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You Guys Could Nerf Soul Assault Anytime Zos!
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭If it were so trash as people defending it say it is, you wonder why so many slot it. My favourite move is still the beam-a-rama. 2 Templars Soul Assaulting followed by 2 RDs. Can't get any more noobier. But it's scarily effective.
Your mad bcz 2 templars fired an ultimate on you and then both used a execute on you and you died?!?!
Learn how to play. If you cant handle the range game stay hidden and flank. If you are a ranged character you should be picking a better fight position in your group. If your getting Xv1'd 2 simultaneaus ultimates and 2 simultaneus executes after should kill any offensive specced opponent.
Most of the time im firing off my soul assault into some groups tank who is laughing at how much it tickles him. My spell damage is around 4500 buffed too.
Cyrodil is about group play.
Without soul assault there is literally no counter to players that dodge roll as their only form of defense.Edited by Drdeath20 on September 13, 2017 3:10PM0 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I read the first five pages. Here are some thoughts.
- Quality necro!
- I've used SA for a LONGGGGGGG time. From way before it was cool. In fact, after not playing for 2 months until this week, I didn't even know it was the cool new thing. It's fun becoming the meta!
- There are only 2 reasons why I slot it ...
1) It's a great way to easily kill bad players. I have no want or need to show off my MADSKILLZBRAH to any random that comes along. If I don't think you're all that good I'll just hit you with an SA and be on my way. If you can survive it, hey, I was wrong and you'll get the MADSKILLZBRAH! Why waste your best moves on opponents that don't deserve them? Isn't the best skill of all being able to eradicate a target in the most efficient way possible? And yes, the SA is usually followed up with a Radiant. I'm that guy.
2) It is specifically slotted as a counter to people who go crazy burst to open a fight. I'd guess that many people who don't like it also have an offensive style where they overwhelm their opponents and try to kill them in under 10 seconds. That's all well and good, but when that happens to me I usually start rope-a-doping then with heal-shield-heal-shield etc until they stop attacking likely due to being out of resources. Then it's SA, Radiant and you're dead.
Lastly, I'd like to take us back exactly one year to the stampocalypse of 2016. Do you recall what PVP looked like at that point? It was just dodge rolling and procs. All magic users were at a complete disadvantage with only Magplar's having an honest chance due to Radiant being undodgeable. When they added SA to that list (by removing the bashing of it off) it became a viable way to control the armies of stamina meta players.
So that's why I use SA. It's either because I think you're bad enough to die from it (I've called it the Blue Noob Magic Shotgun for a long time) or because you happen to be one of those all out offense people who couldn't kill me from sneak. [snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 14, 2026 2:33PM2 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol poor OP. He doesn't realize how much of the population is zerglings. This ability only outperforms in Xv1 situation, so the 99% of the population who are zerglings commenting have no idea exactly how devastating this ability is...getting Xv1d by this ability is even worse then getting Xv1d by bird spam. Undodgeable abilities shouldn't be in the game, period.0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »The counter is not just block. It is block, shield, heal through, line of sight, mist form, cloak, or cause damage to the caster so he/she is forced to stop the channel..
Knockback works too. The caster isn't immune to abilities that knocks them and force them to stop casting it.
Missed that one thanks!
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scipionumatia✭✭✭✭scipionumatia wrote: »If someone is using soul assault that means they're not blocking. Crit rush+ dragon leap leaves them wreked.
In theory that's works great. In ESO it doesn't work like that. They soul assault. You crit rush but get stuck in the crit rush animation and walk over to him. So you go for the dragon leap. It will bug out with your wings on the floor and it takes the ultimate away as if you used it. Now your at 10% health no ultimate. Lmao. Sad but true.
@Koolio
If your on Xbox i would love for you to look at a few of my records
GT is the same as here.
Just yesterday I had someone try to do this in a 1v5 I managed to kill 4 but the invisible NB got me. One of the 4 tried to soul assault he got crit rushed + dragon leaped. If I wasn't still fighting his buddies he would of caught my bag :P
EDIT- also had a Templar try to gank me off my horse the other day near a resource, javelin, then soul assault, blocked the whole soul assault (cause my food ran out at the same time he started his gank... my fault for not paying attention to timer) then he started to Jesus beam, he caught a crit rush, bash, WB, leap. GGEdited by scipionumatia on September 13, 2017 4:01PMScipio Numantia Red guard Nightblade PvP- AD
Scipio Asiaticus Khajiit Nightblade (CRAFTER/DPS) PvE- EP
Altmer Nightblade PvP- EP
Fueoculto Breton Templar (DPS) PvE- EP
Rasoculto Orc Dragon Knight PvP- EP
Caethus Argonian Templar (HEAL) PvE- EP
Vale Oso Nord Sorc (DPS) PvE- AD
Sir-Galahad-the-pure Altmer Sorc (DPS) PvE- EP
Scipionumantine Imperial Templar PvP- EP
Un-bearable Imperial Warden PVP- EP
Vale Bear Altmer Warden PvP- EP
Baits-All-Zergs Argonian Dragon knight PVP- DC1 -
Grabmoore✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »The counter is not just block. It is block, shield, heal through, line of sight, mist form, cloak, or cause damage to the caster so he/she is forced to stop the channel..
