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Should Stamina Nightblades get a class based on demand self heal ?
vpy
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The only class that does not have a class based self heal is Stamina NB.
This becomes problematic especially for newcomers to ESO who level their first Stamina NB.
You can argue that DW tree has healing but that can never be equal to an on demand class based healing that everyone has.
And not everyone loves to level a Magicka NB for them to have a Resto staff back bar.
Edited by vpy on September 19, 2017 11:15PM This becomes problematic especially for newcomers to ESO who level their first Stamina NB.
You can argue that DW tree has healing but that can never be equal to an on demand class based healing that everyone has.
And not everyone loves to level a Magicka NB for them to have a Resto staff back bar.
Should Stamina Nightblades get a class based on demand self heal ? 180 votes
Yes...NB should have some sort of class based healing
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51 votes
No...I am happy the way things are
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No...Eventhough I agree Stamina NB need heal but I am afraid it will break the class in PVP or PVE
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Other
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No...I am happy the way things areMagblades don't need an on-demand heal. I get Flawless in vMA with Funnel as my only self-heal.
Stamblades can use the healing morphs of the first two dual-wield abilities to get a pretty decent passive heal that should get them through most basic content, and then later on they can use Vigor like every other stamina class.
There are classes that are worse off, BTW. Magsorcs need Surge and Ward to survive solo, but both come very late and are unavailable to the newbie. At least both flavors of nightblade get access to usable heals right off the bat.Edited by code65536 on September 19, 2017 10:54PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Malic✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherI mean solo pve? What are you facing that you cant get by with a pot on? Dungeons? Youve got healers, if you are glass cannon then you should expect to blow up.
Things are okay on mage blade, and in PVP the resto ulti is pretty dam powerful, theres not a whole lot of reasons not to use it on a mage blade.2 -
PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭No...I am happy the way things areEvilAutoTech wrote: »They should get a class based heal when Wardens get a gap closer.
Umm, wings (Bird of Prey)?? I can move at mounted speed whenever & wherever I want. Plus they have a "reverse" gap closer with their frozen gate.1 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭No...I am happy the way things areDo NBs need more heals when they already have vigor, rally, and cloak..... Obviously not. That is a ridiculous idea.
I even play Stamblade occasionally and I'm not in favor of this.6 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No...I am happy the way things areNo.
Why make every class the same after all... magblades are more then fine with their continous lifedrain-HoT, and stamblades... just have to find other ways to deal with their lack of class based "oh, crud!" selfheal. There are more then enough options hidden in weapon or other skill lines after all...
...and I say that as having a stamblade as my main!4 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No...I am happy the way things areNo.
Why make every class the same after all... magblades are more then fine with their continous lifedrain-HoT, and stamblades... just have to find other ways to deal with their lack of class based "oh, crud!" selfheal. There are more then enough options hidden in weapon or other skill lines after all...
...and I say that as having a stamblade as my main!0 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭No...I am happy the way things areAlso worth noting that sorcs do not have a class based self heal outside of pets. Most sorcs choose to not run pets because they are completely broken, but also not enjoyable for either party to play with.
Dark Conversion is nota heal, Its cast time is 1.2 sec which is too long for use in combat. It is used for sustain only, the heal is a bonus.
Mag sorc has the worst healing in the game and this is not debatable in any way. It is possible to achieve decent healing but you have to get "creative". Stam blades have comparatively very good healing, as well as cloak.2 -
Tucker3711✭✭✭OtherThey can heal@Tucker311- PC
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✭Otherjust stopped playing since morrowind release and sometimes going on forums looking how more they *** NB's with next patch
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Rainraven✭✭✭✭✭No...I am happy the way things areAlso worth noting that sorcs do not have a class based self heal outside of pets. Most sorcs choose to not run pets because they are completely broken, but also not enjoyable for either party to play with.
Dark Conversion is nota heal, Its cast time is 1.2 sec which is too long for use in combat. It is used for sustain only, the heal is a bonus.
Mag sorc has the worst healing in the game and this is not debatable in any way. It is possible to achieve decent healing but you have to get "creative". Stam blades have comparatively very good healing, as well as cloak.
Surge.
It's hilarious that any time there's a class discussion thread about any other class, inevitably a magsorc will show up to moan about something. Magsorcs are in the clover, and I say that as a magsorc main.7 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭No...I am happy the way things areAlso worth noting that sorcs do not have a class based self heal outside of pets. Most sorcs choose to not run pets because they are completely broken, but also not enjoyable for either party to play with.
