theamazingx wrote: »I just can't believe people get this worked up over cosmetics. I understand the disdain for these systems in cardgames and shooters and the like, where you're actually gambling in-game items with an impact on gameplay, but these are small artistic flairs we're talking about here. Is there some segment of the playerbase that just sits around and looks at eachother's outfits from the perch of their crown mounts?
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ZoS is a odd company.
Accuse them of promoting gambling addiction, create a protest group that has shamed people out of the game for saying positive things about Crown Crates.
Get made community ambassador.
/Boggle
A protest group that anyone could join, had no rules or regulation, and whom the leader is in no way responsible for the actions of.
And yet you choose to constantly bring the subject up whenever you have the ability.
Seriously, just because people are opposed to a thing, and alot of them disagree with you, does not mean there is a conspiracy man.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ZoS is a odd company.
Accuse them of promoting gambling addiction, create a protest group that has shamed people out of the game for saying positive things about Crown Crates.
Get made community ambassador.
/Boggle
A protest group that anyone could join, had no rules or regulation, and whom the leader is in no way responsible for the actions of.
And yet you choose to constantly bring the subject up whenever you have the ability.
Seriously, just because people are opposed to a thing, and alot of them disagree with you, does not mean there is a conspiracy man.
Says the PAWS member.
Also never once called it a conspiracy those are your words.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ZoS is a odd company.
Accuse them of promoting gambling addiction, create a protest group that has shamed people out of the game for saying positive things about Crown Crates.
Get made community ambassador.
/Boggle
A protest group that anyone could join, had no rules or regulation, and whom the leader is in no way responsible for the actions of.
And yet you choose to constantly bring the subject up whenever you have the ability.
Seriously, just because people are opposed to a thing, and alot of them disagree with you, does not mean there is a conspiracy man.
Says the PAWS member.
Also never once called it a conspiracy those are your words.
Your right. Those are my words. But what your describing, is a conspiracy. Or paranoia.
And I also have disagreed with you in the past. After I started to, you -then- latched onto the thing in the description.
Seriously man. I dont know who did what to you. Or who said what. But I am not my brother, nor his keeper.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »ZoS is a odd company.
Accuse them of promoting gambling addiction, create a protest group that has shamed people out of the game for saying positive things about Crown Crates.
Get made community ambassador.
/Boggle
A protest group that anyone could join, had no rules or regulation, and whom the leader is in no way responsible for the actions of.
And yet you choose to constantly bring the subject up whenever you have the ability.
Seriously, just because people are opposed to a thing, and alot of them disagree with you, does not mean there is a conspiracy man.
Says the PAWS member.
Also never once called it a conspiracy those are your words.
Your right. Those are my words. But what your describing, is a conspiracy. Or paranoia.
And I also have disagreed with you in the past. After I started to, you -then- latched onto the thing in the description.
Seriously man. I dont know who did what to you. Or who said what. But I am not my brother, nor his keeper.
Yeah I was just with those dudes carrying bats,....lol
Let me be clear on this
As long as these idiotic gambling addiction threads are made I'm going to point out how ZoS CM's has a hands off approach to players that continue to actively harass people in the game over about Crown Crate purchases with impunity and allows players to accuse others of having a gambling addiction on the forums which is insulting as hell.
If you have a issue with that tough, if the CM's want to ban me over it fine people who have a problem with this aren't going away and if the CM's won't address it, maybe some of the developers at cons will. Making a product available then fostering a group that harasses and belittles people who buys said product is mixed signals and is wrong.
Zbigb4life wrote: »Oh so I see: since YOU DON'T get it it means it's ok??? Strange thinking but then again so is this game...
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
"Dudes carrying bats". Wow, you uh...I dont even know what to say to that man. I really genuinely do not know how to respond to that clearest manifestation, of paranoia. .
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »As for the CM's. @Santieclaws (Who I didn't really wanna tag because quite frankly I like leting people solve these issues in house) started what is basicly a hashtag campaign against it when it first aired. That's it. A glorified forum version of a hashtag campagin.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Now, lemme state this, real clear, in no uncertain terms. In no way is the person who started it responsible for anything anyone did with the hashtag in they're description, unless expressly told by the person who started it. Just like, in no way is a inventor responsible for people who convert and mis-use the invention.
