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Why ESO rating collapsing?
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Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭Nyghthowler wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »@Kneighbors , here's an idea; try playing the game and decide for yourself if it's good or not.
If you don't like it, then try whining and crying to Steam for a refund. You never know...
But make your own decision; don't get led around by your nose.
Don't get led around by your nose ? Is that a real expression ? Because your nose can warn you before you step in *** .
Also ignoring a problem does not address a problem . The OP posted to identify possible issues . Knowledge that could help ZoS if they decided to use it possibly . Telling people to whine and ask for refunds adds nothing to the conversation .
Yes, that's a real expression.
Ignoring what problem? Steam metrics is one of the worst places for an informed opinion.
I wasn't really trying to add to the conversation because the OP started out with a whiney tone, stating they feel cheated. The game has been out long enough for him, her, or they to do research on it and determine if they wanted to play it. I have no sympathy for these types of posters.
I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago. I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).
As many players today I like hardcore gaming. It felt really fast paced at the state it was one year ago. Changing to sustain slowed down the hell out of the game and deteriorating performance became a dragging anchor. The game today feels like an old cell phone overloaded with junk apps, filled with performance glitches, many features not working anymore and while you hate you still continue using it. Now I can't blame manufacturer of the cellphone for that because they are not positioning it as AAA phone by that time while ESO is still trying to sell itself as an AAA game. Well its not. And that's why I feel cheated.Edited by Kneighbors on September 22, 2017 11:35PM2 -
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✭✭✭That's only steam reviews I thought, ESO was out 2 years before Steam wasn't it?2 -
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It is a AAA game though.Kneighbors wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »@Kneighbors , here's an idea; try playing the game and decide for yourself if it's good or not.
If you don't like it, then try whining and crying to Steam for a refund. You never know...
But make your own decision; don't get led around by your nose.
Don't get led around by your nose ? Is that a real expression ? Because your nose can warn you before you step in *** .
Also ignoring a problem does not address a problem . The OP posted to identify possible issues . Knowledge that could help ZoS if they decided to use it possibly . Telling people to whine and ask for refunds adds nothing to the conversation .
Yes, that's a real expression.
Ignoring what problem? Steam metrics is one of the worst places for an informed opinion.
I wasn't really trying to add to the conversation because the OP started out with a whiney tone, stating they feel cheated. The game has been out long enough for him, her, or they to do research on it and determine if they wanted to play it. I have no sympathy for these types of posters.
I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago. I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).
As many players today I like hardcore gaming. It felt really fast paced at the state it was one year ago. Changing to sustain slowed down the hell out of the game and deteriorating performance became a dragging anchor. The game today feels like an old cell phone overloaded with junk apps, filled with performance glitches, many features not working anymore and while you hate you still continue using it. Now I can't blame manufacturer of the cellphone for that because they are not positioning it as AAA phone by that time while ESO is still trying to sell itself as an AAA game. Well its not. And that's why I feel cheated.
An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion.
Which ESO has. Just because it's not perfect and has bugs and issues doesn't mean it's not a AAA game. Pretty much every single AAA game on the market is buggy, cash grabs these days, doesn't make them less AAA.
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It is a AAA game though.Kneighbors wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »@Kneighbors , here's an idea; try playing the game and decide for yourself if it's good or not.
If you don't like it, then try whining and crying to Steam for a refund. You never know...
But make your own decision; don't get led around by your nose.
Don't get led around by your nose ? Is that a real expression ? Because your nose can warn you before you step in *** .
Also ignoring a problem does not address a problem . The OP posted to identify possible issues . Knowledge that could help ZoS if they decided to use it possibly . Telling people to whine and ask for refunds adds nothing to the conversation .
Yes, that's a real expression.
Ignoring what problem? Steam metrics is one of the worst places for an informed opinion.
I wasn't really trying to add to the conversation because the OP started out with a whiney tone, stating they feel cheated. The game has been out long enough for him, her, or they to do research on it and determine if they wanted to play it. I have no sympathy for these types of posters.
I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago. I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).
As many players today I like hardcore gaming. It felt really fast paced at the state it was one year ago. Changing to sustain slowed down the hell out of the game and deteriorating performance became a dragging anchor. The game today feels like an old cell phone overloaded with junk apps, filled with performance glitches, many features not working anymore and while you hate you still continue using it. Now I can't blame manufacturer of the cellphone for that because they are not positioning it as AAA phone by that time while ESO is still trying to sell itself as an AAA game. Well its not. And that's why I feel cheated.
