[Spoiler] The Clockwork City - Another grand moral choice, yet this time, without a proper payoff.

ShadowHvo · September 2017

Greetings all,

I'm writing this as constrive critism to the ending of the main Clockwork City Storyline, but not in terms of the storyline itself, for that was nothing less than fantastic! However, the same can unfortunately not be said for the reward.

For anyone whom have yet to complete the storyline on the PTS, the reward is a consumable item by the name of [Sotha Sil's Codex of Infinite Possibility] which gives 150% increase to all experience gains for 2 hours of playtime. It is effectively a Grand-XP scroll.

Unfortunately, this item is nigh useless for anyone that is top level and have far exceeded the limit in Champion Ranks. Seht gave us a very clear choice: To save the life of our Ally, or gain more power to ourselves.

This option is very similar to the ending of the Mages Guild Questline, and I too, loved that one. It was a quest that had great weight and meaning behind it, a proper moral choice: Be the Hero who saves the damsel in distress, or abandon your heroic deeds in favor of powers that will make you even mightier. Which in essensece was a whole extra Skill Point you could spend as you saw fit.

I would really recommend to give a more fitting reward for this DLC storyline, similar to what you did with the Mages Guild Storyline. Perhaps another Skill-Point? Or maybe a few Attribute Points instead, something that -actually- increases your characters growth in power.

Certainly, its an argument to be made that an Increase in Experience gain = Powers, and while that is true for a low level, it does nothing for those of us whom sit in the top, those of us who have played the game for long and reached the current end of the progression.

That is my only complaint with the DLC thus far, the quests are fun, the storyline is interesting and exiciting. The only thing that lowered the epic feeling of this new DLC was its reward, a promise of powers from a god, which... well, turned out not to be power at all, but an xp scroll in disguise.

Thanks for reading, if you did.

Sotha_Sil · September 2017

Are you sure there are no rewards when you choose to save the girl ? I took the power aswell so I dont' know.

ShadowHvo · September 2017

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Are you sure there are no rewards when you choose to save the girl ? I took the power aswell so I dont' know.

I fear you misunderstand, my complaint is not with no reward for saving her, its for the very reward you get for NOT saving her.

It should be something that actually gives power, no matter how minor it is, similar to the Mages Storyline which rewarded egotistical heroes with a skill point, which was a great reward.

DocFrost72 · September 2017

The only reason I'd be cautious doing that is that people who do not have access to the DLC cannot get this power. Skill points aren't too over the top, but attribute points? That is very dangerous ground to tread, in my humble opinion.

I admit though, I'm an alt hound and the 2.5x scroll would be really handy when grinding.

Transairion · September 2017

Am I the only one who thinks quest choices shouldn't have any real effect on player power, especially to the degree you're hoping for? A few extra skillpoints aren't a big deal anymore because you can get so many total, nor are EXP boosts or anything...

... but stuff like Attributes are direct, tangible boots to player power... you don't want all the top tier raid guilds, PvPers, whatever only making a single quest choice because another player with the same gear, stats, etc would be directly stronger than them if said choice WASN'T taken.

... it is a DLC too, that would be kind of pay to win no?

Story rewards have to take a backseat to game mechanics and balance still, you know?

ShadowHvo · September 2017

Transairion wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks quest choices shouldn't have any real effect on player power, especially to the degree you're hoping for? A few extra skillpoints aren't a big deal anymore because you can get so many total, nor are EXP boosts or anything...

... but stuff like Attributes are direct, tangible boots to player power... you don't want all the top tier raid guilds, PvPers, whatever only making a single quest choice because another player with the same gear, stats, etc would be directly stronger than them if said choice WASN'T taken.

... it is a DLC too, that would be kind of pay to win no?

Story rewards have to take a backseat to game mechanics and balance still, you know?

A single skill-point, or a single attribute point, in my opinion, would hardly be a power gap. Especially since it is already done with Skill-Points. Its something that is so minor that it is hardly noticeable, yet one that, at the very same time, feels great when you earn it. It gives debth and meaning to the choice we have made, the life that we have sacrificed in our egotistical choice.

For that matter, it doesn't have to be an attribute point, that was merely a suggestion, I am all the more fine with a single skill-point to my collection, so that I can use it how I see it fit, for it was the power that I chose, over the life of an ally.

Karmanorway · September 2017

Some cool furniture that makes u levitate pls!

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BigBadVolk · September 2017

or a sothsa sil costume? or vivec costume? anybody...