ZOS isn't fostering anyone. Again. You are seeing a pattern where none exists. That's fine. I do it to, sometimes. But it's not healthy man.
From here, I'll let the CM deal with it if they want, but I'm not gonna be treated like I'm associated with terrorists or the mafia for opposing a business practice and being open about that. My disagreement with you isn't a form of harassment. It's just a disagreement. Though I doubt anything I say is going to convince you of that.
I don't personally know anyone who ruined their financial situation in THIS game, but I do know many who ruined their finances in other games. Forgive my generalization but i figure theoretical guidelines and laws would affect all games and all society so Im taking it in that direction.
I am literally, no exaggeration, talking life savings levels of spending, 10s, sometimes 100s of thousands. I have seen the results and the spending records.
For the average person youre totally correct, we dont need babysitting, and that level of big brother can be insulting... But you and I, so I assume, don't have gambling addiction. There ARE members of our society who can, will, and do ruin their lives by gambling and spending on games. And for that few I think it's reasonable to contemplate a solution.
The problem here is the games are DESIGNED to prey on people with weak self control to make a profit. It's really very sick.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
Personally, I'm more of a mind to point out how inefficient the system is, both in terms of maximizing profit and player appreciation.
Half the stuff sold through crown crates, if priced sensibly could sell like hotcakes. The forced ''limited supply' crap drives more people away then it does entice. The system they have in place now is just built to milk as much profit as they can from people now, not maximize profit over the long term, and it's likely a sign they dont expect this game to go on much longer.
Luigi_Vampa wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
Personally, I'm more of a mind to point out how inefficient the system is, both in terms of maximizing profit and player appreciation.
Half the stuff sold through crown crates, if priced sensibly could sell like hotcakes. The forced ''limited supply' crap drives more people away then it does entice. The system they have in place now is just built to milk as much profit as they can from people now, not maximize profit over the long term, and it's likely a sign they dont expect this game to go on much longer.
Without access to ZOS's finances you are in no position to say what is efficient or not. They have tons of data and research in marketing. You have what you think is common sense. I really don't think they would be using these marketing tactics if the data didn't support it being the most efficient way to seperate people from their money.
I feel I can't have an intelligent conversation with someone who can't break character of a Khajiit.
If there is concerned there should also be concern with how a hashtag campaign was used to harass people who didn't share your moral outrage.
That's my last contribution to this thread.
This thread has become rather strange.
This thread has become rather strange.
I stopped caring when someone actually implied fascist policies cannot exist unless people are being dragged out of their houses. That's like saying a person doesn't qualify as a woman until they have given birth. A key tenant of Fascism is extreme government regulation on private citizenry, commerce, and industry. There are actually people here advocating the government placing regulations on how much of a legal good/service an individual private citizen is "allowed" to purchase.
Tavore1138 wrote: »This thread has become rather strange.
I stopped caring when someone actually implied fascist policies cannot exist unless people are being dragged out of their houses. That's like saying a person doesn't qualify as a woman until they have given birth. A key tenant of Fascism is extreme government regulation on private citizenry, commerce, and industry. There are actually people here advocating the government placing regulations on how much of a legal good/service an individual private citizen is "allowed" to purchase.
A key tenet of facism is not having a society with democratic laws and regulations - fascism tends to be a dictatorial rule that ignores the rule of law and uses violence to suppress dissent, it has a direct link with extreme nationalism and often will use racism or other divisive approaches to focus it supporters on violence against target groups.
Having laws around gaming, as we already do, is not fascism nor is being asked to tidy your room or log out and do your school work....
Tavore1138 wrote: »This thread has become rather strange.
I stopped caring when someone actually implied fascist policies cannot exist unless people are being dragged out of their houses. That's like saying a person doesn't qualify as a woman until they have given birth. A key tenant of Fascism is extreme government regulation on private citizenry, commerce, and industry. There are actually people here advocating the government placing regulations on how much of a legal good/service an individual private citizen is "allowed" to purchase.