An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion.
Which ESO has. Just because it's not perfect and has bugs and issues doesn't mean it's not a AAA game. Pretty much every single AAA game on the market is buggy, cash grabs these days, doesn't make them less AAA.
Your fandom is overwhelming ... He says he "feels" cheated . These are all his feelings . Some will agree that in no way was he actually cheated by the developer and is just experiencing the usual MMO roller coaster ride of change .
Who comes up with this AAA rating system anyways ? I would like to register a complaint when I bought Age of Wushu a few years ago .10 -
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I never said he can't feel cheated, I just pointed out that no matter how cheated one feels you don't get to change the classification of AAA game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
It is a AAA game though.Kneighbors wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »@Kneighbors , here's an idea; try playing the game and decide for yourself if it's good or not.
If you don't like it, then try whining and crying to Steam for a refund. You never know...
But make your own decision; don't get led around by your nose.
Don't get led around by your nose ? Is that a real expression ? Because your nose can warn you before you step in *** .
Also ignoring a problem does not address a problem . The OP posted to identify possible issues . Knowledge that could help ZoS if they decided to use it possibly . Telling people to whine and ask for refunds adds nothing to the conversation .
Yes, that's a real expression.
Ignoring what problem? Steam metrics is one of the worst places for an informed opinion.
I wasn't really trying to add to the conversation because the OP started out with a whiney tone, stating they feel cheated. The game has been out long enough for him, her, or they to do research on it and determine if they wanted to play it. I have no sympathy for these types of posters.
I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago. I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).
As many players today I like hardcore gaming. It felt really fast paced at the state it was one year ago. Changing to sustain slowed down the hell out of the game and deteriorating performance became a dragging anchor. The game today feels like an old cell phone overloaded with junk apps, filled with performance glitches, many features not working anymore and while you hate you still continue using it. Now I can't blame manufacturer of the cellphone for that because they are not positioning it as AAA phone by that time while ESO is still trying to sell itself as an AAA game. Well its not. And that's why I feel cheated.
An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion.
Which ESO has. Just because it's not perfect and has bugs and issues doesn't mean it's not a AAA game. Pretty much every single AAA game on the market is buggy, cash grabs these days, doesn't make them less AAA.
Your fandom is overwhelming ... He says he "feels" cheated . These are all his feelings . Some will agree that in no way was he actually cheated by the developer and is just experiencing the usual MMO roller coaster ride of change .
Who comes up with this AAA rating system anyways ? I would like to register a complaint when I bought Age of Wushu a few years ago .
As for where it came from the wiki article said "The term "AAA" began to be used in the late 1990s, with some development companies started using the expression at gaming conventions in the US." so I guess they started using it and everyone kept it going?
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The ratings (both from customers and websites etc) are almost always stupid.4 -
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I never said he can't feel cheated, I just pointed out that no matter how cheated one feels you don't get to change the classification of AAA game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
It is a AAA game though.Kneighbors wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »@Kneighbors , here's an idea; try playing the game and decide for yourself if it's good or not.
If you don't like it, then try whining and crying to Steam for a refund. You never know...
But make your own decision; don't get led around by your nose.
Don't get led around by your nose ? Is that a real expression ? Because your nose can warn you before you step in *** .
Also ignoring a problem does not address a problem . The OP posted to identify possible issues . Knowledge that could help ZoS if they decided to use it possibly . Telling people to whine and ask for refunds adds nothing to the conversation .
Yes, that's a real expression.
Ignoring what problem? Steam metrics is one of the worst places for an informed opinion.
I wasn't really trying to add to the conversation because the OP started out with a whiney tone, stating they feel cheated. The game has been out long enough for him, her, or they to do research on it and determine if they wanted to play it. I have no sympathy for these types of posters.
I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago. I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).
As many players today I like hardcore gaming. It felt really fast paced at the state it was one year ago. Changing to sustain slowed down the hell out of the game and deteriorating performance became a dragging anchor. The game today feels like an old cell phone overloaded with junk apps, filled with performance glitches, many features not working anymore and while you hate you still continue using it. Now I can't blame manufacturer of the cellphone for that because they are not positioning it as AAA phone by that time while ESO is still trying to sell itself as an AAA game. Well its not. And that's why I feel cheated.
