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MajBludd · September 2017

And I assume you mean @Itsnotarealwar stopped playing @Stridig

Stridig · September 2017

So if you take your time and read the content of the posts in this thread, you will find on this very page where I talked about this. I admitted that I had never really considered what it was like until I saw it from a new person's perspective. And why do you always have to talk ***. Just ATTEMPT to be civil for crying out loud.

Stridig · September 2017

MajBludd wrote: »

And I assume you mean @Itsnotarealwar stopped playing @Stridig

Yes

MajBludd · September 2017

That sucks, he was cool. Got to play with him a few times.

Stridig · September 2017

MajBludd wrote: »

That sucks, he was cool. Got to play with him a few times.

Yeah he quit the day he was defending bleakers with 1 other person against some pretty well known players that t-bagged him afterwards. He had played just over a month. That day, when I saw who was involved, was the day I left my PvP guild and pretty much stopped playing.

MajBludd · September 2017

Yeah, I see a lot more T bagging going on lately. Or maybe I've been getting T bagged more lately, lol

vamp_emily · September 2017

Stridig wrote: »

So if you take your time and read the content of the posts in this thread, you will find on this very page where I talked about this. I admitted that I had never really considered what it was like until I saw it from a new person's perspective. And why do you always have to talk ***. Just ATTEMPT to be civil for crying out loud.

Maybe you should look in the mirror , why do you have to make bait posts like this "Adding some much needed value to the conversation as usual." I thought I was being civil when I made my comment that many players experience losses from good players and still play the game.

Stridig · September 2017

vamp_emily wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

So if you take your time and read the content of the posts in this thread, you will find on this very page where I talked about this. I admitted that I had never really considered what it was like until I saw it from a new person's perspective. And why do you always have to talk ***. Just ATTEMPT to be civil for crying out loud.

Maybe you should look in the mirror , why do you have to make bait posts like this "Adding some much needed value to the conversation as usual." I thought I was being civil when I made my comment that many players experience losses from good players and still play the game.

Forget it. You're right and I do apologize. I thought your whole "bro what's your build" stuff was an attempt to bait. Forgive me.

vamp_emily · September 2017

Stridig wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

So if you take your time and read the content of the posts in this thread, you will find on this very page where I talked about this. I admitted that I had never really considered what it was like until I saw it from a new person's perspective. And why do you always have to talk ***. Just ATTEMPT to be civil for crying out loud.

Maybe you should look in the mirror , why do you have to make bait posts like this "Adding some much needed value to the conversation as usual." I thought I was being civil when I made my comment that many players experience losses from good players and still play the game.

Forget it. You're right and I do apologize. I thought your whole "bro what's your build" stuff was an attempt to bait. Forgive me.

The only reason why I said that is because I use to hang around wolf all the time. He always talked about builds and sometimes would be out somewhere talking to the enemy about builds.

Stridig · September 2017

Ok. My apologies

Adenoma · September 2017

Just an appraisal of the organized guilds that run in nonvet from a now-outsider: they're good enough to compete in vet, but nobody is playing organized enough to compete super well in vet. I'm including GoNB in this. We've had some success in vet, but largely don't run as a guild besides a couple nights a week and it seems like a lot of folks are easily frustrated by the vet meta. I don't blame them because it's definitely a different cup of tea and to a person who is going to go into Kyne in purple/gold gear it's going to be far more enjoyable to solo and 1vX in there. In part it's that solo ability in Kyne that contributes to worse play in vet because people get sloppy and feel more at home yoloing when they're going to get encased, destro ulted, and counter bombed. Even more commonly, people who play nonvet forget that the meta in vet is different and there are A LOT of burst ults.

I enjoy that gameplay a lot more than BwB, although I really miss the people (that's why I comment back here and I suspect why @Stridig does too). I've been able to solo just as much and have the same success in Sotha. I think that there is a deeper pool of strong players, but there is also a deeper pool of very new/inexperienced PvPers. I'm sure that I'm going to stick to no-CP no matter what until I stop playing. It's been really fun to finally find one class that I enjoy for both solo and small group PvP and I'm intending on sticking with it too.

