rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
As long as we succumb to our addictions, companies will exploit our addictions.
Just wait until the whole face recognition systems come online. Then advertisers will target you based on the stores you went to yesterday. Just like in Minority Report.
We are all just Sheeple for the Corporate Wolves to feast upon.
rotaugen454 wrote: »As long as we succumb to our addictions, companies will exploit our addictions.
Just wait until the whole face recognition systems come online. Then advertisers will target you based on the stores you went to yesterday. Just like in Minority Report.
We are all just Sheeple for the Corporate Wolves to feast upon.
So I'll get targeted ads from gyms, coffee shops and gaming stores? Sweet...
It's when I get ads and junk mail over things I have no interest in that I get annoyed. I'm fine with getting a large selection to evaluate.
rotaugen454 wrote: »As long as we succumb to our addictions, companies will exploit our addictions.
Just wait until the whole face recognition systems come online. Then advertisers will target you based on the stores you went to yesterday. Just like in Minority Report.
We are all just Sheeple for the Corporate Wolves to feast upon.
So I'll get targeted ads from gyms, coffee shops and gaming stores? Sweet...
It's when I get ads and junk mail over things I have no interest in that I get annoyed. I'm fine with getting a large selection to evaluate.
Minority Report is tame. I'm far more concerned by what occurred in Series 1 Episode 2 of the show Black Mirror. In that, the protagonist was constantly bombarded with ads, ad nauseum (lol) interrupting his viewing of a show to the point where he would spend actual money just to quickly remove the ads. It's only a matter of time before internet commercials allow you to pay for commercials to be skipped, versus watching 5 minutes of crap.
Remember being asked by some marketing poll lady about an add inside an gas station.rotaugen454 wrote: »As long as we succumb to our addictions, companies will exploit our addictions.
Just wait until the whole face recognition systems come online. Then advertisers will target you based on the stores you went to yesterday. Just like in Minority Report.
We are all just Sheeple for the Corporate Wolves to feast upon.
So I'll get targeted ads from gyms, coffee shops and gaming stores? Sweet...
It's when I get ads and junk mail over things I have no interest in that I get annoyed. I'm fine with getting a large selection to evaluate.
Minority Report is tame. I'm far more concerned by what occurred in Series 1 Episode 2 of the show Black Mirror. In that, the protagonist was constantly bombarded with ads, ad nauseum (lol) interrupting his viewing of a show to the point where he would spend actual money just to quickly remove the ads. It's only a matter of time before internet commercials allow you to pay for commercials to be skipped, versus watching 5 minutes of crap. Sounds absurd right? What happens when those "unskippable" commercials become 10, 15, 20 minutes long? Personally, I would just stop watching TV or internet shows altogether if this is the case. Or seek illegal options. Plenty of people though would pay that money.
Tavore1138 wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
There's a pretty large body of study that supports addiction not being something that can be simply or easily controlled by those who are most susceptible to it.
Levels of "susceptibility" shouldn't be under question. It's irrefutable that there are those more susceptible to addiction than others, simply due to their biology.
The real question is who gets the blame. Corporations utilizing these tactics, in my opinion, are not to blame. Corporations would not use these tactics if their efficacy did not already exist. Attacking corporate tactics is just applying a bandaide on a gaping wound.
Society as a whole may be to blame a little. Honestly though, I put full blame on Parents, and the modern family, for not properly shielding and preparing their children for these influences in the world. The modern parent constantly seeks to shirk their parenting duties onto society and big business. If you want strong children, you need to ensure your children are raised to be strong. Being an absentee parent, then blaming society for their failure offspring, is terribly common practice today.
Worst offenders is games like arch age, pwi and other free mmos with massive pay walls or pay to win aspects.
Zos isnt innocent but not the worst ive ever seen. Not by a long shot. Whales in pwi spend thousands (no exaggeration) every month for pvp gear. Games like that need gambling laws to step in, unfortunately anything international online is like living in international waters and only the most basic limits are set in place to protect players from gambling addiction.
Will not happen. There is a big difference. Gambling to obtain currency is a lot different than gambling to obtain access to program code. Long long way to go before gambling laws can cross that line.
Tavore1138 wrote: »Tavore1138 wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
There's a pretty large body of study that supports addiction not being something that can be simply or easily controlled by those who are most susceptible to it.