An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion.
Which ESO has. Just because it's not perfect and has bugs and issues doesn't mean it's not a AAA game. Pretty much every single AAA game on the market is buggy, cash grabs these days, doesn't make them less AAA.
Your fandom is overwhelming ... He says he "feels" cheated . These are all his feelings . Some will agree that in no way was he actually cheated by the developer and is just experiencing the usual MMO roller coaster ride of change .
Who comes up with this AAA rating system anyways ? I would like to register a complaint when I bought Age of Wushu a few years ago .
As for where it came from the wiki article said "The term "AAA" began to be used in the late 1990s, with some development companies started using the expression at gaming conventions in the US." so I guess they started using it and everyone kept it going?
Another faceless entity in the gaming industry throwing wonton alphabet letters around the interwebz to describe their product with no quality control . I will start telling the locals my tacos are Triple A tacos then .5 -
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In this day and age it would probably work as well. Any way... off topic.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Another faceless entity in the gaming industry throwing wonton alphabet letters around the interwebz to describe their product with no quality control . I will start telling the locals my tacos are Triple A tacos then .
User reviews and ratings should be taken with a grain of salt and some personal investigation and reading. These days the moment one thing upsets people they will mass downvote a game because they're mad.
Look at Fallout 4. The game is still as good as it was at launch, but because Bethesda added Creation Club to it everyone downvoted it on Steam. The game wasn't any worse off and played exactly the same, just people wanted a way to vent their anger.
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Alexandrious✭✭✭Alexandrious wrote: »Multiple factors. Alot of ppl dont like animatiin canceling specially since latest nerfs to it made it harder to use according to all I read, still seems fine to me. Difficulty in purchasing items since new gen majority is used to auction houses, also the fact that the whole trade system became cut throat, you can read on that in some posts.
Nightblades being nerfed constantly, to the point that they are screaming for class change tokens. Which zenimax will provide.... for up to 5k crowns each, then wait a few months, then buff nightblades bk up so all the ones that used the token will buy another to change back, standard mmo business practice, seen it before, it will happen.
Then their is the fact Bethesda stated their will not be anoter elder scrolls or even a fallout game for a long while, so you get all these kids who want online skyrim clamoring to eso, finds out its very much different, has a vad time in any number of ways, quits, puts up a bad review.
Damn typing on a phine is a ***. I need a note 8. Anyway, lots of reasons, oh and bad optimization too. You could have a beast of a rig with a g sync monitor, your frames will be sporadic and even go below 60 unless you manually tweak the settings.
Will give props though, eso plus giving a craft bag and double bank space is a winner for me. Im always big on inventory space since im a pack rat and hate having to organize every 30 mins. But yea, take what I say what you will. But if ya search reddit and the forums you will find the truth to all I said.
Night blades are still very good they are just no ez mode anymore because procs were nerfed
Meh, majority cryin otherwise, but I believe ya, majority always crying, been that way since WoW.
Sighs....curse joo WoW, curse joo.0 -
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
I never said he can't feel cheated, I just pointed out that no matter how cheated one feels you don't get to change the classification of AAA game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
It is a AAA game though.Kneighbors wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »@Kneighbors , here's an idea; try playing the game and decide for yourself if it's good or not.
If you don't like it, then try whining and crying to Steam for a refund. You never know...
But make your own decision; don't get led around by your nose.
Don't get led around by your nose ? Is that a real expression ? Because your nose can warn you before you step in *** .
Also ignoring a problem does not address a problem . The OP posted to identify possible issues . Knowledge that could help ZoS if they decided to use it possibly . Telling people to whine and ask for refunds adds nothing to the conversation .
Yes, that's a real expression.
Ignoring what problem? Steam metrics is one of the worst places for an informed opinion.
I wasn't really trying to add to the conversation because the OP started out with a whiney tone, stating they feel cheated. The game has been out long enough for him, her, or they to do research on it and determine if they wanted to play it. I have no sympathy for these types of posters.
I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago. I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).
