what happend to all the stam sorcs??

Sarousse

Because my stam warden has stamina direct damage skills, can protect groupmates, can backheal, etc...

So much better, so much funnier.

montiferus

Izaki wrote: »

In PvE? There are still some. But Stam DK is better in terms of sustain and Stamblade is better in terms of ST DPS.

lol u know this is a PVP thread right?

montiferus

i will say stam sorc is at its lowest point in a while. All the other stam classes are superior. Part of the reason I stay on it is becasue it is my highest ranking toon. A buddy of mine switched to stam warden and he is absolutely wrecking on it. Stamden seems to be the new go to class.

nCats

The "easy mode" viper tremor stamsorcs are gone. Good riddance.

I am on mine when I have time to play, a fairly unconventional alchemist build, and I am liking it since Morrowind. But I do think that wardens, magsorcs have better burst potential. Also survivability is not really a stamsorc's deal. How much Fengrush plays warden these days, says a lot.

You can definitely build a stamsorc with no darkdeal, given huge recovery benefits from bound armor. Keeping it at least on overload helps though.

Waffennacht

nCats wrote: »

The "easy mode" viper tremor stamsorcs are gone. Good riddance.

I am on mine when I have time to play, a fairly unconventional alchemist build, and I am liking it since Morrowind. But I do think that wardens, magsorcs have better burst potential. Also survivability is not really a stamsorc's deal. How much Fengrush plays warden these days, says a lot.

You can definitely build a stamsorc with no darkdeal, given huge recovery benefits from bound armor. Keeping it at least on overload helps though.

Many players dropped their builds because of the proc set nerfs. Apparently they don't know you can kill without proc sets...

Serjustin19

My new sorc, has always been Magicka (minus stam heal) But my new Sorc is Bosmer. Haven't tried becoming Stam Sorc though. Stam is more, complicated for me; honestly. Instead of Magicka, in which; I'm so used to.

Betsararie

Serjustin19 wrote: »

My new sorc, has always been Magicka (minus stam heal) But my new Sorc is Bosmer. Haven't tried becoming Stam Sorc though. Stam is more, complicated for me; honestly. Instead of Magicka, in which; I'm so used to.

Well that's just not optimal, wood elf is for use for stam builds.

You should either change your race, or switch to stam

Vapirko

They're definitely more rare now, after the sustain nerfs in Morrowind they got much harder to play. As 2H builds I find they get really boring. I'm still having fun with as a stam sorc with SB and destro staff, toeing the hybrid line with 18k mag. It's trickier to play but a lot of fun.

nCats

Vapirko wrote: »

They're definitely more rare now, after the sustain nerfs in Morrowind they got much harder to play. As 2H builds I find they get really boring. I'm still having fun with as a stam sorc with SB and destro staff, toeing the hybrid line with 18k mag. It's trickier to play but a lot of fun.

Seems interesting, how so you kill people?

I guess it indeed depends on whether you like a particular weapon skills lineup. I'm fine with dizzy as I like slow but steady burst. And I like to go in, boom, go out, I don't feel like a stamsorc is made for extended engagements. Looking forward to asylum 2h.

For a dual wield setup, i would actually think of a simple viper hundings domihaus kena setup (replace viper with blooddrinker if possible), lots of damage over time. Farming one viper axe would be ideal. New master weapons will make a fine addition next patch to this combo.

Mazbt

The meta ones left to play something easier. I still see the original ones around.

saiyan_84

it was the nerf to vitality pots that did the stam sorcs in. stam sorcs were the top 1vX class bringing high burst dmg while vitpots + rally + critsurge + shuffle + vigor made them hard to kill. add dodge rolling and LOS into all that, they were dam near impossible to kill.

now they are reduced to hitting and running unless you are running some kind of tank build with them. stamdks and wardens can brawl much better than the current stamsorc.

nCats

saiyan_84 wrote: »

it was the nerf to vitality pots that did the stam sorcs in. stam sorcs were the top 1vX class bringing high burst dmg while vitpots + rally + critsurge + shuffle + vigor made them hard to kill. add dodge rolling and LOS into all that, they were dam near impossible to kill.

now they are reduced to hitting and running unless you are running some kind of tank build with them. stamdks and wardens can brawl much better than the current stamsorc.

I feel that more of a problem is the out of control tankiness and healing of magplars, magdens and shieldstackers. Stamsorcs should not run 100% major vitality uptime, that is too much.

Still you can be very successful at booming and zooming, and I think certain surge+resto ult/dw combos may be up for brawl. Otherwise yes, there are other better options for that.

But no better option for non-ganky melee hit and run.

