We have over 40 learnable motifs and yet crafting is still mostly pointless
Teridaxus
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I'm a master crafter, i learned all 9 traits long ago and right now i'm still chasing after the house motifs but i ask me more and more: Why i do even bother?
3 years and finally zos starts thinking about the possibility to change item appearances and i'm pretty sure they mentioned it in the previous eso lives too from time to time and nothing ever came out of it.
Then you have crown store only motifs which screw crafters even more. Oh you already waste tons of time gathering all motifs instead of enjoying questing, doing dungeons or pvp but now you have to pay with real money earned outside of your freetime. Even more effort is needed for crafting since then.
To make it even worse the grind seems to get harder and harder. Just look at this thread i made some while ago:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366116/how-many-pages-of-the-armiger-motif-have-you-learned#latest
A single page of that motif is more worth than a whole motif book of most styles ( pc eu )
Seriously, who do i spend days worth of time farming motif pages or gathering the gold to buy the rest of the motifs just so i can make sub lvl 50 julianos gear with training and the style doesn't matter for my client since he wears a custome anyway. Maybe 1 of 10 crafting requests which i get ask for over lvl 50 gear. I only get a fraction of the time and gold invested back too on top of it.
Atleast my archivement points looks good...
I would rather stop farming motif all together and just save my money for a manour instead of living in my pathetic ( but wonderful ) twin arches.
Everytime i log in, i spend less and less time because there is no fun pick pocketting and stabbing morrowind citizens ( unless it's really snobby dark elves ) for weeks. I basicly do my daily writs and ask me if i should just log out instead of wasting the next 1 hour to get 0 motif pages and with the knowledge i can start the next motif hunt with clock work city while still getting no reward from knowing all motifs ( except armiger and the crown store ones ).
Why do i even bother?
Just so i can be ready in another 3 years when they maybe add a costume wardrobe or transmog system and people will still wear civilian clothing customes over armour anyway.
Just why do i even bother?
3 years and finally zos starts thinking about the possibility to change item appearances and i'm pretty sure they mentioned it in the previous eso lives too from time to time and nothing ever came out of it.
Then you have crown store only motifs which screw crafters even more. Oh you already waste tons of time gathering all motifs instead of enjoying questing, doing dungeons or pvp but now you have to pay with real money earned outside of your freetime. Even more effort is needed for crafting since then.
To make it even worse the grind seems to get harder and harder. Just look at this thread i made some while ago:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366116/how-many-pages-of-the-armiger-motif-have-you-learned#latest
A single page of that motif is more worth than a whole motif book of most styles ( pc eu )
Seriously, who do i spend days worth of time farming motif pages or gathering the gold to buy the rest of the motifs just so i can make sub lvl 50 julianos gear with training and the style doesn't matter for my client since he wears a custome anyway. Maybe 1 of 10 crafting requests which i get ask for over lvl 50 gear. I only get a fraction of the time and gold invested back too on top of it.
Atleast my archivement points looks good...
I would rather stop farming motif all together and just save my money for a manour instead of living in my pathetic ( but wonderful ) twin arches.
Everytime i log in, i spend less and less time because there is no fun pick pocketting and stabbing morrowind citizens ( unless it's really snobby dark elves ) for weeks. I basicly do my daily writs and ask me if i should just log out instead of wasting the next 1 hour to get 0 motif pages and with the knowledge i can start the next motif hunt with clock work city while still getting no reward from knowing all motifs ( except armiger and the crown store ones ).
Why do i even bother?
Just so i can be ready in another 3 years when they maybe add a costume wardrobe or transmog system and people will still wear civilian clothing customes over armour anyway.
Just why do i even bother?
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AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Motif farming had a short-term revitalized purpose when it affected Master Writ drops, but now that nobody wants or needs Master Writs , it's become almost useless again outside of the occasional friend who wants some obscure style and build.0 -
Teridaxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also another observation i made from other players.
1 year ago when someone in my trade guild or zone chat asks for a crafter and i am afk for like 10 minutes, i can still ask the people if he needs one and the answer will be a yes.
Nowadays, it's only a matter of seconds before someone gets an answer, but very often the same person ask later again in chat because his crafter miss the motif pages of 2 items of the requested 5 set which allows me to to jump in.
It seems people don't even include the knocklewdge of motifs in being a master crafter, just knowing 9 traits.0 -
grannas211✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shacklebreaker, Clever Alchemist, Eternal Hunt, etc for pvp
Julianos, Hundings, Night Mothers, etc for pve
Seems like crafted sets are alright to me. They shouldn't all be better than dropped sets or overland sets due to more difficult to get.
Now if you say that dropped items should be able to be transmuted into whatever motif than I 100% am on board with that.3 -
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✭A transmog system would most likely make them more money in the crown store, due to the appeal of changing dropped sets into the latest fashionable style. The game system for converting is already in place, and needs only be expanded from Imperial and Morag Tong. I would be surprised if this isn't something ZOS implements in 2018.
