3 made me feel that way too.

FakeFox

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

I guess this is more a question of personal taste. For example my favourite costume, personality and skin are all available in game.
I haven't played WoW for three years or so, but back then it was more expensive to even play with 12-15€ subscription and a new DLC you were forced to buy in order to do anything in the game every year or so. And never the less it had micro transactions for mounts, pets and lots of services. To be fair WoW had the by far superior costumer service and other benefits, but the payment model wasn't superior in my opinion. In case they changed it recently please feel free to correct me.

Malacthulhu

When i played wow I scripted everything to a controller it took me about 10 min to burn througj cogwheels guide on scripting the macros and figured out how to break the 255 character limit by using a /changeactionbar command and extending the macro with another on the same position on a diff bar etc. It was also nice bc when deathknights came out I could cast death and decay ay my feet with one button like a paladin would consecrate, however I am a bigger fan of how eso handles aoe targeting.

SydneyGrey

Kneighbors wrote: »

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Um, no. Saying they appreciate ESO is the polar opposite of what you said. There is zero reason to close the thread.


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vyndral13preub18_ESO

srfrogg23 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

Um... you haven't looked at WoW's cash shop have you? Trust me, nothing in that cash shop is available in the game.

ESO plus subs give more than a crafting bag. You also get:

1500 crowns per month to use or save for the cash shop.

Access to all dlc (which can be purchased with the crowns you get each month).

Experience gains are boosted by 10%.

Gold gains are boosted by 10%.

Research times reduced by 10%.

Being subbed to WoW doesn't do any of that. It just gets you past the log in screen. An ESO plus subscription is actually a really good deal.

Just a couple things. Access to all dlc? The WoW sub absolutely does do that. The one thing WoW was behind in, was WoW sub did not give access to the expansions. But no worries ESO changed their plan so you have to pay for their chapters too. So now on both the sub gets you dlc and you pay for the expansions. You could argue that WoW expansions are bigger and the dlcs smaller while ESO is the reverse, but the point still stands you get the dlc and pay for the expansions.

Next there are no research times in WoW. So not getting this In WoW as part of a sub is completely pointless.

Also 1500 crowns to spend in the store.. you don't need them in WoW since most of the cosmetics can be earned in the game.

Crafting bag... I guess if WoW limited the space you could have in bags and storage and loaded crafting down with masses of useless crap as badly as eso did. So bad you felt you had had to have the extra space of a paid bag. Then yes, this would be a good point.

srfrogg23

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

Um... you haven't looked at WoW's cash shop have you? Trust me, nothing in that cash shop is available in the game.

ESO plus subs give more than a crafting bag. You also get:

1500 crowns per month to use or save for the cash shop.

Access to all dlc (which can be purchased with the crowns you get each month).

Experience gains are boosted by 10%.

Gold gains are boosted by 10%.

Research times reduced by 10%.

Being subbed to WoW doesn't do any of that. It just gets you past the log in screen. An ESO plus subscription is actually a really good deal.

Just a couple things. Access to all dlc? The WoW sub absolutely does do that. The one thing WoW was behind in, was WoW sub did not give access to the expansions. But no worries ESO changed their plan so you have to pay for their chapters too. So now on both the sub gets you dlc and you pay for the expansions. You could argue that WoW expansions are bigger and the dlcs smaller while ESO is the reverse, but the point still stands you get the dlc and pay for the expansions.

Next there are no research times in WoW. So not getting this In WoW as part of a sub is completely pointless.

Also 1500 crowns to spend in the store.. you don't need them in WoW since most of the cosmetics can be earned in the game.

Crafting bag... I guess if WoW limited the space you could have in bags and storage and loaded crafting down with masses of useless crap as badly as eso did. So bad you felt you had had to have the extra space of a paid bag. Then yes, this would be a good point.

Fair enough, I guess. Try playing WoW without a subscription. Then play ESO without a subscription. Then tell me which one is the better deal, lol.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

srfrogg23 wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

Um... you haven't looked at WoW's cash shop have you? Trust me, nothing in that cash shop is available in the game.

