Facebook group dedicated to buying/selling ESO accounts

code65536 · September 2017

Kildayen wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Lmao what a snitch. Just let them live.

I don't know where you were brought up but I was told inside and outside of home to never get involved in people's business, especially when they're doing no good.

If there weren't any snitches, there'd be a whole lotta people out there getting away with things that they shouldn't get away with.

Being that I've worked on the right side of the law for many many years, it's kinda my thing to get involved in people's business, especially when they're doing no good. Unfortunately having a badge these days automatically marks you as a bad guy to many people. Probably because of those same people who preach that "snitches get stitches"...

Some laws are just. Some are not. Many things we now considered wrong were done in the past in the name of "following the law".

The simple question is, who's the aggrieved? If someone cheats or exploits in the game, the answer to that question is simple and straightforward: the cheater/exploiter takes away the enjoyment of everyone else in the game. But if someone who is quitting the game gives their account to someone else, who exactly are they hurting with that transaction?

As long as the person relinquishing the account is doing so freely (i.e., not a hacked account) and the person receiving the account is not being deceived, tell me, who exactly is the aggrieved party?

SantieClaws · September 2017

code65536 wrote: »

As long as the person relinquishing the account is doing so freely (i.e., not a hacked account) and the person receiving the account is not being deceived, tell me, who exactly is the aggrieved party?

Every other traveller in Tamriel who has worked hard to get where they are without cheating in the process.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Huyen · September 2017

You buy the right to play on their servers, you dont buy the "account". While I agree it should be that we own the account, and not ZoS, this is not the case. With a lot of things (even windows) we pay for the right to use the software and acces the servers, nothing more. Therefor selling and buying account by other means then specified on the website of ZoS is forbidden. And its an american company, so the european laws for customer protection do not apply.

Runs · September 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

$3500 for a CP 1200+ account ...

I also heard most of the 1,000+ accounts cheated to get there and ZoS did nothing.

Over 2 years ago, with someone that had 1000+ CP, that may have been the case. 2 years later though and as someone close to 1000 cp I would have to say that no longer holds true.

Derra · September 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

$3500 for a CP 1200+ account ...

I also heard most of the 1,000+ accounts cheated to get there and ZoS did nothing.

:rolleyes:

ThePrinceOfBargains · September 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Well this thread is a micro culture of society huh.

Guy tries to do the right thing and boom gets shot down.

It's a worry huh.

The "right thing" is subjective in this case. In what universe is this necessary? These people are hurting no one. Personally, I think it's a waste of money because this game isn't anywhere near worth $800 or more. I also recognize that it's against their terms. But OP is just being petty and silly. This topic benefits no one.

Mureel · September 2017

Reverb wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

There are loads of sell game account sites out there...surprising the amount of money these accounts can go for

Yeah, I considered it once after being offered $800 USD for it but love the game too much to walk away....

I don't know how much it would take for me to consider handing over my account, but it seems it's a lot more than that. I inadvertently made a face and physically recoiled when I read that $800 figure.

LOL Same! xD

XDragonDoomX · September 2017

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit thinks it may be wiser rather than shutting down this page to keep a close eye on it, take notice of these accounts and then swing the banhammer heavily in their direction yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

This.

Kneighbors · September 2017

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit thinks it may be wiser rather than shutting down this page to keep a close eye on it, take notice of these accounts and then swing the banhammer heavily in their direction yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Well apparentlt Khajit isn't into earning money business.

A guy who will buy account for hundreds of dollars is liable to invest money in crown store or generally into game after the account purchase. He isn't going to sell drugs in the game with that account. He is buying it to have a shortcut and he doesn't mind to invest money in the game. Like you can be 100% sure he will have account at least on subscribtion...

Yes! Banhammer for that guy and the likes... Khajit very smart...

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · September 2017

SirDopey wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

There are loads of sell game account sites out there...surprising the amount of money these accounts can go for

Yeah, I considered it once after being offered $800 USD for it but love the game too much to walk away....

lol that low? after playing over 3 years and what im having...well I think that is low...tough I was offered by some friends like over 3500$ for my account and I still wont and will never sell it...im 2 attached to meow kitteh! besides the game is awesome(yes with the 395783753875 flaws) an still enjoyable...and on top of that...the current MMORPG out there on the market are utter garbage(yes especially WoW) so no... im going keep playing ESO until they choose to turn off the servers.(hopefully that will never happen)

SantieClaws · September 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit thinks it may be wiser rather than shutting down this page to keep a close eye on it, take notice of these accounts and then swing the banhammer heavily in their direction yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Well apparentlt Khajit isn't into earning money business.