Kyoma · September 2017

To be honest I've always loved AND hated the Mages Guild choice. It is nice that there was a consequence to saving her but the problem is that it is the only REAL choice in the game.

Loralai_907 · September 2017

So, if you save the girl, you get a scroll for 100% xp gain for 2 hours (plus one piece of gear and one skillpoint). Keep in mind the scroll is bound to character. That is kind of lame. I have one character under max level. The rest have no use for a scroll. If I could use it on a character that actually "needed" it that would be one thing. But I can't. Or, I should only take a character through the questing that isn't fully leveled. That is kind of lame too. I have one character I do ALL content with, for achievement reasons. It will bug me to take her through the content if I can't swap the scroll over to my lowbie. I get big things being bound to character, like the one from the end of TG. That makes sense. This scroll being bound to character does not make sense to me.

I have had nothing but good things to say about this DLC's content. I adore it. I love the zone, the quests I've done were fun and I felt attachment to certain characters. Its well done. I think this end reward should be adjusted though.

Darlon · September 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Make the scroll account bound instead of character bound, and it's a decent reward...(for both choices)

pieratsos · September 2017

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Are you sure there are no rewards when you choose to save the girl ? I took the power aswell so I dont' know.

I fear you misunderstand, my complaint is not with no reward for saving her, its for the very reward you get for NOT saving her.

It should be something that actually gives power, no matter how minor it is, similar to the Mages Storyline which rewarded egotistical heroes with a skill point, which was a great reward.

I'd take the XP buff over the skill point any day.

Arciris · September 2017

pieratsos wrote: »

I'd take the XP buff over the skill point any day.

You get an XP buff for 2 hours or you get a skill point that lasts for the whole life duration of your character > I'd take a skill point over an XP buff any day.

Turelus · September 2017

Attribute handouts are a bad bad idea, because it will become a requirement to clear that quest a single way to get the "best" character.

As others have said the SP from the Mage's Guild is no longer that impressive because we get so many SP as it is.

feyii · September 2017

There is actually an XP scroll (kinda) reward? Hmm, this is, of course, a personal preference, but I for one am not a fan of XP scrolls (or drinks). I only use them, if I got them from buying a DLC and even then only, because I don't want to waste something payed for with real money.
And if this quest reward is even bound to the character instead of the account, meh... I guess that's one reward I would just destroy (or just make the choice that doesn't award that thing).

Trainwiz · September 2017

Seconding a better reward. I can get experience scrolls easy enough, even like a cosmetic glow would be nice.

parkham · September 2017

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Are you sure there are no rewards when you choose to save the girl ? I took the power aswell so I dont' know.

When in doubt - always sacrifice your allies for Power.

pieratsos · September 2017

Arciris wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

I'd take the XP buff over the skill point any day.

You get an XP buff for 2 hours or you get a skill point that lasts for the whole life duration of your character > I'd take a skill point over an XP buff any day.

The xp buff helps you get xp/cp that you will have for the whole duration of ur character so ur argument goes out the window.
And If i wanted a skill point i can just go and pick up 3 skyshards

Izaki · September 2017

Mages Guild gave 2 skill points.

To quote Sheo: "the power equivalent to that of a half a dozen skyshards" then he makes a lil joke about how every one seems to be searching for those. 6 skyshards is 2 skill points.

idk · September 2017

Read a number of posts but not all.

I think the discussion needs to know the reward for the other choice. It could very well be like the final mage guild quest, that was mentioned, but opposite.

Regardless, many active players level up new characters and would bank that primo xp boost for their next toon.

Arciris · September 2017

pieratsos wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

I'd take the XP buff over the skill point any day.

You get an XP buff for 2 hours or you get a skill point that lasts for the whole life duration of your character > I'd take a skill point over an XP buff any day.

The xp buff helps you get xp/cp that you will have for the whole duration of ur character so ur argument goes out the window.
And If i wanted a skill point i can just go and pick up 3 skyshards

You realize some of us are already well above CP cap? You will get there too and on that day you will wish you have a skill point instead (just try to have DB, Thieves, Legerdemain, all crafts, vampirism, alliance war and all skill lines maxed out to appreciate the true value of a skill point).

Loralai_907 · September 2017

idk wrote: »

Read a number of posts but not all.

I think the discussion needs to know the reward for the other choice. It could very well be like the final mage guild quest, that was mentioned, but opposite.

Regardless, many active players level up new characters and would bank that primo xp boost for their next toon.