ESO plus subs give more than a crafting bag. You also get:

1500 crowns per month to use or save for the cash shop.

Access to all dlc (which can be purchased with the crowns you get each month).

Experience gains are boosted by 10%.

Gold gains are boosted by 10%.

Research times reduced by 10%.

Being subbed to WoW doesn't do any of that. It just gets you past the log in screen. An ESO plus subscription is actually a really good deal.

Just a couple things. Access to all dlc? The WoW sub absolutely does do that. The one thing WoW was behind in, was WoW sub did not give access to the expansions. But no worries ESO changed their plan so you have to pay for their chapters too. So now on both the sub gets you dlc and you pay for the expansions. You could argue that WoW expansions are bigger and the dlcs smaller while ESO is the reverse, but the point still stands you get the dlc and pay for the expansions.

Next there are no research times in WoW. So not getting this In WoW as part of a sub is completely pointless.

Also 1500 crowns to spend in the store.. you don't need them in WoW since most of the cosmetics can be earned in the game.

Crafting bag... I guess if WoW limited the space you could have in bags and storage and loaded crafting down with masses of useless crap as badly as eso did. So bad you felt you had had to have the extra space of a paid bag. Then yes, this would be a good point.

Fair enough, I guess. Try playing WoW without a subscription. Then play ESO without a subscription. Then tell me which one is the better deal, lol.

Fair enough. But Ive always been on the side of sub based model. Because I enjoy cosmetics. And I know without a true sub base, I'm the one who will end up paying the most for what I like.

Toc de Malsvi

srfrogg23 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

Um... you haven't looked at WoW's cash shop have you? Trust me, nothing in that cash shop is available in the game.

ESO plus subs give more than a crafting bag. You also get:

1500 crowns per month to use or save for the cash shop.

Access to all dlc (which can be purchased with the crowns you get each month).

Experience gains are boosted by 10%.

Gold gains are boosted by 10%.

Research times reduced by 10%.

Being subbed to WoW doesn't do any of that. It just gets you past the log in screen. An ESO plus subscription is actually a really good deal.

Come on now. You know you don't actually get those crowns, that's just what they tell us to keep us subscribing.


I get my crowns about 6 out of 12 months. Most of the time I could care less about it. It's kind of ridiculous that this is still an issue today.

Juju_beans

i'm a long time wow subscriber that left. The game changed to a very linear end-game raid or die model and that's just not me.

I'm a quester, explorer, profession tinkerer and ESO has all that and more for me with housing and furniture crafting.

My wow subscription only gave me access to wow..nothing else
My ESO subscription gives me the craft bag and a monthly crown allowance that I can spend in the crown store
The 10% extras are appreciated
Access to content I would otherwise have to buy if I played for free.

The quest lines in ESO are immersive and there are some nights I won't log off until I've "saved X"
Reminds me so much of early wow quest lines.

Either way i was shelling out $15-16/month for a game subscription. For the type of gamer I am ESO currently wins my money.

Juju_beans

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Crafting bag... I guess if WoW limited the space you could have in bags and storage and loaded crafting down with masses of useless crap as badly as eso did. So bad you felt you had had to have the extra space of a paid bag. Then yes, this would be a good point.

I did all the professions in wow. I had 2 bank alts with full bags/bank slots to hold the various mats.
Legion did a major prune to professions for both variety and mats with nothing being viable once you reach max level.

Linaleah

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

lel, at least in wow, i know why i paid 15 buck per month. Every things is on the game, any pet, any cosmetic things.

In Eso, u want somethings who look cool? Then Buy it, u don't have any choice. Even the "good" skin are from crown store exclusive (look at the HotR skin and the Crown store one). U want a mount that is different from a basic grey/black horse? NO, NO NO and NO, You'll need to BUY it. same with goold loonking pet, costume,etc.....

