The "easy mode" viper tremor stamsorcs are gone. Good riddance.
I am on mine when I have time to play, a fairly unconventional alchemist build, and I am liking it since Morrowind. But I do think that wardens, magsorcs have better burst potential. Also survivability is not really a stamsorc's deal. How much Fengrush plays warden these days, says a lot.
You can definitely build a stamsorc with no darkdeal, given huge recovery benefits from bound armor. Keeping it at least on overload helps though.
Serjustin19 wrote: »My new sorc, has always been Magicka (minus stam heal) But my new Sorc is Bosmer. Haven't tried becoming Stam Sorc though. Stam is more, complicated for me; honestly. Instead of Magicka, in which; I'm so used to.
They're definitely more rare now, after the sustain nerfs in Morrowind they got much harder to play. As 2H builds I find they get really boring. I'm still having fun with as a stam sorc with SB and destro staff, toeing the hybrid line with 18k mag. It's trickier to play but a lot of fun.
it was the nerf to vitality pots that did the stam sorcs in. stam sorcs were the top 1vX class bringing high burst dmg while vitpots + rally + critsurge + shuffle + vigor made them hard to kill. add dodge rolling and LOS into all that, they were dam near impossible to kill.
now they are reduced to hitting and running unless you are running some kind of tank build with them. stamdks and wardens can brawl much better than the current stamsorc.
I don't feel like a stamsorc is made for extended engagements
Still you can be very successful at booming and zooming, and I think certain surge+resto ult/dw combos may be up for brawl. Otherwise yes, there are other better options for that.
But no better option for non-ganky melee hit and run.
People have gone off to chase the meta that someone told them exists now. Frankly, all classes were hit by the vitality nerf and the dark deal nerf was small. You don't need proc sets to kill in any format. You still have unparalleled mobility which was the stamsorc pillar before.
Speed_Kills wrote: »Stam Sorcs are not in a very good place right now in PVP. I feel like I'm one of 5 (maybe? I can't even name 5....) still maining it(or even playing it) on PC/NA. As stated earlier in the thread, other class just flat outperform it right now. I can beat most players, but I have to work a lot harder than other good players on different classes in order to succeed. Stamplar, stamden, Stam dk all have superior damage and tankiness. Stam nb has twice the burst potential and overall damage. Atleast we can glow and streak. Those are still pretty cool features.
Also, the stam sorc superior sustain argument is invalid unless your are not in combat. Competent players punish dark deal... whether solo or in outnumbered situations. In solo circumstances the best way I've found to successfully dark deal is by spamming slows and using streak to create distance. This can be countered by mashing a 1 button gap closer and spamming bash during its animation.
Unless they are stopped using hurricane I personally too see very few of them. I just thought they are all in noCP or BG, because they are so much better in that environment imo.
Unless they are stopped using hurricane I personally too see very few of them. I just thought they are all in noCP or BG, because they are so much better in that environment imo.
For what it's worth, you can't see other people's Hurricanes anymore. So not seeing them doesn't mean they're not there.
This is a very good point to bring up.
Dark deal is another skill that is vastly overrated. It has a 1.2 sec cast time and I feel that many people don't understand just how long that actually is until you use the skill, most skills have an instant cast time.
Dark deal's cast time means that it is a no go while in combat, unless you're fighting one of Cyrodiil's Top 10 Scrubbiest of 2017.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Unless they are stopped using hurricane I personally too see very few of them. I just thought they are all in noCP or BG, because they are so much better in that environment imo.
For what it's worth, you can't see other people's Hurricanes anymore. So not seeing them doesn't mean they're not there.
Only on members of your own alliance. But then you'd probably see other class defining skills of stam sorcs like streak. Plus that class symbol next to their name (don't even know if this is from an add-on). Enemie's Hurricane is still visible.
Dark deal is very hard to get off against decent players and that interrupt animation is brutal. Also, it can be bashed from really far away and it seems to to work even after the animation is finished and the buff tracker says it's complete so it may be bugged. Just because I can sit in front of some players face and spam it doesn't mean it's overpowered. That's on them as the move has some pretty easy counterplay against it. If I'm spamming it I also don't have enough magicka to streak so I'm making a trade-off there. Stam sorcs only have two stamina skills period to choose from, bound armaments and hurricane. Hurricane is a great move, bound is nice but requires two slots which is a very high price to pay. We need at least a couple more class stam moves. I don't want them to make stam sorcs overpowered, but it feels like we need just one or two more viable options for build diversity. I mean look at stam wardens and nightblades. They have so many moves to use for their stam counterpart. I want the class to be given more choices and made stronger though being able to make unique builds centered around a class definable ability not just arbitrarily buffed.