Levels of "susceptibility" shouldn't be under question. It's irrefutable that there are those more susceptible to addiction than others, simply due to their biology.
The real question is who gets the blame. Corporations utilizing these tactics, in my opinion, are not to blame. Corporations would not use these tactics if their efficacy did not already exist. Attacking corporate tactics is just applying a bandaide on a gaping wound.
Society as a whole may be to blame a little. Honestly though, I put full blame on Parents, and the modern family, for not properly shielding and preparing their children for these influences in the world. The modern parent constantly seeks to shirk their parenting duties onto society and big business. If you want strong children, you need to ensure your children are raised to be strong. Being an absentee parent, then blaming society for their failure offspring, is terribly common practice today.
I suppose then we are into the whole nature vs. nurture question - is that addictive personality something that good parenting can cure or are some people just born with a disposition towards certain behaviour?
FWIW I suspect the truth is that both play a part - so good teaching can get you so far but someone born with a certain makeup will always be more vulnerable than someone without ti.
Which is why societies need to have rules that balance the right for people to do as they choose while also offering some protection to those who are vulnerable.... and why wherever that balance is found the majority will feel it needs to be moved in whatever direction they feel is correct
I have just read an interesting article and thought I'd share...
Looks like ZOS is just following the trends in the gaming industry when it comes to separating us from our hard earned dollars.
abc.net.au/news/2017-09-13/video-game-addiction-how-the-industry-is-learning-from-casinos/8941114
I have just read an interesting article and thought I'd share...
Looks like ZOS is just following the trends in the gaming industry when it comes to separating us from our hard earned dollars.
abc.net.au/news/2017-09-13/video-game-addiction-how-the-industry-is-learning-from-casinos/8941114
and i bet these same people who complain about zenimax prices are the ones putting stuff like primal motif on auction for 6000 gold (yes, its really there for that much)
and you fools calling this addictive, you obviously were not around in the days when civilization came out. oh, the amount of times my friends and i were not seen for a full 24hrs.
oh, its morning. already?
i'll be back in a few hours. 3 days later....(yes, the benefits of not having to work)
wanna get some food? what is it, breakfast?
ESO doesnt hold a candle to how bad civ was in this regard.
and i bet these same people who complain about zenimax prices are the ones putting stuff like primal motif on auction for 6000 gold (yes, its really there for that much)
and you fools calling this addictive, you obviously were not around in the days when civilization came out. oh, the amount of times my friends and i were not seen for a full 24hrs.
oh, its morning. already?
i'll be back in a few hours. 3 days later....(yes, the benefits of not having to work)
wanna get some food? what is it, breakfast?
ESO doesnt hold a candle to how bad civ was in this regard.
Tavore1138 wrote: »Tavore1138 wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
There's a pretty large body of study that supports addiction not being something that can be simply or easily controlled by those who are most susceptible to it.
Levels of "susceptibility" shouldn't be under question. It's irrefutable that there are those more susceptible to addiction than others, simply due to their biology.
The real question is who gets the blame. Corporations utilizing these tactics, in my opinion, are not to blame. Corporations would not use these tactics if their efficacy did not already exist. Attacking corporate tactics is just applying a bandaide on a gaping wound.
Society as a whole may be to blame a little. Honestly though, I put full blame on Parents, and the modern family, for not properly shielding and preparing their children for these influences in the world. The modern parent constantly seeks to shirk their parenting duties onto society and big business. If you want strong children, you need to ensure your children are raised to be strong. Being an absentee parent, then blaming society for their failure offspring, is terribly common practice today.
I suppose then we are into the whole nature vs. nurture question - is that addictive personality something that good parenting can cure or are some people just born with a disposition towards certain behaviour?
FWIW I suspect the truth is that both play a part - so good teaching can get you so far but someone born with a certain makeup will always be more vulnerable than someone without ti.
Which is why societies need to have rules that balance the right for people to do as they choose while also offering some protection to those who are vulnerable.... and why wherever that balance is found the majority will feel it needs to be moved in whatever direction they feel is correct
I only slightly agree with nature vs nurture statement, but you immediately went off the rails with the rest of it. It's not society's responsibility to ensure an individual person is protected against the harms of the world. That's bordering on the concept of a welfare/nanny state mentality. Western society has accepted the burden of upholding western laws. Take the concept of the police force for example. It is NOT the responsibility of the police to ensure you are protected at all times from harm. That is an incredibly wrong interpretation of the law, and has been proven false Constitutionally by a recent Supreme Court Case:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
Police are responsible for upholding the laws of the state, not to be your personal bodyguard. Likewise, society is not responsible for being your personal bodyguard against physical and mental dangers of the world. They are only responsible for upholding the laws of the land, ie: maintaining peace, punishing violence, ect.