But I do feel like if I went back to nonvet on a stamina warden setup like the one I run now it would be incredibly unfair to new players and I wouldn't really improve their experience or learn anything new that'd improve my gameplay. Once you're pretty solid at 1vX in Kyne that unless you've taken an interest and role in educating new players (heck, that's how GoNB started) you should mosey your way to vet PvP. If you're serving no educational purpose to new players then you're just there for self-esteem.

DCeiver0 · September 2017

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

It also doesn't help when new people come in and have to fight established guilds in all purple and gold gear. Most people will deny it but gold weapons, at a minimum, are used by a large majority of the people that re-roll to stay in BwB. It's usually the people who claim to be in all blue gear that are just very good with their rotation. Pretty hard for new people to compete against that. That's why @Itsnotarealwar left. Nobody should be able to 1v6 or 1v8 in this campaign. If they can they need to move on and let noobs be noobs.

I wish I could afford gold weapons in BWB. I only own a single gold item; a CP160 Hunding's Sword. I do have a lot of purple gear I use for BWB though. Maybe I am part of the problem...

That's not it at all man. I had a chance to watch a friend be new to the game and knowing what I know, but seeing it from his perspective, I felt pretty guilty. I watched 5 or 6 of my own guild members wipe a group of 16 EP in open field battle. That's when I knew that a new person has no chance at all. We have at a minimum 1 year more experience in PvP and some of us up to 3 more than a new person. An organized guild group in all purple and some gold is demoralizing to new people. I never thought of it until I saw it from a different perspective. That's perhaps 1 reason many new people don't stick around. That's all I was really saying.

I don't know, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I actually didn't mind getting completely smoked when I first started playing. It gave me something to aspire to. I always thought "wow, these people are so good, I want to get better so I can be the one running around killing everybody." But I also tend to be pretty competitive and when I decide I want to be good at something, I am willing to go through plenty of growing pains to get there. I don't know that a ton of new players feel the same way though. But then again, if potential PVPers don't have at least somewhat of a competitive mindset, are they really going to stick around that long anyways? If BWB didn't have people with years of experience wearing purple and gold gear, and the campaign did cater more towards "noobs," what would happen when they got into Vet PVP? Would they be met with the same harsh reality they experience now when they enter BWB and get steamrolled by experienced players? Would they just stay in BWB and ultimately become the ones steamrolling new players? I definitely agree that PVP can be very difficult for new players to get into, but I'm not sure how big of a problem it is, and if it is something even worth addressing. Many PVP games can ease new players into everything with a matchmaking system so they will typically be playing against people at a similar skill level, but that is obviously something you can't do with open-world PVP.

I know I'm kind of rambling at this point, but it is pretty interesting to think about. Personally, I don't think this is something that ZOS really needs to address, and I don't think it is fair to ask that other players intentionally handicap themselves for the sake of new players. I think the best way to improve the new-player experience is to have veteran players who are willing to take time to help out new players, whether it be teaching them game mechanics, helping them get gear, inviting them into groups, whatever. I mean, for as long as I can remember, BWB has had plenty of new players and strong experienced players, and the campaign is still alive to this day. Something must be encouraging new players to stick around, and I think more than anything it is the community. I've met plenty of super friendly, helpful people who have crafted me gear, given me build advice, explained combat mechanics, etc., and ever since I've been in a position to do so, I've always tried to pay it forward by doing the same for other new players. As long as people continue to "pass the torch" in that regard, I still think that plenty of new players will come to Cyrodiil and stick around for the long haul.

Stop taking the words right out of my mouth evil twin. And why haven't I seen you around lately?!

I understand the perspective of getting just obliterated by a skilled group, but I think more importantly is the experience a new player has within their own faction. Finding a group with a competent leader does so much to keep new players invested in the campaign, the faction and becoming a better team player in PVP.