Dark Conversion is nota heal, Its cast time is 1.2 sec which is too long for use in combat. It is used for sustain only, the heal is a bonus.
Mag sorc has the worst healing in the game and this is not debatable in any way. It is possible to achieve decent healing but you have to get "creative". Stam blades have comparatively very good healing, as well as cloak.
Surge.
It's hilarious that any time there's a class discussion thread about any other class, inevitably a magsorc will show up to moan about something. Magsorcs are in the clover, and I say that as a magsorc main.
Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.2 -
Rainraven✭✭✭✭✭No...I am happy the way things areAlso worth noting that sorcs do not have a class based self heal outside of pets. Most sorcs choose to not run pets because they are completely broken, but also not enjoyable for either party to play with.
Dark Conversion is nota heal, Its cast time is 1.2 sec which is too long for use in combat. It is used for sustain only, the heal is a bonus.
Mag sorc has the worst healing in the game and this is not debatable in any way. It is possible to achieve decent healing but you have to get "creative". Stam blades have comparatively very good healing, as well as cloak.
Surge.
It's hilarious that any time there's a class discussion thread about any other class, inevitably a magsorc will show up to moan about something. Magsorcs are in the clover, and I say that as a magsorc main.
Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.
Yeah, we do. Two pets. You're choosing not to use them? Ok, but they continue to exist.
Edit: Sorry for de-rail OP, I'll stop now.Edited by Rainraven on September 20, 2017 12:33AM4 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭No...I am happy the way things areAlso worth noting that sorcs do not have a class based self heal outside of pets. Most sorcs choose to not run pets because they are completely broken, but also not enjoyable for either party to play with.
Dark Conversion is nota heal, Its cast time is 1.2 sec which is too long for use in combat. It is used for sustain only, the heal is a bonus.
Mag sorc has the worst healing in the game and this is not debatable in any way. It is possible to achieve decent healing but you have to get "creative". Stam blades have comparatively very good healing, as well as cloak.
Surge.
It's hilarious that any time there's a class discussion thread about any other class, inevitably a magsorc will show up to moan about something. Magsorcs are in the clover, and I say that as a magsorc main.
Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.
Yeah, we do. Two pets. You're choosing not to use them? Ok, but they continue to exist.
Edit: Sorry for de-rail OP, I'll stop now.
I don't choose to discuss pets in terms of balance a lot of the time because they're a disgrace. also most people don't run them
I could run them too and would be even better than I am now, but choose not to because I enjoy the game more without them. I don't think they are enjoyable for either party involved2 -
ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherAs NB , we need some impressive offense skills instead of the weak healing , it's not about click 5 or 50 times LA to proc the freaking bow . Designer , do that with yourself !
Sadly , current develop team cannot do it , they don't even know the basic concept of this class... ZOS try 3rd party ?0 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No...I am happy the way things areEvilAutoTech wrote: »They should get a class based heal when Wardens get a gap closer.
Umm, wings (Bird of Prey)?? I can move at mounted speed whenever & wherever I want. Plus they have a "reverse" gap closer with their frozen gate.
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acw37162✭✭✭✭✭
✭No...I am happy the way things areThe only class skill stamina heal in the game belongs to Warden.
None of the other classes have a class skill that costs stamina and heals based on WD and stamina.1 -
Soleya✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uhm, sap essence, swallow soul and refreshing path heal pretty darn well.
None of those are Stam NB abilities. The heals on those are pretty much non existent on a stamina build.Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.
Surge pretty much procs every single second. So it's a permanent Heal Over Time. And Dark Exchange is an on demand heal + gives magicka back.5 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭No...I am happy the way things areUhm, sap essence, swallow soul and refreshing path heal pretty darn well.
None of those are Stam NB abilities. The heals on those are pretty much non existent on a stamina build.Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.
Surge pretty much procs every single second. So it's a permanent Heal Over Time. And Dark Exchange is an on demand heal + gives magicka back.
Its ok you just don't understand that Dark Conversion HAS A 1.2 SEC CAST TIME. WOW. It must be so hard to understand!
You also are missing the fact that Surge does not PROC every single second. Nope. That isn't true.0 -
Soleya✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uhm, sap essence, swallow soul and refreshing path heal pretty darn well.
None of those are Stam NB abilities. The heals on those are pretty much non existent on a stamina build.Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.