Here is what I said earlier:

if you save the girl, you get a scroll for 100% xp gain for 2 hours (plus one piece of gear and one skillpoint). Keep in mind the scroll is bound to character.

pieratsos · September 2017

Arciris wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

I'd take the XP buff over the skill point any day.

You get an XP buff for 2 hours or you get a skill point that lasts for the whole life duration of your character > I'd take a skill point over an XP buff any day.

The xp buff helps you get xp/cp that you will have for the whole duration of ur character so ur argument goes out the window.
And If i wanted a skill point i can just go and pick up 3 skyshards

You realize some of us are already well above CP cap? You will get there too and on that day you will wish you have a skill point instead (just try to have DB, Thieves, Legerdemain, all crafts, vampirism, alliance war and all skill lines maxed out to appreciate the true value of a skill point).

I appreciate your attempt to guess my CP but it was a failed attempt. I was at the cap long before 90% of the players in this game were. Maybe a couple of months after CP it was introduced and i have enough CP to stay at the cap for the next 2 years if not more even if i stop playing.

Its funny how you said some of us are at the CP cap. Well unfortunately a lot of people are not at cp cap and that scroll is much more helpful than a skill point on someone who for some weird reason, chose to put skill points on every single skill line in the game. So yeah please tell me more about the true value of a skill point in some passive or ability that i prob never use.

XP buff is also useful for alts and levelling up skill lines and abilities.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · September 2017

mommadani907 wrote: »

Here is what I said earlier:

if you save the girl, you get a scroll for 100% xp gain for 2 hours (plus one piece of gear and one skillpoint). Keep in mind the scroll is bound to character.

This. It's called Luciana's War Book or something like that.

I'm a little surprised he gives you something at all when you ask for power; I figured he'd pull a Vile with that one: "Power? You're a player character, you don't need that!" Or at best a weapon that was purple instead of blue and would be deconned immediately because I already have my top-level characters geared up.

A slightly-better XP scroll is definitely more versatile than a weapon. But still not enough to keep me from saving the girl.

RupzSkooma · October 2017

Sometime it makes me so sad that this game is an MMO lol
Developers could have made so many interesting stuffs if it was Solo with optional coop and multiplayer. The artists they have are really talented and so are the writers.
I hope some of the artists work in ES VI for BGS.

Chilly-McFreeze · October 2017

So do I get this right, the same reward no matter what you do?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/377798/spoilers-cwc-please-change-the-quest-reward-you-know-the-one

Grevaris_Elluin · October 2017

You should get a robotic arm if you don't save her. (Only for that character) Either that or character unbind the thing.

It would almost be poetic. Either fix her augmentations, or take them for yourself.

TheRealPotoroo · October 2017

pieratsos wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

I'd take the XP buff over the skill point any day.

You get an XP buff for 2 hours or you get a skill point that lasts for the whole life duration of your character > I'd take a skill point over an XP buff any day.

The xp buff helps you get xp/cp that you will have for the whole duration of ur character so ur argument goes out the window.
And If i wanted a skill point i can just go and pick up 3 skyshards

You realize some of us are already well above CP cap? You will get there too and on that day you will wish you have a skill point instead (just try to have DB, Thieves, Legerdemain, all crafts, vampirism, alliance war and all skill lines maxed out to appreciate the true value of a skill point).

I appreciate your attempt to guess my CP but it was a failed attempt. I was at the cap long before 90% of the players in this game were. Maybe a couple of months after CP it was introduced and i have enough CP to stay at the cap for the next 2 years if not more even if i stop playing.

Its funny how you said some of us are at the CP cap. Well unfortunately a lot of people are not at cp cap and that scroll is much more helpful than a skill point on someone who for some weird reason, chose to put skill points on every single skill line in the game. So yeah please tell me more about the true value of a skill point in some passive or ability that i prob never use.

XP buff is also useful for alts and levelling up skill lines and abilities.

Not when it's bound to character so you can't even give the damn thing away. Skill points are universal.

Beardimus · October 2017

I see your point, but the argument doesn't stack up as a skill point or 2 still doesn't help an end game player we have loads spare

Mages guild was a huge dilema for me as a crafter and a lawfull toon. I needed points bas but up to then made all the 'right' choices.

Likewise an XP boost would have been impressive then

So the problem is more how to allign a prize relevant to new players and end game

Other example was the fighters guild dilema. You used to do the quest late, to have the prismatic weapon at end game. Once sets kicked in and other ways to get it no one uses the FG weapon at all. But leveling it was cool.....

Adernath · October 2017

I am not even sure if I should complete the quest. Perhaps they will change the reward in the future?