As many players today I like hardcore gaming. It felt really fast paced at the state it was one year ago. Changing to sustain slowed down the hell out of the game and deteriorating performance became a dragging anchor. The game today feels like an old cell phone overloaded with junk apps, filled with performance glitches, many features not working anymore and while you hate you still continue using it. Now I can't blame manufacturer of the cellphone for that because they are not positioning it as AAA phone by that time while ESO is still trying to sell itself as an AAA game. Well its not. And that's why I feel cheated.
An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion.
Which ESO has. Just because it's not perfect and has bugs and issues doesn't mean it's not a AAA game. Pretty much every single AAA game on the market is buggy, cash grabs these days, doesn't make them less AAA.
Your fandom is overwhelming ... He says he "feels" cheated . These are all his feelings . Some will agree that in no way was he actually cheated by the developer and is just experiencing the usual MMO roller coaster ride of change .
Who comes up with this AAA rating system anyways ? I would like to register a complaint when I bought Age of Wushu a few years ago .
As for where it came from the wiki article said "The term "AAA" began to be used in the late 1990s, with some development companies started using the expression at gaming conventions in the US." so I guess they started using it and everyone kept it going?
Another faceless entity in the gaming industry throwing wonton alphabet letters around the interwebz to describe their product with no quality control . I will start telling the locals my tacos are Triple A tacos then .
Usually I agree with your posts, but now I fee you're being argumentative just to be so.
The fact that the OP bought the game a F'ing YEAR ago and now feels cheated because the rankings have dropped is ridiculous!
I seriously hope this post gets closed, because the OP is .... words that will get me banned.I'm not prejudiced; I hate everyone equally !5 -
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✭✭✭✭Two points isn't enough to make a decent graph.
I play ESO because:
It was ES online with friends (I was hoping for Morrowind online, but... different topic)
I like it.
Gonna be skyping with friends shortly.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Slack✭✭✭✭✭You feel cheated because of there were some negative reviews....
I don't know, these forums never fail to impress me.
Reading through the threads makes me wonder if those are the actual important worries of the people here.
Silly rant, after rant conjured out of nothing.
I highly doubt the reviews make a game more or less attractive for you while playing it.
But if it does, then there is a game called "Clicker Heroes", you might try that.Edited by Slack on September 23, 2017 12:13AMPC EU
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✭✭✭✭✭Nyghthowler wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
I never said he can't feel cheated, I just pointed out that no matter how cheated one feels you don't get to change the classification of AAA game.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
It is a AAA game though.Kneighbors wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Nyghthowler wrote: »@Kneighbors , here's an idea; try playing the game and decide for yourself if it's good or not.
If you don't like it, then try whining and crying to Steam for a refund. You never know...
But make your own decision; don't get led around by your nose.
Don't get led around by your nose ? Is that a real expression ? Because your nose can warn you before you step in *** .
Also ignoring a problem does not address a problem . The OP posted to identify possible issues . Knowledge that could help ZoS if they decided to use it possibly . Telling people to whine and ask for refunds adds nothing to the conversation .
Yes, that's a real expression.
Ignoring what problem? Steam metrics is one of the worst places for an informed opinion.
I wasn't really trying to add to the conversation because the OP started out with a whiney tone, stating they feel cheated. The game has been out long enough for him, her, or they to do research on it and determine if they wanted to play it. I have no sympathy for these types of posters.
I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago. I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).
As many players today I like hardcore gaming. It felt really fast paced at the state it was one year ago. Changing to sustain slowed down the hell out of the game and deteriorating performance became a dragging anchor. The game today feels like an old cell phone overloaded with junk apps, filled with performance glitches, many features not working anymore and while you hate you still continue using it. Now I can't blame manufacturer of the cellphone for that because they are not positioning it as AAA phone by that time while ESO is still trying to sell itself as an AAA game. Well its not. And that's why I feel cheated.
An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion.
Which ESO has. Just because it's not perfect and has bugs and issues doesn't mean it's not a AAA game. Pretty much every single AAA game on the market is buggy, cash grabs these days, doesn't make them less AAA.
Your fandom is overwhelming ... He says he "feels" cheated . These are all his feelings . Some will agree that in no way was he actually cheated by the developer and is just experiencing the usual MMO roller coaster ride of change .
Who comes up with this AAA rating system anyways ? I would like to register a complaint when I bought Age of Wushu a few years ago .
