Why ESO rating collapsing?

Kneighbors

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).

A Steam sample of 20,000 players is about .002% of the entire ESO playerbase. Reliable?

Wow, didn't know ESO got a milliard of players! And I barely find 3 man to run daily pledges with.

KochDerDamonen

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).

A Steam sample of 20,000 players is about .002% of the entire ESO playerbase. Reliable?

@Taleof2cities I didn't realize there was that many people actually playing

Taleof2Cities

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).

A Steam sample of 20,000 players is about .002% of the entire ESO playerbase. Reliable?

@Taleof2cities I didn't realize there was that many people actually playing

The latest update we had was 8.5 million accounts back in February of this year. Regardless of how many players we agree or disagree on, the number on the Steam survey is very very small.

SydneyGrey

False comparison. In one statistic, they're showing reviews for the game as a whole. In the other, they're only showing reviews from the past 30 days.

Nova Sky

The practice, OP, is called "review bombing," and it's carried out by people with a vested interest in "punishing" the company, artist, author, etc., with whom they have a beef with. As of late, most "review bombing" is political in nature.

Nemesis7884

Stania wrote: »

You'll notice this happened to Bethesda games too. People are lately leaving negative reviews as a boycott due to the implementation of the Creation Club.

good

RGFors

Don’t worry, some day you’ll grow up and be able to form your own opinions and not be concerned with others.

Slick_007

heres what i got out of the OP
i bought the game. other people are whining about it. i feel cheated

wheres the part about how the OP actually feels about playing the game? thats right. its not there, because all they wanna do is whine. they arent complaining that THEY dont enjoy they game, they are complaining that they got ripped off because SOMEONE ELSE doesnt enjoy it.

all this needed was a stupid biased poll to go with it and it would have met the usual forum standards.

therefore i only scored you 1.5/10. you got an extra .5 for providing pics.

newtinmpls

witchdoctor wrote: »

do you stop going to a restaurant you like because its Yelp reviews changed? Would you swap universities because its annual ranking changed? Do you swap teams because of FaceBook memes?

The scary thing is that there are folks who would say yes to this.

SirAxen

This thread is an attempt to try and make people that actually enjoy this game feel bad about enjoying it. ESO is by no means perfect, but it's head and shoulders above most other games in it's genre.

DaveMoeDee

Is this a troll post? I mean, no one would post about the change in ratings without actually mentioning whether they played the game, right? Poe, right?

Regarding the change in rating, ratings aren't very trustworthy. Read individual reviews instead. Read some of the bad reviews to see if they speak to you.

Regarding decline in the number of players, count me as one of the people who has kinda lost interest. Once I finished the Morrowind content, there wasn't anything else I wanted to do in-game. The new model of only 3 DLC a year where one is dungeons I'm likely never going to play has made me think I'll just return once a year. Maybe when the next chapter comes out, I'll play that and Clockwork City in the same month. Inventory management is a mess but there isn't enough new content to justify maintaining a membership, so I'll just get ESO+ that one month when I will play through the new Chapter and Clockwork City. Dealing with inventory without ESO+ isn't worth the hassle.

Since I have finished all content, other games are more fun. I am even enjoying ESL more than ESO (even though I am not a CCG person) because I can play it casually.

Axoinus

Kneighbors wrote: »

The overall rating is 79% positive while the latest 1k reviews are only 66% positive. Honestly, I feel cheated. When I purchased the game it was written OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE out there and the rating was above 85% positive. This was the primary reason I purchased the game.

When I was 16 y/o I had enough time to check any mediocre game out there. Nowadays when I'm slightly older I'm looking only at the best of the best, picking the strawberries outta pie. No chance I would buy a game with MIXED reviews on steam. Open the reviews, make a fast scroll and it will become apparent this is not the game you want to spend your only 2 hours free a day, making good times roll. Of course if you are not a truly devoted fanboy.

So why is it happening? Do you think it's just the game aging and it's a natural process? Do you believe the rating will go up in the future?

I give you... The wisdom of the millennial.

reesenorman

Why is everyone who plays this game a ***?

Turelus

Kneighbors wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

[I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago.

I usually don't play a game for a whole year. It gets old.

I've been playing ESO now for 3 years.

I'm sorry ESO is no longer what you want it to be.

Can I have your stuff?

One of the really bad things about ESO rating and condition that the account prices simply collapsed on grey market. Now it will be really hard to sell maxed out ESO account full of characters for over a 150$. So yea "Can I have ur stuff" makes sense now. Many people who left the game simply won't give you their stuff just because they are greedy. They know very well that they will not come to play again and still they won't give\sell it.

Wait wait wait... Bad review scores are bad because it effects people doing RMT?