Crafters would be instantly relevant, and it would have nothing to do with the set piece bonuses of dropped vs. crafted.0 -
Vanthras79✭✭✭✭✭grannas211 wrote: »Shacklebreaker, Clever Alchemist, Eternal Hunt, etc for pvp
Julianos, Hundings, Night Mothers, etc for pve
Seems like crafted sets are alright to me. They shouldn't all be better than dropped sets or overland sets due to more difficult to get.
Now if you say that dropped items should be able to be transmuted into whatever motif than I 100% am on board with that.
Totally agree with this. Drops sets you can get easily, crafing gear takes time (learning traits/etc.)Norion Germain - Telvanni Wizard, Covenant Battle Mage, Mage's Guild Magister, Resident of Daggerfall Overlook, Lord of Tel Galen, Psijic Monk, Antiquarian, Breton Scholar, and Traveler.0 -
Vanthras79✭✭✭✭✭A transmog system would most likely make them more money in the crown store, due to the appeal of changing dropped sets into the latest fashionable style. The game system for converting is already in place, and needs only be expanded from Imperial and Morag Tong. I would be surprised if this isn't something ZOS implements in 2018.
Crafters would be instantly relevant, and it would have nothing to do with the set piece bonuses of dropped vs. crafted.
As long as --for some reason-- it cannot become bound to the restyler (or transmogger).Norion Germain - Telvanni Wizard, Covenant Battle Mage, Mage's Guild Magister, Resident of Daggerfall Overlook, Lord of Tel Galen, Psijic Monk, Antiquarian, Breton Scholar, and Traveler.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Crafted sets are in a good place at the moment for DPS.
Pretty much every build is using hundings or julianos. Weapon / spell damage is king right now.
Tanking is another matter. I don't know anyone who is using any of the crafted sets for tanking. Hist bark was good until they nerfed major evasion. Same for Tavas.
Healing is the same. A few people are running kagranac, but pretty much across the board is SPC and worm or SPC and mending.
None of this solves the motif problem. Until we can restyle all pieces motifs will remain mostly useless and collecting them a hobby rather than some i genuinely care about.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dear zenimax,
years ago, near release, you said you would allways make crafted set armor better then what drops and can be found,
so i beg of you, please do what you said you would do.0 -
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Chronicburn✭✭✭✭How hard can it possibly be to add jewelry to crafted sets? Ffs they had jewelcrafting years ago in other games with much less technology at their disposal. No excuses1
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✭✭✭✭✭Chronicburn wrote: »How hard can it possibly be to add jewelry to crafted sets? Ffs they had jewelcrafting years ago in other games with much less technology at their disposal. No excuses
They may be withholding it as a control point. That is, to get people to run particular content.❤Experienced, new, returner?❤ Help keep ESO's community strong ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ -- share what you love about the game, offer constructive feedback, and make friends.ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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✭✭✭✭✭Over 50 motifs and yea pretty much pointless unless youre into housingBeta tester November 20130 -
Jusey1✭✭✭✭✭Ye'h. My main is becoming a "master crafter" but I'm not worrying too much about collecting motifs. I'll get them as people sell them in zone chat and that is about it.0
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Johnnny✭Crafting is useless? Which game are you playing? Torugs, Shackle, Clever and Julianos are 4 of the most used sets in the game. Almost all magicka sorcs builds use Julianos for dps and almost all tanks use torug's. Hunding's is really good for people who doesn't want to maximize and any serious guild uses Night Mother for trials.
Shackle is probably used in like 80% pvp no cp builds and is also used a lot for cp pvp. So is Clever Alchemist. Even Willow Path has a really good use. I actually use it (Shackle) for my magicka sorc, for my stam sorc and for my healer, cause in no cp the extra stam/stam regen really helps to survive. Of course, you can say I'm a nobody, but just check youtube and you willfind lots and lots of really good people using this sets.
Also, nirhorned is one of, if not the best trait for lots of PVP builds.
Making jewels craftable would break a lot of stuff, IMO, and making jewelry upgradable would kill some trials and dungeons.
Of course, tho, revamping some useless craftable equipment would be really niceEdited by Johnnny on September 18, 2017 4:51AM0 -
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✭✭Motif farming had a short-term revitalized purpose when it affected Master Writ drops, but now that nobody wants or needs Master Writs , it's become almost useless again outside of the occasional friend who wants some obscure style and build.
Yes, and why master writ are so useless ? because they increased the price from 10 vouchers to 25 vouchers for purple furnishing plan ... now except you want to get all the furnitures pages in the game ( good luck ) it's just useless ....
I don't know what they plan about these transmute crystal but this should be buyable with voucher.0 -
Teridaxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Crafting is useless? Which game are you playing? Torugs, Shackle, Clever and Julianos are 4 of the most used sets in the game. Almost all magicka sorcs builds use Julianos for dps and almost all tanks use torug's. Hunding's is really good for people who doesn't want to maximize and any serious guild uses Night Mother for trials.
Shackle is probably used in like 80% pvp no cp builds and is also used a lot for cp pvp. So is Clever Alchemist. Even Willow Path has a really good use. I actually use it (Shackle) for my magicka sorc, for my stam sorc and for my healer, cause in no cp the extra stam/stam regen really helps to survive. Of course, you can say I'm a nobody, but just check youtube and you willfind lots and lots of really good people using this sets.