Knockback works too. The caster isn't immune to abilities that knocks them and force them to stop casting it.
Missed that one thanks!
Wut? Which abilities do you mean? I ask, because you ARE cc immune while channeling SA. That's what people complain about.
Imo blocking is the only counter. I must know with my soulshine dual wield build
not even high ranked sorcs can shield away the 80k tooltip damage. Against block builds SA is a waste, but that is what Champion of light is for ( I know i run cancer ultis, but what else do i have on my solo play magplar). EU - PC - Ebonheart Pact
Iggy Grabmoore - Argonian Magicka Templar | Nyctasha - Redguard Stamina Nightblade
Do-Ra'Zhar - Khajiit Stamina DK | Ashmedi - Dunmer Magicka DK
Vanya Darchow - AD Altmer Magicka Sorc | Malek gro'Kash - Orc Stam Sorc
GM of "Handelshaus von Riften" - Trading & PvX Community0 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭scipionumatia wrote: »scipionumatia wrote: »If someone is using soul assault that means they're not blocking. Crit rush+ dragon leap leaves them wreked.
In theory that's works great. In ESO it doesn't work like that. They soul assault. You crit rush but get stuck in the crit rush animation and walk over to him. So you go for the dragon leap. It will bug out with your wings on the floor and it takes the ultimate away as if you used it. Now your at 10% health no ultimate. Lmao. Sad but true.
@Koolio
If your on Xbox i would love for you to look at a few of my records GT is the same as here.
Just yesterday I had someone try to do this in a 1v5 I managed to kill 4 but the invisible NB got me. One of the 4 tried to soul assault he got crit rushed + dragon leaped. If I wasn't still fighting his buddies he would of caught my bag :P
EDIT- also had a Templar try to gank me off my horse the other day near a resource, javelin, then soul assault, blocked the whole soul assault (cause my food ran out at the same time he started his gank... my fault for not paying attention to timer) then he started to Jesus beam, he caught a crit rush, bash, WB, leap. GG
I kill people that use it and die to it. Aggression works great. But with a lot of bugged out or broken abilities can make it difficult. Like crit rush or dragon leap both being very buggy. Or broken healing ward. Heavy attack animations getting stuck. Or for me (MNB) adds who bubble me over and over and over making almost every move available to a MNB reflectable. Like I said in theory full aggression is probably the best counter but with ZOS too many things are bugged to make it a solid counter.0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Imo blocking is the only counter. I must know with my soulshine dual wield build not even high ranked sorcs can shield away the 80k tooltip damage. Against block builds SA is a waste, but that is what Champion of light is for ( I know i run cancer ultis, but what else do i have on my solo play magplar).
Not sure what rank has to do with it but many "high rank" sorcs I've encountered can shield through a 95k tool tip.0 -
scipionumatia✭✭✭✭@Koolio
I learned how to upload. Didn't go exactly as I remember but here's the link.
https://youtu.be/PfGZ4SBCZKs Scipio Numantia Red guard Nightblade PvP- AD
Scipio Asiaticus Khajiit Nightblade (CRAFTER/DPS) PvE- EP
Altmer Nightblade PvP- EP
Fueoculto Breton Templar (DPS) PvE- EP
Rasoculto Orc Dragon Knight PvP- EP
Caethus Argonian Templar (HEAL) PvE- EP
Vale Oso Nord Sorc (DPS) PvE- AD
Sir-Galahad-the-pure Altmer Sorc (DPS) PvE- EP
Scipionumantine Imperial Templar PvP- EP
Un-bearable Imperial Warden PVP- EP
Vale Bear Altmer Warden PvP- EP
Baits-All-Zergs Argonian Dragon knight PVP- DC1 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭scipionumatia wrote: »@Koolio
I learned how to upload. Didn't go exactly as I remember but here's the link.https://youtu.be/PfGZ4SBCZKs
Crit rush Dragon leap. Ok I got this.
https://youtu.be/36ZQUlOXE3k 2 -
Jusey1✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »The counter is not just block. It is block, shield, heal through, line of sight, mist form, cloak, or cause damage to the caster so he/she is forced to stop the channel..
Knockback works too. The caster isn't immune to abilities that knocks them and force them to stop casting it.
Missed that one thanks!
Wut? Which abilities do you mean? I ask, because you ARE cc immune while channeling SA. That's what people complain about..