Teridaxus

- Crown prices rising in many countries
- Latest crown crate box revealed which push even further than the previous one
- Every crown house seem to be a ridicilous priced manor, clock work city got 2 another manours
- Dungeon dlcs are aimed at the best players and many feel left out
- 3 years later and zos still uses the sledgehammer balance path instead of doing small tweaks ( i still don't know why they do it like that but they practiced it before console release too so saving money is not the reason )
- Many qol chances and talked features are coming in snail pace and the item trait changing features seems to be very work extensive
- Ppv is still a train wreck, cyrodiil is either a pve campaign, competition is killed by nightcamping and uneven distrubted populations and exploiters which don't get punished, battleground needs to be a base game feature ( i own morrowind ) and need fixes and changes, not new game modes which doesn't matter because of the dead queues
- Speaking of queues, the dungeon finder is still a mess

Those come into my mind without even thinking probaly about this topic. This list can be a lot longer and affects many different groups of player, not just group x which can be silenced by the majority of happy players.

Smmokkee

If you ask me the game has only gotten progressively worse over time. There was a time when I would have no desire to play any game but eso. If it was anything like it use to be I'd probably still play the hell of it. Whats been done and continues to be done really turns me off from the game. Its been a long time since I played and I don't really plan to anytime soon.

DaveMoeDee

Kneighbors wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

[I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago.

I usually don't play a game for a whole year. It gets old.

I've been playing ESO now for 3 years.

I'm sorry ESO is no longer what you want it to be.

Can I have your stuff?

One of the really bad things about ESO rating and condition that the account prices simply collapsed on grey market. Now it will be really hard to sell maxed out ESO account full of characters for over a 150$. So yea "Can I have ur stuff" makes sense now. Many people who left the game simply won't give you their stuff just because they are greedy. They know very well that they will not come to play again and still they won't give\sell it.

Still trying to figure out if this is a Poe or serious. I mean, complaints about it being hard to sell accounts? SMH.

And people who don't give away their stuff are greedy? No, they aren't. People expecting it are.

If you feel cheated on this purchase, you have a personal issue. You weren't cheated in any way. You are not a victim here. Learn to accept accountability for your actions instead of falling back to a narrative that you were treated unfairly and it is someone else's fault. Who the hell cheated you? ZOS didn't write those reviews. And, no, the game is not significantly different from a year ago. People's feelings might be.

There was no injustice here. Maybe you feel disappointed. Welcome to life. It has a lot of disappointment. You will buy things you end up dissatisfied with. That is life. But either you like the game or you don't. If you don't, find a different game. If you do, enjoy the game.

DaveMoeDee

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).

A Steam sample of 20,000 players is about .002% of the entire ESO playerbase. Reliable?

You really thing it is only .002% of player base? How many people do you think have played the game? I have 2 accounts, so you can't go by just accounts. I know 2 people who bought game at launch and never played it. I don't know if unplayed Steam sale purchases are counted as accounts, though I am sure there are a lot of those.

Steam ratings are probably as good as any player ratings you will find.

Beardimus

People actually look at reviews??

Remember on launch fans bought it, as full price. Recently its been $5 and loads of people try it. People.not ready for an MMORPG.... I'm sure that will impact it.

But who cares really.

Turelus

So out of curiosity I went to read the actual recent negative reviews.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/306130/reviews/?browsefilter=mostrecent&snr=1_5_reviews_&p=1

There are some good points in there (balance, stability, rapid change in meta etc.), but a lot of these are also stupid or not even about ESO

Two recent reviews on the front page are complaints about Steam, not ESO.
A number of them are people complaining about the required install size being bigger than the game size.
One review was because they don't support DX10.
One complained it has shared loot and people can come and steal your loot.
Some complained it's not like Skyrim.

OP did you actually read the reviews or just look at the score?

Rulerkelso

You should read why those players are really complaining. Most of those new negative reviews relates to technical issues such as game is not updating properly or updating for half a day, launcher is functionless etc. I think there is outdated version on steam, there is the catch.
I bought the game few days ago on ESO page directly and did not have any of those mentioned problems

idk

Not sure why OP feels cheated.

First. that is only steam players. Second, you are looking at mostly recent steam players for the lower numbers, not the longer term players and again, only the more limited group of steam players.

Banana

Steam players are usually bitter.

Tasear

I never felt cheated by experience I got from game... though I am a bit ashamed I should probably update my review. I didn't quite appreciate game as I do now. While we might not always agree, It's truly a game loved by it's creators. I find the game to have immense amount of content and freedom and it just keeps growing.




P.S
The number of people you see is limited by number of frames you have. It's default is 8 per frame. You can change in user settings if you really want.

Narvuntien

Probably people mad about morrowind... both the patch and having to pay for it.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).

A Steam sample of 20,000 players is about .002% of the entire ESO playerbase. Reliable?