For me those people were Saber, Raknosh and actually Sora. It completely revitalized my interest in the game at the time and I'm still playing 2 years later.

W0lf_z13 · September 2017

vamp_emily wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

So if you take your time and read the content of the posts in this thread, you will find on this very page where I talked about this. I admitted that I had never really considered what it was like until I saw it from a new person's perspective. And why do you always have to talk ***. Just ATTEMPT to be civil for crying out loud.

Maybe you should look in the mirror , why do you have to make bait posts like this "Adding some much needed value to the conversation as usual." I thought I was being civil when I made my comment that many players experience losses from good players and still play the game.

Forget it. You're right and I do apologize. I thought your whole "bro what's your build" stuff was an attempt to bait. Forgive me.

The only reason why I said that is because I use to hang around wolf all the time. He always talked about builds and sometimes would be out somewhere talking to the enemy about builds.

TRUE story ... there were a couple of people i would talk to from ad and ep

vamp_emily · September 2017

I think players have their own reason why they play in Kyne and it is not just because of self-esteem. I believe a few of the complaints were lag and ball groups. A lot of people that play in Kyne have played in Vet campaigns and still do. There is a good chance they don't move on because they enjoy the kyne community.

I know some of you have your sobby stories how it is the end of the world for noobs, but let me tell you something I heard recently in Kyne.

It was a few weeks ago, we had a non stop 3 hour battle with EP at ales. When we were repairing the wall, a noob spoke out in chat and said something like. "Wow, this is my first time playing PvP. PvP is awesome". That one comment turned into a conversation how players thought ESO had the best PvP.

The way this game is set up, you can have fun in Kyne even with experienced ( OP ) players. If I can't beat the OP player, I ask for help. If my help can't beat them, then I call the zerg. However, most times people don't show up, so I have to die and cry in zone chat.

Stridig · September 2017

It's easy for established players to talk about all of the reasons for this and that. All I'm saying is not all people, especially some new people, have the same experience. It's a fundamentally different game for them. Is it a huge problem? I don't think so. I was simply sharing the perspective of a brand new player that chose to play on EP. I hang around the forum for the Kyne conmunity. But I am part of the community. An outsider or new player that questions anybody in this community gets roughed up pretty bad. And yes I am attempting to stick up for @Itsnotarealwar because he is my friend. Carry on.

W0lf_z13 · September 2017

vamp_emily wrote: »

I think players have their own reason why they play in Kyne and it is not just because of self-esteem. I believe a few of the complaints were lag and ball groups. A lot of people that play in Kyne have played in Vet campaigns and still do. There is a good chance they don't move on because they enjoy the kyne community.

I know some of you have your sobby stories how it is the end of the world for noobs, but let me tell you something I heard recently in Kyne.

It was a few weeks ago, we had a non stop 3 hour battle with EP at ales. When we were repairing the wall, a noob spoke out in chat and said something like. "Wow, this is my first time playing PvP. PvP is awesome". That one comment turned into a conversation how players thought ESO had the best PvP.

The way this game is set up, you can have fun in Kyne even with experienced ( OP ) players. If I can't beat the OP player, I ask for help. If my help can't beat them, then I call the zerg. However, most times people don't show up, so I have to die and cry in zone chat.

I actually remember that being said ... that was a crazy battle and everyone was cheering after it

DeadlyRecluse · September 2017

Honestly I came back to BWB about 1.5 years ago because it had high pop (at the time) with no lag.

I can't justify playing in there currently, with 2 bars being "busy." In spring 2016, we could run a pretty organized group and intentionally put ourselves in situations where we would have good fights before wiping to either hordes of new players, or similiar sized groups of experienced players.

I've popped into Kyne 3 or 4 times in the last month--the population just isn't the same. If I/we brought a guild group back in there proper, we would be mainly mowing down new players--and mainly 6v1ing them, to be perfectly honest--then occasionally wiping to a 20 man semi-organized group that is what passes for a faction stack in Kyne at the moment.. I just don't see the point. Neither of those outcomes are particularly fun.