Also, nirhorned is one of, if not the best trait for lots of PVP builds.
Making jewels craftable would break a lot of stuff, IMO, and making jewelry upgradable would kill some trials and dungeons.
Of course, tho, revamping some useless craftable equipment would be really nice
My title was kinda bad, it's mostly about the motifs.
Also the fact that crafted set are nice right now is only temporary thing. They change the meta every 3 or 6 months.0 -
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✭✭✭I just wait a long time before I get the motifs. I don't craft gear often so no rush to spend millions on the new motif the day it drops. Also knowing that event is around the corner that drops motifs for doing daily quest i can can wait.
When that event forgot what it was called but I filled in ever page I was missing for free and sold a ton of the extras. Now that we have a bunch of new ones I'll do the same or just pick them up for super cheap.0 -
IwakuraLain42✭✭✭✭✭Motif farming had a short-term revitalized purpose when it affected Master Writ drops, but now that nobody wants or needs Master Writs , it's become almost useless again outside of the occasional friend who wants some obscure style and build.
Yes, and why master writ are so useless ? because they increased the price from 10 vouchers to 25 vouchers for purple furnishing plan ... now except you want to get all the furnitures pages in the game ( good luck ) it's just useless ....
I don't know what they plan about these transmute crystal but this should be buyable with voucher.
The change wouldn't have been so bad if they actually implemented a check that prevents you getting blueprints that you already know. The more blueprints you know the more useless/dangerous that function becomes, especially as the market for these items has crashed pretty much ....1 -
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✭✭✭I'm a master crafter, i learned all 9 traits long ago and right now i'm still chasing after the house motifs but i ask me more and more: Why i do even bother?
3 years and finally zos starts thinking about the possibility to change item appearances and i'm pretty sure they mentioned it in the previous eso lives too from time to time and nothing ever came out of it.
Then you have crown store only motifs which screw crafters even more. Oh you already waste tons of time gathering all motifs instead of enjoying questing, doing dungeons or pvp but now you have to pay with real money earned outside of your freetime. Even more effort is needed for crafting since then.
To make it even worse the grind seems to get harder and harder. Just look at this thread i made some while ago:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366116/how-many-pages-of-the-armiger-motif-have-you-learned#latest
A single page of that motif is more worth than a whole motif book of most styles ( pc eu )
Seriously, who do i spend days worth of time farming motif pages or gathering the gold to buy the rest of the motifs just so i can make sub lvl 50 julianos gear with training and the style doesn't matter for my client since he wears a custome anyway. Maybe 1 of 10 crafting requests which i get ask for over lvl 50 gear. I only get a fraction of the time and gold invested back too on top of it.
Atleast my archivement points looks good...
I would rather stop farming motif all together and just save my money for a manour instead of living in my pathetic ( but wonderful ) twin arches.
Everytime i log in, i spend less and less time because there is no fun pick pocketting and stabbing morrowind citizens ( unless it's really snobby dark elves ) for weeks. I basicly do my daily writs and ask me if i should just log out instead of wasting the next 1 hour to get 0 motif pages and with the knowledge i can start the next motif hunt with clock work city while still getting no reward from knowing all motifs ( except armiger and the crown store ones ).
Why do i even bother?
Just so i can be ready in another 3 years when they maybe add a costume wardrobe or transmog system and people will still wear civilian clothing customes over armour anyway.
Just why do i even bother?
well yeah, there are some sets, like Julianos for magicka dps, Hunding`s Range for stamind dps, but yes, your point is right, dropped sets are better mostly.
Jewelrycrafting for all existing and new sets!!!!
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✭✭✭A system to allow master crafters to change the style of an armor piece would bring a lot of life back into crafting. Then it wouldn't all be reliant on the sets, we would be relevant again ^-^0 -
Urza1234✭✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »Chronicburn wrote: »How hard can it possibly be to add jewelry to crafted sets? Ffs they had jewelcrafting years ago in other games with much less technology at their disposal. No excuses
They may be withholding it as a control point. That is, to get people to run particular content.
Maybe? I doubt that was the original reason it wasnt included, it was probably omitted due to development priorities, its really not hard to do but it does take time and money like everything else.
If you look at certain dev blogs from WoW you will see a very interesting journey and experiment in preventing player fatigue in a game that millions of people are playing at a faster rate than it can possibly be developed. Its absolutely fascinating reading watching these people try different methods to prevent burnout while keeping subs high.
Whether or not the current ESO devs have adopted jewelry farming as a factor in their player management scheme is debatable and probably unprovable either way, I just have to say that I wouldnt be surprised if you were right, especially considering they have institutionalized other development accidents like LA weaving.0 -
Urza1234✭✭✭✭Retraiting could be linked to crafting, transmog could be linked to crafting, that could help improve the attractiveness of spending your time doing that.
In the end though I think what some crafting proponents on this forum fail to realize is that no matter what the devs do this game is still Elder Scrolls Online, not Jew Crafting Online. The economy will always be secondary to gameplay, and if thats not what you want then I hear EVE just went free to play.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Motifs has always been cosmetic, you never need more than your own racial motif for anything except master writs.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0