I'm afraid I have to agree. Steam is only a SMALL part of the ESO community. Plus the game was out for what, a year and a half before it was even on Steam?
Been here since launch and beta, and have seen LOTS of bad reviews (Remember Angry Joe's rage quit? Lol..after playing only to level 20?) and the Doomsday/ESO gonna die by Christmas reviews.
Well 3 years later it still going strong. Reviews are nothing but peoples opinion, and every one has a different one.
Yes, ESO has some issues, but name me one "Perfect" game.
I say forget what others think and make up our own minds.
Huzzah!

boggo

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

@Kneighbors , here's an idea; try playing the game and decide for yourself if it's good or not.
If you don't like it, then try whining and crying to Steam for a refund. You never know...
But make your own decision; don't get led around by your nose.

Don't get led around by your nose ? Is that a real expression ? Because your nose can warn you before you step in *** .


Also ignoring a problem does not address a problem . The OP posted to identify possible issues . Knowledge that could help ZoS if they decided to use it possibly . Telling people to whine and ask for refunds adds nothing to the conversation .

Yes, that's a real expression.

Ignoring what problem? Steam metrics is one of the worst places for an informed opinion.

I wasn't really trying to add to the conversation because the OP started out with a whiney tone, stating they feel cheated. The game has been out long enough for him, her, or they to do research on it and determine if they wanted to play it. I have no sympathy for these types of posters.

I feel cheated because it's a different game from the game that I bought one year ago. I feel cheated because today I wouldn't buy it by just looking at the rating (and yea Steam rating seems reliable to me).

As many players today I like hardcore gaming. It felt really fast paced at the state it was one year ago. Changing to sustain slowed down the hell out of the game and deteriorating performance became a dragging anchor. The game today feels like an old cell phone overloaded with junk apps, filled with performance glitches, many features not working anymore and while you hate you still continue using it. Now I can't blame manufacturer of the cellphone for that because they are not positioning it as AAA phone by that time while ESO is still trying to sell itself as an AAA game. Well its not. And that's why I feel cheated.

It is a AAA game though.

An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion.

Which ESO has. Just because it's not perfect and has bugs and issues doesn't mean it's not a AAA game. Pretty much every single AAA game on the market is buggy, cash grabs these days, doesn't make them less AAA.

Your fandom is overwhelming ... He says he "feels" cheated . These are all his feelings . Some will agree that in no way was he actually cheated by the developer and is just experiencing the usual MMO roller coaster ride of change .

Who comes up with this AAA rating system anyways ? I would like to register a complaint when I bought Age of Wushu a few years ago .

I never said he can't feel cheated, I just pointed out that no matter how cheated one feels you don't get to change the classification of AAA game.

As for where it came from the wiki article said "The term "AAA" began to be used in the late 1990s, with some development companies started using the expression at gaming conventions in the US." so I guess they started using it and everyone kept it going?

Another faceless entity in the gaming industry throwing wonton alphabet letters around the interwebz to describe their product with no quality control . I will start telling the locals my tacos are Triple A tacos then .

OP would buy them!

Saturnana

Did you actually read the negative reviews, to see if they really contain something that you'd agree with and that would impact your gameplay in a negative way? Because from what I can tell, over half of them are "OMG this isn't Skyrim, total fail!!", at which I say; Brilliant deduction, Watson. And that leads me to believe you haven't.

Apart from that, reviews are in no way meant to be used as a benchmark when buying games. They are people's opinions, and give no information regarding the game other than what your peers think is appropriate. It's a fluid percentage that goes up and down throughout time. Sure you could use that to decide not to purchase.. but you already have. Purchased, that is. Isn't it time for you to form your own opinion on the game and see how you like it? (Please also apply that advice on real-life, as any sane adult should not operate based on someone else's views).

Chilly-McFreeze

11 months in the forum, nearly 500 comments, over 70 discussions, 5 star forum rating so you're definitely not new here.
An attitude that is hostile against ZOS developers and community ambassadors,
demanding vet trial nerfs because playing on a crappy pc but also demanding a price dip because of in-game nerfs
and last but not least feeling cheating because some other guys rated the game into mediocrity after you played it for nearly a year or longer.

I've come to terms to not take you seriously anymore.

Jade1986

Kneighbors wrote: »

The overall rating is 79% positive while the latest 1k reviews are only 66% positive. Honestly, I feel cheated. When I purchased the game it was written OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE out there and the rating was above 85% positive. This was the primary reason I purchased the game.

When I was 16 y/o I had enough time to check any mediocre game out there. Nowadays when I'm slightly older I'm looking only at the best of the best, picking the strawberries outta pie. No chance I would buy a game with MIXED reviews on steam. Open the reviews, make a fast scroll and it will become apparent this is not the game you want to spend your only 2 hours free a day, making good times roll. Of course if you are not a truly devoted fanboy.

So why is it happening? Do you think it's just the game aging and it's a natural process? Do you believe the rating will go up in the future?

The rating you highlighted is in the last 30 days, look underneath, over 20k gave it mostly positive.