I'm not saying that I agree with @stridig on every particular, but I do agree that running any kind of actual organized group in Kyne at the moment is borderline unethical, and certainly unfun--I would argue that wasn't the case some time ago (and probably won't always be the case in the future).

What really frustrates me (and I've talked to other Kyne-affiliated guild leads on other alliances who experience the same thing) is how firmly entrenched people get there. As Badenoma mentioned, I run guild groups in sotha 2x a week, scheduled and everything. We get good turnout for those, and we are pretty successful--but the rest of the week people tend to go back and run in Kyne, which doesn't help them learn their vet builds, learn to mitigate destrobomb burst, etc. etc.

Individuals rerolling to playing solo in there to 1vX I've never really understood. It's almost never impressive and you don't learn how to actually fight outnumbered.

W0lf_z13 · September 2017

Stridig wrote: »

It's easy for established players to talk about all of the reasons for this and that. All I'm saying is not all people, especially some new people, have the same experience. It's a fundamentally different game for them. Is it a huge problem? I don't think so. I was simply sharing the perspective of a brand new player that chose to play on EP. I hang around the forum for the Kyne conmunity. But I am part of the community. An outsider or new player that questions anybody in this community gets roughed up pretty bad. And yes I am attempting to stick up for @Itsnotarealwar because he is my friend. Carry on.

yeah, brand new player on EP could be very difficult ... i havent been playing much pvp lately ( been farming and testing things ) ive stepped into kyne a few times ... but not for too long .... played a few hours in sotha yesterday ... was slightly boring ... might try a different campaign

TipsyDrow · September 2017

I personally don't care who you are. Even I hate you face

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Honestly I came back to BWB about 1.5 years ago because it had high pop (at the time) with no lag.

I can't justify playing in there currently, with 2 bars being "busy." In spring 2016, we could run a pretty organized group and intentionally put ourselves in situations where we would have good fights before wiping to either hordes of new players, or similiar sized groups of experienced players.

I've popped into Kyne 3 or 4 times in the last month--the population just isn't the same. If I/we brought a guild group back in there proper, we would be mainly mowing down new players--and mainly 6v1ing them, to be perfectly honest--then occasionally wiping to a 20 man semi-organized group that is what passes for a faction stack in Kyne at the moment.. I just don't see the point. Neither of those outcomes are particularly fun.

I'm not saying that I agree with @stridig on every particular, but I do agree that running any kind of actual organized group in Kyne at the moment is borderline unethical, and certainly unfun--I would argue that wasn't the case some time ago (and probably won't always be the case in the future).

What really frustrates me (and I've talked to other Kyne-affiliated guild leads on other alliances who experience the same thing) is how firmly entrenched people get there. As Badenoma mentioned, I run guild groups in sotha 2x a week, scheduled and everything. We get good turnout for those, and we are pretty successful--but the rest of the week people tend to go back and run in Kyne, which doesn't help them learn their vet builds, learn to mitigate destrobomb burst, etc. etc.

Individuals rerolling to playing solo in there to 1vX I've never really understood. It's almost never impressive and you don't learn how to actually fight outnumbered.

Mitigating the destro ult zerg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUkRatOSxaI

Adenoma · September 2017

But I like you @TipsyDrow .

I'll admit that when I went vet I had less fun for about a week and dreaded playing solo. Now I'm pretty intimately acquainted with my finally-settled build (though still thinking of 2h for forward momentum) and I feel like things are more or less the same but now I'm Major Adenoma the Pooh and soon Centurian.

Still sad I didn't just name him Badenoma, @DeadlyRecluse . I just really had hoped the bear ult would be more like a Selene's proc and not a pet. I still think it should be a single target/cone AOE burst ult so that we don't have to run dawnbreaker for that role.

DeadlyRecluse · September 2017

TipsyDrow wrote: »

I personally don't care who you are. Even I hate you face

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Honestly I came back to BWB about 1.5 years ago because it had high pop (at the time) with no lag.