As for where it came from the wiki article said "The term "AAA" began to be used in the late 1990s, with some development companies started using the expression at gaming conventions in the US." so I guess they started using it and everyone kept it going?
Another faceless entity in the gaming industry throwing wonton alphabet letters around the interwebz to describe their product with no quality control . I will start telling the locals my tacos are Triple A tacos then .
Usually I agree with your posts, but now I fee you're being argumentative just to be so.
The fact that the OP bought the game a F'ing YEAR ago and now feels cheated because the rankings have dropped is ridiculous!
I seriously hope this post gets closed, because the OP is .... words that will get me banned.
We are all just sharing our feelings today . I feel we have all grown closer then ever
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SirAxen✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »The game gets worse and worse and worse because it is overseen by ZOS, which is objectovely a poorly run, unprofessional, short-sighted company.
Meh. No. Evidence to the contrary, and all that. We would not be here today if this were the case.
I can't speak for the numbers from Steam, but Chapters are likely to lead to a steady decline for most of the year. I expect to see ramped up interest in the couple months ahead of the Chapter, and the month after it. Of course, depending on the Chapter and how much it costs.
I don't think that Morrowind was a runaway success, simply because the Chapter cannot live up to the game. That, coupled with a perception of high price with low content, means that they have an entire year with nothing to really grab new players and hold attention. Piddly stuff like Clockwork City will interest existing players, but new players have no idea what to think of it. That will likely be the story for the 1Q DLC, too. They have to put the good stuff into the Chapters, and that means three quarters of "yawn". Less content and more people noticing lag and bugs that never get fixed.
I fear that they will compensate with a bunch of marketing related crap. No compelling content, just marketing tricks to bring in revenue. Hardly things that boost ratings.
In my mind, everything rests next on the 2Q 2018 Chapter. What it is. How sexy it sounds. Bang for the buck.
Imagine the MMORPGs out there that don't even put out half the amount of content ESO does each year. In my experience with several of the MMORPGs out today, ESO put out new content and offers new things way more often than most of them do. Added bonus? All of it is accessible to everyone right out of the gate, not just the end game players.Edited by SirAxen on September 23, 2017 12:22AM5 -
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✭✭I guess the kind of player that you could call "progress oriented" or "hardcore" is overrepresentated in the steam reviews. Zenimax is constantly showing, that they don't care much about those players and prefer to have customers who just buy the dlc, play for a few hours and then disappear untill they buy the next dlc.
So since you said that you don't have much time for games, eso is probably perfect for you. However if you were looking for a game with challenging raids and long term competition, I'd recommend you to search somewhere else.Edited by lolo_01b16_ESO on September 23, 2017 12:34AM1 -
TaintedKurse✭✭✭Personally, I think its alordrichter wrote: »The game gets worse and worse and worse because it is overseen by ZOS, which is objectovely a poorly run, unprofessional, short-sighted company.
Meh. No. Evidence to the contrary, and all that. We would not be here today if this were the case.
I can't speak for the numbers from Steam, but Chapters are likely to lead to a steady decline for most of the year. I expect to see ramped up interest in the couple months ahead of the Chapter, and the month after it. Of course, depending on the Chapter and how much it costs.
I don't think that Morrowind was a runaway success, simply because the Chapter cannot live up to the game. That, coupled with a perception of high price with low content, means that they have an entire year with nothing to really grab new players and hold attention. Piddly stuff like Clockwork City will interest existing players, but new players have no idea what to think of it. That will likely be the story for the 1Q DLC, too. They have to put the good stuff into the Chapters, and that means three quarters of "yawn". Less content and more people noticing lag and bugs that never get fixed.
I fear that they will compensate with a bunch of marketing related crap. No compelling content, just marketing tricks to bring in revenue. Hardly things that boost ratings.
In my mind, everything rests next on the 2Q 2018 Chapter. What it is. How sexy it sounds. Bang for the buck.
I just don't feel like Morrowind delivered. I think as a whole a significant portion of the community felt cheated by having to pay extra for Morrowind and by introducing these chapters. I'm not against them, I just think they need to deliver significantly more for the there price tag. Or they need to be about 20-30 bucks each base online edition.
At very least every chapter should introduce a new large zone or a combination of normal sized zones, a new feature (Like battlegrounds), a new class, 1 trial, two dungeons, two public dungeons, and a significant update to the main story line.