You aren't CC immune while using Soul Assault. Maybe immune to certain CC, sure, but not full on. There has been plenty of times where I accidentally used SA at a bad time and got knockbacked the moment I begun doing it.0 -
Neoauspex✭✭✭✭✭
✭If Soul Assault was aoe instead of single target, and it wasn't a channel but just followed you around while you cast other skills at your leisure, then I would say nerf it.
Wait a miiinnnnuuuuute...3 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭@THEDKEXPERIENCE are we really gonna have to argue about stam being underpowered with proc sets being nerfed and magic builds having way better survivability with a light or heavy setup compared to a Meduim armor stambuild where Soul assault is not even needed anymore.Edited by KingJ on September 13, 2017 8:36PM1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.Edited by DDuke on September 13, 2017 8:45PM2 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@THEDKEXPERIENCE are we really gonna have to argue about stam being underpowered with proc sets being nerfed and magic builds having way better survivability with a light or heavy setup compared to a Meduim armor stambuild where Soul assault is not even needed anymore.
No. What I'm saying was BEFORE SA was fixed stamina was running wild. This was about a year ago. Now the game is as balanced as ever. If you are choosing to get the benefits of medium armor then you simply have to understand that SA is the paper to your rock.5 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.
365 days ago. August 2016 through the January patch stamina straight up DOMINATED Cyrodiil. Only after SA was changed and roll backs on procs happened did we get to a more level playing field.
If you were not playing a magic toon in early fall 2016 you have no idea how bad it was. It was truly the Stampocalypse.2 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stam still has stam burst plus all the defensive perks. [snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 14, 2026 2:37PM3 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.
365 days ago. August 2016 through the January patch stamina straight up DOMINATED Cyrodiil. Only after SA was changed and roll backs on procs happened did we get to a more level playing field.
If you were not playing a magic toon in early fall 2016 you have no idea how bad it was. It was truly the Stampocalypse.
Lol.
August 2016 I was getting free kills on every stamina build with my Malubeth(/Skoria)+Fasallas magplar and making posts here on the forums about how *** stamblade was and how it needed buffs.
Nice try though. Are you sure you don't mean October 2016, when One Tamriel launched and introduced fan favourite sets as CP160, such as Viper & Red Mountain? Sets which were then subsequently (and deservedly) nerfed multiple times.Edited by DDuke on September 13, 2017 8:55PM0 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.
365 days ago. August 2016 through the January patch stamina straight up DOMINATED Cyrodiil. Only after SA was changed and roll backs on procs happened did we get to a more level playing field.
If you were not playing a magic toon in early fall 2016 you have no idea how bad it was. It was truly the Stampocalypse.
Lol.
August 2016 I was getting free kills on every stamina build with my Malubeth(/Skoria)+Fasallas magplar and making posts here on the forums about how *** stamblade was and how it needed buffs.
Nice try though.
Let me rephrase... everyone who isn't a cheater was getting destroyed by stamina players. Bringing up Malubeth ... SMH.0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.
365 days ago. August 2016 through the January patch stamina straight up DOMINATED Cyrodiil. Only after SA was changed and roll backs on procs happened did we get to a more level playing field.
If you were not playing a magic toon in early fall 2016 you have no idea how bad it was. It was truly the Stampocalypse.
Lol.
August 2016 I was getting free kills on every stamina build with my Malubeth(/Skoria)+Fasallas magplar and making posts here on the forums about how *** stamblade was and how it needed buffs.
Nice try though.
Let me rephrase... everyone who isn't a cheater was getting destroyed by stamina players. Bringing up Malubeth ... SMH.
Oh, Malubeth just meant you could tank a dozen stamina builds - killing just 1-4 at a time with Skoria was no problem either (and faster).0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Stamina and medium armor got only nerfed (directly and indirectly) over the last year and many nerfs did also hit non proc builds which have never been a problem (speaking about medium armor, not about Black Rose, Legion etc). If you think that stamina players will destroy all of the magica folk while pretending that magicka (especially magicka templars and magicka dks) are in a weak spot right now makes every further discussion pointless.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I play a stamina nighrblade and all the stam users crying here are exaggerating their cloak off.
Now if you want to talk about nerfs let's talk Dizzying Swing!
That one is like playing golf with players, feel like yelling fore when I use it.Edited by TequilaFire on September 13, 2017 9:14PM0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Go to the search bar and enter "stampocalypse".
I'll wait.
Am I missing something? March 27th this year is the earliest post and half of the "stampocalypse" references seem to come from you.
Or do you mean google search? That turned up no results, same with youtube.
You'll have to help me out here.
Meanwhile, I did dig up some posts to remind us of this game's past:
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2eplpr/the_elder_staves_online/
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2rgbf8/still_elder_staves_online/Edited by DDuke on September 13, 2017 9:15PM0