Surge pretty much procs every single second. So it's a permanent Heal Over Time. And Dark Exchange is an on demand heal + gives magicka back.
Its ok you just don't understand that Dark Conversion HAS A 1.2 SEC CAST TIME. WOW. It must be so hard to understand!
You also are missing the fact that Surge does not PROC every single second. Nope. That isn't true.
Maybe you should increase your crit.
In 30 seconds of hitting the target dummy my mag sorc proc-ed surge 26 times for a total of 93,075 healing....or 2774 heals per second. That's with 51% crit.
And again, sorcs have other heals, but you already said you don't want pets. That's your choice.4 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherIs this a troll? Stamplar stam dk stam sorc all don't have class based on demand self heals either...6 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭No...I am happy the way things areUhm, sap essence, swallow soul and refreshing path heal pretty darn well.
None of those are Stam NB abilities. The heals on those are pretty much non existent on a stamina build.Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.
Surge pretty much procs every single second. So it's a permanent Heal Over Time. And Dark Exchange is an on demand heal + gives magicka back.
Surge and Dark Exchange aren't stamina based abilities. They both cost magicka, so saying stam sorc has stamina based heals is just wrong. No one has stamina heals besides the warden. NB has a lot of stamina skills, you dont need a heal tooXbox NA - Oompa
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Soleya✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uhm, sap essence, swallow soul and refreshing path heal pretty darn well.
None of those are Stam NB abilities. The heals on those are pretty much non existent on a stamina build.Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.
Surge pretty much procs every single second. So it's a permanent Heal Over Time. And Dark Exchange is an on demand heal + gives magicka back.
Surge and Dark Exchange aren't stamina based abilities. They both cost magicka, so saying stam sorc has stamina based heals is just wrong. No one has stamina heals besides the warden. NB has a lot of stamina skills, you dont need a heal too
I was responding to a mag sorc post.
Stam sorc has dark deal and crit surge...1 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭No...I am happy the way things areUhm, sap essence, swallow soul and refreshing path heal pretty darn well.
None of those are Stam NB abilities. The heals on those are pretty much non existent on a stamina build.Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.
Surge pretty much procs every single second. So it's a permanent Heal Over Time. And Dark Exchange is an on demand heal + gives magicka back.
Surge and Dark Exchange aren't stamina based abilities. They both cost magicka, so saying stam sorc has stamina based heals is just wrong. No one has stamina heals besides the warden. NB has a lot of stamina skills, you dont need a heal too
I was responding to a mag sorc post.
Stam sorc has dark deal and crit surge...
Dark Deal costs Magicka, gives you health. Crit Surge costs Magicka, gives you health.Xbox NA - Oompa
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Soleya✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uhm, sap essence, swallow soul and refreshing path heal pretty darn well.
None of those are Stam NB abilities. The heals on those are pretty much non existent on a stamina build.Ok Surge is not an on demand self heal, it's based off of RNG more than anything and is totally overrated. I achieve the same spell damage bonus through other means and heal myself with other means. Works fine for me.
Sorcs do not have an access to an on demand heal such as vigor, green dragon blood, etc.
Surge pretty much procs every single second. So it's a permanent Heal Over Time. And Dark Exchange is an on demand heal + gives magicka back.
Surge and Dark Exchange aren't stamina based abilities. They both cost magicka, so saying stam sorc has stamina based heals is just wrong. No one has stamina heals besides the warden. NB has a lot of stamina skills, you dont need a heal too
I was responding to a mag sorc post.
Stam sorc has dark deal and crit surge...
Dark Deal costs Magicka, gives you health. Crit Surge costs Magicka, gives you health.
Dark Deal costs mag gives Health+Stam. Most stam sorcs used this ability. Dark Exchange costs mag and gives Health+Mag, feel free to use that instead.
Crit surge gives you approx 4k health every time you do critical damage. On a stam sorc that is even more often than mag sorc as your crit is typically way higher and you use tons of dots. Each dot has chance to crit.2 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes...NB should have some sort of class based healingNightblades need a better heal, and I don't mean being dependant on Vigor.
... So in the next patch, ZOS is planning on giving them a skill that will kill them when they heal group members.
LOL. It's just too funny.
Edited by SydneyGrey on September 20, 2017 2:39AM6 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No...I am happy the way things areBecause Stam NB is so weak no one plays it.... def not the most popular class or anything.
This is a thread created by biased Stam NBs for biased Stam NBs.7