With Morrowind they made us pay another premium when most of us are already paying for ESO+ and other DLC. On top of what we all contribute in the crown store.
They constantly are looking for ways to squeeze another dollar out of us and its down right greedy. In past few months it really hasn't felt like they value there customer as much as they use to. We support them buy purchasing tons of these limited BS cash grab cosmetics but, they never support us. Also, they haven't made chapters a reasonable price. They charged the practically the full price of the base game for an update that delivered a fraction of what we were expecting.
I'm sure most of you just purchased it so you could create a warden and do battlegrounds. Not to say I don't want new classes. Its just that those two things and the new trial are really all we got for our purchase and continued support. It didn't deliver much more than Wrothgar. In fact I enjoyed the Wrothgar's quests as whole significantly more and that's available through the sub. When it came down to it, ZOS felt that the zone was to big and as paying customers we didn't deserve it and that they should slap another fee on it. When half of the map is a f***ing volcano.
I feel like ESO could be such a better game if they just gave us more to do and unlock. Any time ZOS creates a cosmetic and now even a zone that people would actually want in game. They disappoint us and anger the community by selling it as some ridiculous price that only a privileged few are going to be able to buy. Also in terms of cosmetics, Wheres the adventure in that? Its just micro-transaction after micro-transaction and then they throw in chapters on top of the cake. It's just too much, ESO is a very profitable game. Stop milking us. Give us collectibles that are worth unlocking and give us 1 a year chapters that actually deliver and grow the longevity of the game. There just wasn't much to do in Morrowind for the price tag there asking. I just don't think it's worth it and I understand why a lot of people have thrown on the towel.
On top of that there has been some horrendous updates that have imbalanced PVP and it seems like the PVP community is growing increasingly frustrated. They seem to be the ones who are primarily leaving the negative reviews.
TLDR: ZOS needs to stop being so greedy, and needs to be more responsive to the PVP imbalance that currently exists.
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The overall rating is 79% positive while the latest 1k reviews are only 66% positive. Honestly, I feel cheated. When I purchased the game it was written OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE out there and the rating was above 85% positive. This was the primary reason I purchased the game.
When I was 16 y/o I had enough time to check any mediocre game out there. Nowadays when I'm slightly older I'm looking only at the best of the best, picking the strawberries outta pie. No chance I would buy a game with MIXED reviews on steam. Open the reviews, make a fast scroll and it will become apparent this is not the game you want to spend your only 2 hours free a day, making good times roll. Of course if you are not a truly devoted fanboy.
So why is it happening? Do you think it's just the game aging and it's a natural process? Do you believe the rating will go up in the future?
Its the vision and game direction. It was a great game 18 months ago. The firing of key people and pushing matts one dimmensional game was not wise.1 -
SirAxen✭✭✭✭✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Kneighbors wrote: »
The overall rating is 79% positive while the latest 1k reviews are only 66% positive. Honestly, I feel cheated. When I purchased the game it was written OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE out there and the rating was above 85% positive. This was the primary reason I purchased the game.
When I was 16 y/o I had enough time to check any mediocre game out there. Nowadays when I'm slightly older I'm looking only at the best of the best, picking the strawberries outta pie. No chance I would buy a game with MIXED reviews on steam. Open the reviews, make a fast scroll and it will become apparent this is not the game you want to spend your only 2 hours free a day, making good times roll. Of course if you are not a truly devoted fanboy.
So why is it happening? Do you think it's just the game aging and it's a natural process? Do you believe the rating will go up in the future?
Its the vision and game direction. It was a great game 18 months ago. The firing of key people and pushing matts one dimmensional game was not wise.
I'd say it's more the sweeping 'review bombing' going on. Bethesda and anything attached to it have been getting review bombed because of Creation Club and plethora of other things. Other companies have been getting the same. It's just childishness.
That said, I'm sure some of it is of course people that don't like change. I openly admit I'm not one of those people though. Having to heavy attack slightly more by no means ruins my enjoyment of a wide-open run through Tamriel with friends.Edited by SirAxen on September 23, 2017 1:09AM2 -
sarbonn✭✭✭A lot of us love the game and never actually make any reviews. It doesn't mean we don't like it; we're just not the review kind of people.