I can't justify playing in there currently, with 2 bars being "busy." In spring 2016, we could run a pretty organized group and intentionally put ourselves in situations where we would have good fights before wiping to either hordes of new players, or similiar sized groups of experienced players.

I've popped into Kyne 3 or 4 times in the last month--the population just isn't the same. If I/we brought a guild group back in there proper, we would be mainly mowing down new players--and mainly 6v1ing them, to be perfectly honest--then occasionally wiping to a 20 man semi-organized group that is what passes for a faction stack in Kyne at the moment.. I just don't see the point. Neither of those outcomes are particularly fun.

I'm not saying that I agree with @stridig on every particular, but I do agree that running any kind of actual organized group in Kyne at the moment is borderline unethical, and certainly unfun--I would argue that wasn't the case some time ago (and probably won't always be the case in the future).

What really frustrates me (and I've talked to other Kyne-affiliated guild leads on other alliances who experience the same thing) is how firmly entrenched people get there. As Badenoma mentioned, I run guild groups in sotha 2x a week, scheduled and everything. We get good turnout for those, and we are pretty successful--but the rest of the week people tend to go back and run in Kyne, which doesn't help them learn their vet builds, learn to mitigate destrobomb burst, etc. etc.

Individuals rerolling to playing solo in there to 1vX I've never really understood. It's almost never impressive and you don't learn how to actually fight outnumbered.

Mitigating the destro ult zerg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUkRatOSxaI

The best part is that's legitimately what I meant.

gabriebe · September 2017

Honestly part of the reason I play vet a lot more these days is because I enjoy screwing up those destro ults bombs with my little healing blood cloud. That earthgore set is so fun.

ColoursYouHave · September 2017

DCeiver0 wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

It also doesn't help when new people come in and have to fight established guilds in all purple and gold gear. Most people will deny it but gold weapons, at a minimum, are used by a large majority of the people that re-roll to stay in BwB. It's usually the people who claim to be in all blue gear that are just very good with their rotation. Pretty hard for new people to compete against that. That's why @Itsnotarealwar left. Nobody should be able to 1v6 or 1v8 in this campaign. If they can they need to move on and let noobs be noobs.

I wish I could afford gold weapons in BWB. I only own a single gold item; a CP160 Hunding's Sword. I do have a lot of purple gear I use for BWB though. Maybe I am part of the problem...

That's not it at all man. I had a chance to watch a friend be new to the game and knowing what I know, but seeing it from his perspective, I felt pretty guilty. I watched 5 or 6 of my own guild members wipe a group of 16 EP in open field battle. That's when I knew that a new person has no chance at all. We have at a minimum 1 year more experience in PvP and some of us up to 3 more than a new person. An organized guild group in all purple and some gold is demoralizing to new people. I never thought of it until I saw it from a different perspective. That's perhaps 1 reason many new people don't stick around. That's all I was really saying.

I don't know, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I actually didn't mind getting completely smoked when I first started playing. It gave me something to aspire to. I always thought "wow, these people are so good, I want to get better so I can be the one running around killing everybody." But I also tend to be pretty competitive and when I decide I want to be good at something, I am willing to go through plenty of growing pains to get there. I don't know that a ton of new players feel the same way though. But then again, if potential PVPers don't have at least somewhat of a competitive mindset, are they really going to stick around that long anyways? If BWB didn't have people with years of experience wearing purple and gold gear, and the campaign did cater more towards "noobs," what would happen when they got into Vet PVP? Would they be met with the same harsh reality they experience now when they enter BWB and get steamrolled by experienced players? Would they just stay in BWB and ultimately become the ones steamrolling new players? I definitely agree that PVP can be very difficult for new players to get into, but I'm not sure how big of a problem it is, and if it is something even worth addressing. Many PVP games can ease new players into everything with a matchmaking system so they will typically be playing against people at a similar skill level, but that is obviously something you can't do with open-world PVP.