A key tenet of facism is not having a society with democratic laws and regulations - fascism tends to be a dictatorial rule that ignores the rule of law and uses violence to suppress dissent, it has a direct link with extreme nationalism and often will use racism or other divisive approaches to focus it supporters on violence against target groups.
Having laws around gaming, as we already do, is not fascism nor is being asked to tidy your room or log out and do your school work....
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Tavore1138 wrote: »This thread has become rather strange.
I stopped caring when someone actually implied fascist policies cannot exist unless people are being dragged out of their houses. That's like saying a person doesn't qualify as a woman until they have given birth. A key tenant of Fascism is extreme government regulation on private citizenry, commerce, and industry. There are actually people here advocating the government placing regulations on how much of a legal good/service an individual private citizen is "allowed" to purchase.
A key tenet of facism is not having a society with democratic laws and regulations - fascism tends to be a dictatorial rule that ignores the rule of law and uses violence to suppress dissent, it has a direct link with extreme nationalism and often will use racism or other divisive approaches to focus it supporters on violence against target groups.
Having laws around gaming, as we already do, is not fascism nor is being asked to tidy your room or log out and do your school work....
Just dont respond. The dude just results to personal insults rather than adressing points.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Why people think regulation on buisness is facism, though, is weird.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Corporatism isn't much better than facism.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Tavore1138 wrote: »This thread has become rather strange.
I stopped caring when someone actually implied fascist policies cannot exist unless people are being dragged out of their houses. That's like saying a person doesn't qualify as a woman until they have given birth. A key tenant of Fascism is extreme government regulation on private citizenry, commerce, and industry. There are actually people here advocating the government placing regulations on how much of a legal good/service an individual private citizen is "allowed" to purchase.
A key tenet of facism is not having a society with democratic laws and regulations - fascism tends to be a dictatorial rule that ignores the rule of law and uses violence to suppress dissent, it has a direct link with extreme nationalism and often will use racism or other divisive approaches to focus it supporters on violence against target groups.
Having laws around gaming, as we already do, is not fascism nor is being asked to tidy your room or log out and do your school work....
Just dont respond. The dude just results to personal insults rather than adressing points.
I addressed his point, and noted how it makes no sense historically. Just because you're still butthurt about my comments to you earlier doesn't mean you should hold some grudge against me. Grow up.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Why people think regulation on buisness is facism, though, is weird.
It's clear you don't have the mental capacity for understanding my arguments. I'm not against government regulation of business. All of my arguments have been against government intervention in personal responsibility.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Corporatism isn't much better than facism.
Never said it was. Murdering someone is worse than punching someone in the face. Does that make punching someone in the face a good thing? Both are bad. Both should equally be shunned. Quit trying to create Strawman arguments.
I don't personally know anyone who ruined their financial situation in THIS game, but I do know many who ruined their finances in other games. Forgive my generalization but i figure theoretical guidelines and laws would affect all games and all society so Im taking it in that direction.
I am literally, no exaggeration, talking life savings levels of spending, 10s, sometimes 100s of thousands. I have seen the results and the spending records.
For the average person youre totally correct, we dont need babysitting, and that level of big brother can be insulting... But you and I, so I assume, don't have gambling addiction. There ARE members of our society who can, will, and do ruin their lives by gambling and spending on games. And for that few I think it's reasonable to contemplate a solution.
The problem here is the games are DESIGNED to prey on people with weak self control to make a profit. It's really very sick.
I've dealt with alcoholism in the past; I don't ask bars and commercials to stop trying to entice me to drink with their dangerous marketing tactics. I just avoid that stuff and move on with my life. People who have shopping, gambling, and gaming addictions can do the same.
Seek therapy. Take a pill. Have friends and family that tell you when you're being a bit nuts over something, and listen when they do it. These are other options for those individuals, and it's got nothing to do with the devs acting as impromptu babysitters.
You think if gaming companies face a bunch of laws suddenly telling them what they can and can't do, they won't just find a loophole and go around it? That all the shadiest practices will stop instead of get worse? Why you think we have to "gamble" on crates with fake currency in the first place?
Everything is designed to prey on people. That's what business is: being as enticing as possible for as many people necessary to make the biggest profit.