The idea that society needs to put in place protections for the individual person, to ensure they can't harm themselves by engaging in legal acts so much as to cause themselves an extreme detriment? That's juvenile, and a ridiculously fascist view of what a western state should be in control of.
Tavore1138 wrote: »Tavore1138 wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »No surprise the strong support a system that crushes the weak and leave the strong unharmed - comforting them in their knowledge of their strength.
There used to be a time when you could do business without preying on the weak and flattering the lowest instincts.
Just making decent, honest $$.
Now it's all about turning people into addicts, preferably from a young age onwards.
To endorse such predatory behaviour - shame, really.
People turn themselves into gaming addicts by not thinking things through. Your line of thinking absolves anyone from any sort of personal responsibility. Just blame someone else or an "evil corporation" when you make unwise choices.
There's a pretty large body of study that supports addiction not being something that can be simply or easily controlled by those who are most susceptible to it.
Levels of "susceptibility" shouldn't be under question. It's irrefutable that there are those more susceptible to addiction than others, simply due to their biology.
The real question is who gets the blame. Corporations utilizing these tactics, in my opinion, are not to blame. Corporations would not use these tactics if their efficacy did not already exist. Attacking corporate tactics is just applying a bandaide on a gaping wound.
Society as a whole may be to blame a little. Honestly though, I put full blame on Parents, and the modern family, for not properly shielding and preparing their children for these influences in the world. The modern parent constantly seeks to shirk their parenting duties onto society and big business. If you want strong children, you need to ensure your children are raised to be strong. Being an absentee parent, then blaming society for their failure offspring, is terribly common practice today.
I suppose then we are into the whole nature vs. nurture question - is that addictive personality something that good parenting can cure or are some people just born with a disposition towards certain behaviour?
FWIW I suspect the truth is that both play a part - so good teaching can get you so far but someone born with a certain makeup will always be more vulnerable than someone without ti.
Which is why societies need to have rules that balance the right for people to do as they choose while also offering some protection to those who are vulnerable.... and why wherever that balance is found the majority will feel it needs to be moved in whatever direction they feel is correct
I only slightly agree with nature vs nurture statement, but you immediately went off the rails with the rest of it. It's not society's responsibility to ensure an individual person is protected against the harms of the world. That's bordering on the concept of a welfare/nanny state mentality. Western society has accepted the burden of upholding western laws. Take the concept of the police force for example. It is NOT the responsibility of the police to ensure you are protected at all times from harm. That is an incredibly wrong interpretation of the law, and has been proven false Constitutionally by a recent Supreme Court Case:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
Police are responsible for upholding the laws of the state, not to be your personal bodyguard. Likewise, society is not responsible for being your personal bodyguard against physical and mental dangers of the world. They are only responsible for upholding the laws of the land, ie: maintaining peace, punishing violence, ect.
The idea that society needs to put in place protections for the individual person, to ensure they can't harm themselves by engaging in legal acts so much as to cause themselves an extreme detriment? That's juvenile, and a ridiculously fascist view of what a western state should be in control of.
Has anyone actually ruined their financial situation over this game? Or are all the complainers just getting twisted on behalf of those who don't exist?
"Kids" shouldn't be playing this game. If they do, and they get suckered, they need better parents.
ZoS is a odd company.
Accuse them of promoting gambling addiction, create a protest group that has shamed people out of the game for saying positive things about Crown Crates.
Get made community ambassador.
/Boggle
LordSkyKnight wrote: »Think of it this way. That 4000 crown spider that was for sale recently had graphic assets that were already in game. The data for it was already in the game folder on your hard drive. You could see it in the game but people charged their money via a plastic card to crowns to be able to ride it themselves. Seems pretty asinine doesn't it?
Think about the homes they sell and how much they charge. Think about the white knights who defend the behavior of buying or selling it. They have been mentally conditioned to accept the behavior.
When you sit back and think on all of it, the way games used to be back in the 90s to what they have become, it all starts to seem sad and rather silly.