I know I'm kind of rambling at this point, but it is pretty interesting to think about. Personally, I don't think this is something that ZOS really needs to address, and I don't think it is fair to ask that other players intentionally handicap themselves for the sake of new players. I think the best way to improve the new-player experience is to have veteran players who are willing to take time to help out new players, whether it be teaching them game mechanics, helping them get gear, inviting them into groups, whatever. I mean, for as long as I can remember, BWB has had plenty of new players and strong experienced players, and the campaign is still alive to this day. Something must be encouraging new players to stick around, and I think more than anything it is the community. I've met plenty of super friendly, helpful people who have crafted me gear, given me build advice, explained combat mechanics, etc., and ever since I've been in a position to do so, I've always tried to pay it forward by doing the same for other new players. As long as people continue to "pass the torch" in that regard, I still think that plenty of new players will come to Cyrodiil and stick around for the long haul.

Stop taking the words right out of my mouth evil twin. And why haven't I seen you around lately?!

Hey now. You're the evil twin; I'm the good one. And I stopped playing ESO right around Morrowind's release when I started playing this game I'm sure everybody has heard of by now called Playerunknown's Battlegrounds. I had honestly been feeling burnt out with ESO for quite a while before that, but finding a new game I really liked finally pushed me to take an extended hiatus. I've tried playing ESO again a couple times since then, but I just couldn't find myself getting into it and enjoying it like I used to. Then lately there have been some changes with my job and I haven't really had time to play any games over at least the past month or so (though I'd still like to play some PUBG with @Stridig whenever I finally get some free time).

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

So if you take your time and read the content of the posts in this thread, you will find on this very page where I talked about this. I admitted that I had never really considered what it was like until I saw it from a new person's perspective. And why do you always have to talk ***. Just ATTEMPT to be civil for crying out loud.

Maybe you should look in the mirror , why do you have to make bait posts like this "Adding some much needed value to the conversation as usual." I thought I was being civil when I made my comment that many players experience losses from good players and still play the game.

Forget it. You're right and I do apologize. I thought your whole "bro what's your build" stuff was an attempt to bait. Forgive me.

The only reason why I said that is because I use to hang around wolf all the time. He always talked about builds and sometimes would be out somewhere talking to the enemy about builds.

TRUE story ... there were a couple of people i would talk to from ad and ep

I've always enjoyed chatting with members of other alliances, especially after a really good fight. I'll never understand the mentality that you should hate anybody who isn't in your alliance. Everybody in Cyrodiil shares the common interest of enjoying PVP, and I've found that you can meet a lot of cool people in other alliances simply by talking with them about PVP.

DCeiver0 · September 2017

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

I've always enjoyed chatting with members of other alliances, especially after a really good fight. I'll never understand the mentality that you should hate anybody who isn't in your alliance. Everybody in Cyrodiil shares the common interest of enjoying PVP, and I've found that you can meet a lot of cool people in other alliances simply by talking with them about PVP.

Or you could secretly play another account on another Alliance for half a year. Make new friends, join an "enemy" guild, fight your old friends and come to the realization that factions are meaningless, and people are what make pvp what it is....

Then again.... Not everyone is the loser I am. So maybe stick to /w.

Stridig · September 2017

DCeiver0 wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

I've always enjoyed chatting with members of other alliances, especially after a really good fight. I'll never understand the mentality that you should hate anybody who isn't in your alliance. Everybody in Cyrodiil shares the common interest of enjoying PVP, and I've found that you can meet a lot of cool people in other alliances simply by talking with them about PVP.

Or you could secretly play another account on another Alliance for half a year. Make new friends, join an "enemy" guild, fight your old friends and come to the realization that factions are meaningless, and people are what make pvp what it is....

Then again.... Not everyone is the loser I am. So maybe stick to /w.

Shame...... Shame....... Shame...... Shame

gabriebe · September 2017

The rules about PvP are the same as when you're in a car on the road and you're the victim of bad driving. Whatever you say in that car isn't necessarily representative of what you actually think.