Betsararie

nCats wrote: »

I don't feel like a stamsorc is made for extended engagements

It's definitely not, was just fighting one last night and his initial burst was good, but after a while I just outlasted him and when you're ready to go in for the kill they're so squishy they can go down fast.

They have all the squishiness of NB without defensive capability of cloak.

Chilly-McFreeze

I saw only a handful of stam sorcs this week in PvP (granted, I didn't play as much as usual) and one of them was me. But I was happy since that's more than I usually encounter.

nCats wrote: »

Still you can be very successful at booming and zooming, and I think certain surge+resto ult/dw combos may be up for brawl. Otherwise yes, there are other better options for that.

But no better option for non-ganky melee hit and run.

DW & Resto is just what I try right now after coming back from a hybrid sorc try out but heals in between resto ults are a bit lackluster and keeping light's champion up locks me out of an offensive ult. The other guys I saw all ran SnB/2h.

Skinzz

I started playing my stam sorc recently after 6 months or so. Still pretty fun/strong in heavy

nCats

I run good old 2h/bow, lots of stats in all departments at the stake of bound armor and alchemist.

Squishiness is definitely a thing, although with some opponents you can get the upper hand by controlling them through streaks and then dodging their gapcloses.

Honestly, after playing stamdk and stamplar I feel like neither of them is my cup of tea. I like the ability to be mobile the stamsorc way. I think stamsorcs are fine (I d like though they make the overload on/off more reliable, as well as streak), what is out of control is tankiness and healiness (especially when both), especially in CP. The latter is done by some skilled players to resist zerging aka 95% of open world pvp these days. Removing aoe caps would be a good first step to fight with it, but that's another story.

Adenoma

People have gone off to chase the meta that someone told them exists now. Frankly, all classes were hit by the vitality nerf and the dark deal nerf was small. You don't need proc sets to kill in any format. You still have unparalleled mobility which was the stamsorc pillar before.

nCats

Adenoma wrote: »

People have gone off to chase the meta that someone told them exists now. Frankly, all classes were hit by the vitality nerf and the dark deal nerf was small. You don't need proc sets to kill in any format. You still have unparalleled mobility which was the stamsorc pillar before.

Pretty much.

Adenoma

I've got a few friends that are always trying to chase what someone else said was the meta. They always end up farming gear/gold to put it together, barely playing the class, getting frustrated, and then moving onto the next iteration.

I've found it really fun to just commit to something of my own creation. Build it, learn it, and profit.

Speed_Kills

Stam Sorcs are not in a very good place right now in PVP. I feel like I'm one of 5 (maybe? I can't even name 5....) still maining it(or even playing it) on PC/NA. As stated earlier in the thread, other classes just flat outperform it right now. I can beat most players, but I have to work a lot harder than other good players on different classes in order to succeed. Stamplar, stamden, Stam dk all have superior damage and tankiness. Stam nb has twice the burst potential and overall damage. Atleast we can glow and streak. Those are still pretty cool features.

Also, the stam sorc superior sustain argument is invalid unless your are not in combat. Competent players punish dark deal... whether solo or in outnumbered situations. In solo circumstances the best way I've found to successfully dark deal is by spamming slows and using streak to create distance. This can be countered by mashing a 1 button gap closer and spamming bash during its animation.

Vapirko

@nCats very easily actually. It's a fairly effective build. On my SB bar buffed I have 3k wpn damage and 44.5k stam. That's plenty of damage. I have major fracture from SB line and I use DB as my burst/execute. It's also a tanky build wirh 26k health. Bound armaments and wall of elements boost my heavy attack damage and I'm working on gettin EOTS to work in conjunction with hurricane when in a 1vX situation.

Betsararie

Speed_Kills wrote: »

Stam Sorcs are not in a very good place right now in PVP. I feel like I'm one of 5 (maybe? I can't even name 5....) still maining it(or even playing it) on PC/NA. As stated earlier in the thread, other class just flat outperform it right now. I can beat most players, but I have to work a lot harder than other good players on different classes in order to succeed. Stamplar, stamden, Stam dk all have superior damage and tankiness. Stam nb has twice the burst potential and overall damage. Atleast we can glow and streak. Those are still pretty cool features.

Also, the stam sorc superior sustain argument is invalid unless your are not in combat. Competent players punish dark deal... whether solo or in outnumbered situations. In solo circumstances the best way I've found to successfully dark deal is by spamming slows and using streak to create distance. This can be countered by mashing a 1 button gap closer and spamming bash during its animation.

This is a very good point to bring up.

Dark deal is another skill that is vastly overrated. It has a 1.2 sec cast time and I feel that many people don't understand just how long that actually is until you use the skill, most skills have an instant cast time.