At least in wow, i not only paid for crafting bag and that's all. I will have loved so much that there is never Crown store things. I would paid my 12$ subscription with pleasure if ALL the Funny cosmectic was not on this Crown store bs.

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

Um... you haven't looked at WoW's cash shop have you? Trust me, nothing in that cash shop is available in the game.

ESO plus subs give more than a crafting bag. You also get:

1500 crowns per month to use or save for the cash shop.

Access to all dlc (which can be purchased with the crowns you get each month).

Experience gains are boosted by 10%.

Gold gains are boosted by 10%.

Research times reduced by 10%.

Being subbed to WoW doesn't do any of that. It just gets you past the log in screen. An ESO plus subscription is actually a really good deal.

Just a couple things. Access to all dlc? The WoW sub absolutely does do that. The one thing WoW was behind in, was WoW sub did not give access to the expansions. But no worries ESO changed their plan so you have to pay for their chapters too. So now on both the sub gets you dlc and you pay for the expansions. You could argue that WoW expansions are bigger and the dlcs smaller while ESO is the reverse, but the point still stands you get the dlc and pay for the expansions.

Next there are no research times in WoW. So not getting this In WoW as part of a sub is completely pointless.

Also 1500 crowns to spend in the store.. you don't need them in WoW since most of the cosmetics can be earned in the game.

Crafting bag... I guess if WoW limited the space you could have in bags and storage and loaded crafting down with masses of useless crap as badly as eso did. So bad you felt you had had to have the extra space of a paid bag. Then yes, this would be a good point.

there is a very important distinction. in WoW, buying expansions is just about mandatory to acess max level content, because its a level based game. in ESO - you can chose to buy DLC's (or subscribe) or you can skip them and STILL be able to acess trials and most ( now that battlegrounds are here, and I will state for the record that I think its a bad idea to put them behind a paywall for multiple reasons, not the least of which is potentially reduced pool of players) pvp.

in ESO, if you don't have morrowind - you STILl get acess to clockwork city and Horns of the reach with subscription or individual purchase. with WoW? none of the patches, including the most recent of Argus - is accessible without buying legion. people complained about not being able to participate in mayhem event fully? that's the reality for WoW with ALL the events. and one time anniversary events? are deliberately designed to require the latest expansion to even acess at all, let alone get the rewards from.

P.S. I used to prefer crafting in WoW - because it was so relatively easy to get into, even if it was at best useful for entry gear and occasional incidentals. but legion kinda murdered it, by locking so much behind rng. and no, I don't mean the kind of rng that motif drops have - you can at least chose to buy them from other people. I mean, you literally cannot progress your crafting unless a needed quest starter item drops for you while you play. Legion crafting as horrifying as it sounds? actualy made me not hate trait research as much.

Ihatenightblades

Ya i still dont understand how people play it after 10 years.

I hope zos releases new game before 10 years lol not sure im a fan of the keep putting new content eventually its gonna feel boring playing same game for 10 years.

Betsararie

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Eh, you can't really play this game for free either.

Game is unplayable without the craft bag.

I mean you can play, but it's just trash. His comparison was actually pretty legit and one of the things I miss most about WoW, actually.

srfrogg23

Blanco wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

raphael.vestab16_ESO wrote: »

TDLR;
In wow, u pay ur subscription FOR ALL THE GAME (Every cosmetic, mount, pet, ..........)
In ESO : only for the craft bag and dlc ; U want a cosmetic who look good or who is "pretty"? Nahahnaah U NEED TU BUY IT ! Even if u aldready have a subscription fee. ....

you cant play wow for free. so your comparison is a fail

Eh, you can't really play this game for free either.

Game is unplayable without the craft bag.

I mean you can play, but it's just trash. His comparison was actually pretty legit and one of the things I miss most about WoW, actually.

I can't say I agree with that. You can get a whole lot of bag and bank space by using gold. Between mount upgrades, bag upgrades, and bank upgrades, that's a lot of room for crafting reagents (assuming you're not filling your space up with random junk you never use).