DCeiver0 · September 2017

Stridig wrote: »

DCeiver0 wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

I've always enjoyed chatting with members of other alliances, especially after a really good fight. I'll never understand the mentality that you should hate anybody who isn't in your alliance. Everybody in Cyrodiil shares the common interest of enjoying PVP, and I've found that you can meet a lot of cool people in other alliances simply by talking with them about PVP.

Or you could secretly play another account on another Alliance for half a year. Make new friends, join an "enemy" guild, fight your old friends and come to the realization that factions are meaningless, and people are what make pvp what it is....

Then again.... Not everyone is the loser I am. So maybe stick to /w.

Shame...... Shame....... Shame...... Shame

Oh I don't have any of that. What's truly shameful is that I've farmed 3 pcs of jewelry and 2 divines small armor pieces for Rattlecage at levels 21 , 25 , 31 , 35 , 41 and 44, twice. Is that crazy? Yes. But I don't mind the mind numbing. Its one of my favorite sets and I have used it on many, many characters to make it worth the time I spent. Additionally I enjoy having major sorcery all the time as it frees me from having to slot and monitor that buff.

I know my weaknesses so I try and play to my strengths.

Crap I really am the evil twin.

vamp_emily · September 2017

Such a wonderful topic "Friends and Foes".

The thing is many people ( me included ) fail to understand and except the fact that people play the game differently. I personally believe being friendly to the enemy is bad for the alliance, but many will disagree.

For example, just recently Ales was under attack. There was 5 EP players that took the farm and 2 DC were standing on the stairs next to them watching me and a few others get smashed. Shortly after that, more EP showed up and then flagged Ales. How is this good for AvAvA?

I've bonded with many DC players, but bonding with the enemy is not in my vocabulary. I don't care if you have some cool build you want to share and I don't care if you were voted "The most friendly player of 2017". I'm there to kill you, and take all your keeps.

Just the other day, some EP took Chal farm and I tried to kill him. He messages me and our conversation went something like this.

Him: I was trying to switch skills
Me: Do you think I really care? I am here to defend Chal.
Him: No reason to be rude.
Me: Oh let me guess, you want some kind of achievement for killing me? An ego booster?
Him: Quit acting so hard! You suck! ( places me on ignore )

I'm sure he was a nice guy but seriously what was his point in messaging me? Is it because I almost killed him but he has to give me some lame excuse why he almost died? Or was it a failed attempt to be my friend?

I know I sound like a witch, but on the flip side. Once I step out of PvP, I do pledges, and trials with many awesome players and I don't even think about what alliance they are from.

I remember a while back I was listening to the founder of C++ give a presentation and there was one story that always stuck in my head. He made a comment and someone suggested that he should act a little nicer. His response was, "why do I need to be nicer? Why don't others have thicker skins?". He wasn't trying to be rude but just making a statement , why do we have to be like that other person?

My point is, even though we all have a common interest in playing PvP, we should except the fact that people are different and we all don't need to be friends to have a great time in PvP.

If I was looking for a friend in PvP this would be some of the requirements:
- Friendly and respectful to me
- Doesn't flip flop alliances ( DC only )
- Has a sense of humor
- Doesn't care about the enemy
- Responsive to enemy attacks
- A good fighter
- Loves Mag NBs
- Very active
- Knows how to siege keeps

I'm sure I missed a few things but that would be my almost perfect PvP friend

Stridig · September 2017

So..... even if you DO accept the fact that people play the game differently, you won't be friends with them if they play different than you. Seems legit.

Edit: But what do I know? I have troubles remembering this is a game.

vamp_emily · September 2017

Stridig wrote: »

So..... even if you DO accept the fact that people play the game differently, you won't be friends with them if they play different than you. Seems legit.

I'm sure Google, Apple and Microsoft are having a hard time creating an app to accommodate for your huge friends list. But really how many friends do you want? How many friends do you need? and How many friends do you have time for?

Even though my friends list in game is full and I constantly have to remove players, in RL and in game my true friends list is not that big. I don't have time or need to be everyone's friend. As far as PvP goes, I'm more there for the excitement than running around asking players to friend me.