Dark deal's cast time means that it is a no go while in combat, unless you're fighting one of Cyrodiil's Top 10 Scrubbiest of 2017.

Ilsabet

SodanTok wrote: »

Unless they are stopped using hurricane I personally too see very few of them. I just thought they are all in noCP or BG, because they are so much better in that environment imo.

For what it's worth, you can't see other people's Hurricanes anymore. So not seeing them doesn't mean they're not there.

Rainraven

Turelus wrote: »

People moved onto the new fad maybe?

Yep. They're all stamdens now.

Chilly-McFreeze

Ilsabet wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Unless they are stopped using hurricane I personally too see very few of them. I just thought they are all in noCP or BG, because they are so much better in that environment imo.

For what it's worth, you can't see other people's Hurricanes anymore. So not seeing them doesn't mean they're not there.

Only on members of your own alliance. But then you'd probably see other class defining skills of stam sorcs like streak. Plus that class symbol next to their name (don't even know if this is from an add-on). Enemie's Hurricane is still visible.

Blanco wrote: »

This is a very good point to bring up.

Dark deal is another skill that is vastly overrated. It has a 1.2 sec cast time and I feel that many people don't understand just how long that actually is until you use the skill, most skills have an instant cast time.

Dark deal's cast time means that it is a no go while in combat, unless you're fighting one of Cyrodiil's Top 10 Scrubbiest of 2017.

Plus that 0.2s of locking you out of skill usage and bar swapping after the 1.2s. It's horrible to use against anyone with a bit of skill.



While I find sS still somewhat amusing for it's mobility I'm really bothered by how I'm striclty bound to my weapons. On other classes you've got much more freedom of choice due to class intern spams or executes. Also half of the class passives are rendered (at least somewhat) useless.

KingJ

I never have a problem dark dealing with shuffle up I'm lucky enough to have it proc and it dodges most players bash,or the bash just doesn't work when fighting some stam sorc.Magsorc its harder to get DD off but in general never had a issue.

Ilsabet

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Unless they are stopped using hurricane I personally too see very few of them. I just thought they are all in noCP or BG, because they are so much better in that environment imo.

For what it's worth, you can't see other people's Hurricanes anymore. So not seeing them doesn't mean they're not there.

Only on members of your own alliance. But then you'd probably see other class defining skills of stam sorcs like streak. Plus that class symbol next to their name (don't even know if this is from an add-on). Enemie's Hurricane is still visible.

Oh that's true, I hadn't considered that the person was probably also looking at bad guys.

jaysins

Dark deal is very hard to get off against decent players and that interrupt animation is brutal. Also, it can be bashed from really far away and it seems to to work even after the animation is finished and the buff tracker says it's complete so it may be bugged. Just because I can sit in front of some players face and spam it doesn't mean it's overpowered. That's on them as the move has some pretty easy counterplay against it. If I'm spamming it I also don't have enough magicka to streak so I'm making a trade-off there. Stam sorcs only have two stamina skills period to choose from, bound armaments and hurricane. Hurricane is a great move, bound is nice but requires two slots which is a very high price to pay. We need at least a couple more class stam moves. I don't want them to make stam sorcs overpowered, but it feels like we need just one or two more viable options for build diversity. I mean look at stam wardens and nightblades. They have so many moves to use for their stam counterpart. I want the class to be given more choices and made stronger though being able to make unique builds centered around a class definable ability not just arbitrarily buffed.

Betsararie

jaysins wrote: »

Dark deal is very hard to get off against decent players and that interrupt animation is brutal. Also, it can be bashed from really far away and it seems to to work even after the animation is finished and the buff tracker says it's complete so it may be bugged. Just because I can sit in front of some players face and spam it doesn't mean it's overpowered. That's on them as the move has some pretty easy counterplay against it. If I'm spamming it I also don't have enough magicka to streak so I'm making a trade-off there. Stam sorcs only have two stamina skills period to choose from, bound armaments and hurricane. Hurricane is a great move, bound is nice but requires two slots which is a very high price to pay. We need at least a couple more class stam moves. I don't want them to make stam sorcs overpowered, but it feels like we need just one or two more viable options for build diversity. I mean look at stam wardens and nightblades. They have so many moves to use for their stam counterpart. I want the class to be given more choices and made stronger though being able to make unique builds centered around a class definable ability not just arbitrarily buffed.

A stam version of streak would be very interesting, and something they should maybe look into.

That alone would help the class tremendously.

jaysins

I just think stamina dragon knights and sorcerers should get a spamming attack. The other three classes have viable stamina morphs for their main spammable. It'd add so much diversity to builds.