In my opinion, the people who will generally write these types of reviews are people who might actually be upset at a game, which will generally steer the ratings down. There was a huge expansion recently, and I'm guessing that a lot of people played it extensively and then burned themselves out. I can see reviews going a bit down after that.
The devs still need to work on some kind of end game for this whole thing, and that's always been a struggle. Doing more of the same is going to burn people out pretty fast. Hopefully, that's on the top of their burners right now.Clueless, but willing to learn.2 -
MilwaukeeScott✭✭✭✭✭Kneighbors wrote: »[I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago.
I usually don't play a game for a whole year. It gets old.
I've been playing ESO now for 3 years.
I'm sorry ESO is no longer what you want it to be.
Can I have your stuff?PS4NA
All I see is hate and rage from people who don't understand how to.....3 -
Raraaku✭✭✭✭It's a multitude of factors, all valid in some way or another. Generally speaking, I take most reviews with a grain of salt, and I try to read the positive and negative ones as well as the middle of the road ones to try and get a clearer picture. One outside factor is that of review bombing that has been mentioned because of some... questionable direction taken by Bethesda recently, especially with respect to the PC community. A bigger factor, in my opinion, is that I think frustrated fans view it as one of the few places where they can list out their issues with the game that could possibly have an impact on the game. I think the mindset is that, poorer ratings = less sales and less sales = attention from the devs. I really think ZoS has a problem in respect to this.
Honestly, if the Devs would just interact with the community and at least try to show the player base that they hear their feedback and communicate directly to their fans what they are working on and their plans for the future other than an irregular dev post on the main site would make a HUGE difference. I'll be honest, in terms of involvement with the community, I feel that ZoS might be one of the worst developers in showing an active interest in their fan base I've seen with regards to an MMO in a long time. For me, it really feels like there is a permeable atmosphere of indifference. The closest thing I've seen ZoS interact with the community directly are the mods, and that's only in an administration/regulator capacity or when something has gone wrong and damage control needs to be done; with respect to them, they have a thankless job.
In terms of the game itself, no game is perfect. From what I've read, I do think ZoS could do a better job at least forecasting upcoming balancing tweaks, particularly if they are bigger changes that affect core mechanics of the game/combat.
TL:DR - Every point is valid in some way or another. If ZoS wants to really improve the game, become directly involved with the community and show the community that they are listening/care.Back from a much needed break. || I like having too many projects and working on them all at once.
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Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭MilwaukeeScott wrote: »Kneighbors wrote: »[I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago.
I usually don't play a game for a whole year. It gets old.
I've been playing ESO now for 3 years.
I'm sorry ESO is no longer what you want it to be.
Can I have your stuff?
One of the really bad things about ESO rating and condition that the account prices simply collapsed on grey market. Now it will be really hard to sell maxed out ESO account full of characters for over a 150$. So yea "Can I have ur stuff" makes sense now. Many people who left the game simply won't give you their stuff just because they are greedy. They know very well that they will not come to play again and still they won't give\sell it.0 -
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✭Obviously you've never been truly cheated if ratings on a game make you feel cheated.
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✭AbysmalGhul wrote: »Obviously you've never been truly cheated if ratings on a game make you feel cheated.
This is a succinct point.
Also, OP: do you stop going to a restaurant you like because its Yelp reviews changed? Would you swap universities because its annual ranking changed? Do you swap teams because of FaceBook memes?5 -
leeux✭✭✭✭✭If you take the time to use the new steam graphs and filter day by day, you'll see that most negative reviews mention connectivity issues, crashing issues and downloading issues.
I've found a single mention of the CC fiasco in about 30 reviews I skimmed over... so, I see no steam bombing even past Sept 1st., just legitimate issues users are having either with the Steam platform or with the ESO servers themselves.
EDIT: fix typo
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✭✭✭✭✭Kneighbors wrote: »I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).
A Steam sample of 20,000 players is about .002% of the entire ESO playerbase. Reliable?4 -
Alexandrious✭✭✭AbysmalGhul wrote: »Obviously you've never been truly cheated if ratings on a game make you feel cheated.
I been cheated out of my 7 year long xiv account, due to gms not doing their jobs properly, made worse that every single one of them I spoke to on the phone souded like they came fresh out of high school.
Is that to be truly cheated?0
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