A guy who will buy account for hundreds of dollars is liable to invest money in crown store or generally into game after the account purchase. He isn't going to sell drugs in the game with that account. He is buying it to have a shortcut and he doesn't mind to invest money in the game. Like you can be 100% sure he will have account at least on subscribtion...

Yes! Banhammer for that guy and the likes... Khajit very smart...

And where do you think the money he pays for that account goes?

Generally into drugs and organised crime. Also if he or she is of a mind to buy an account then they are also likely to use the services of a goldseller. Again profits from goldselling are known to go towards organised crime.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Yarlenzey · September 2017

Um. Snitch or not, no-one seemed to notice the horse wulwa.

Bam_Bam · September 2017

theultimatewarrior wrote: »

Kildayen wrote: »

There is a Facebook group dedicated to buying and selling ESO accounts. Who should I send the info to? Thanks!

Snitches get stitches

you from Liverpool?

Vaoh · September 2017

Bots, Gold Sellers, Account Sellers.... if ZOS really wanted to do something about this I think they could end it all very easily.

There is something to realize here that people don't seem to understand - those people buying accounts are likely great sources of revenue for ZOS.

If someone buys Gold:
1. The Gold in question does not magically appear. It is accumulated and farmed overtime. When people buy Gold for real money, it is either to buy stuff from players (Gold reinvested into economy) or to spend on Housing (control inflation just like repairs, etc). The person who sold their Gold either pockets the money or spends the money n ESO to buy Crowns for something Crown Store-exclusive, since they care about ESO to play enough in order to accumulate so much Gold.

If someone buys an account:
1. They are unwilling to play ESO otherwise. They are unconcerned with how much money they spend and will easily buy hundreds of dollars worth of Crown Store cosmetics on a whim. If they can't buy an account, they simply will go elsewhere which means a lot of lost money to ZOS.
2. They are banned on their original accounts. If they are willing to spend hundreds of dollars on a new account, they are firmly stuck with this game and are great customers to ZOS.

These are my thoughts on the situation at least.
All of this stuff, though dishonest, is easily of benefit to ZOS in many ways. Cutting this all off would mean a direct cut to their revenue since they are just removing a ton of big spenders. Sure you have to control Bots since they eventually become far too annoying in large numbers, but overall it plays into a cycle that I'm pretty sure exists in every MMO for what is probably the same list of reasons.

Shadzilla · September 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUNRl3kAATk

FoolishHuman · September 2017

The reason ZOS is not "doing anything" is because they can't. Gold seller and account seller sites or facebook groups are not against the law. It's gainst the ToS of the game of course, but that does not apply outside of the game. The only thing they can do is ban/punish the accounts, but since the transactions are not public and you can't just ban people because their IP or e-mail changed it's very hard to enforce the rules.

Vaoh · September 2017

I have a good friend who quit ESO around Dark Brotherhood release due to frustrations with the game but mostly irl stuff that kept him away from his PS4 altogether. He decided that since he was pretty much done playing PS4, he might as well sell the account and call it quits.

His buyer was some rich dude who spent over $300 for the account. When my friend's account sold, the buyer spent around $150 on Crowns before a week passed, only to decide he didn't like ESO enough to continue playing and gave my friend his account back for free.

These people throw money around like it's nothing at all. This convinced me of why all of this account selling, gold selling, botting stuff will always remain.

LadyNalcarya · September 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

$3500 for a CP 1200+ account ...

I also heard most of the 1,000+ accounts cheated to get there and ZoS did nothing.

Of course they did nothing, why would they punish people for grinding mobs?

Seriously though, I have 1020 or something, and I havent grinded cps... I also know some people who started playing this year and are at cp cap already. Champion points are really easy to get, especially with the catch-up system.

zaria · September 2017

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

Not sure if ZoS can really do anything. They could try and contact Facebook and ask them to take it down, but Facebook might just brush it off as no big deal as they have a million other things to worry about. And even if they do take it down they would have a new site up within hours. Its a never ending battle that every major game company has to deal with.

Far easier solution who would actually help people.
Offer an rollback if account is hacked. That is your account is reset back to before hacking, they take backup of everything and storing all the data for an account takes less than an megabyte.

This will obviously help if your account is hacked and they will keep an loyal user.
How will it help against account selling, if you buy an account the seller can take it back at any time

Do you still want to buy.

Dantaria · September 2017

TheMaster wrote: »

The "right thing" is subjective in this case. In what universe is this necessary? These people are hurting no one. Personally, I think it's a waste of money because this game isn't anywhere near worth $800 or more. I also recognize that it's against their terms. But OP is just being petty and silly. This topic benefits no one.

Are they? Hurting noone?

You, guys, forget one little detail: the cost of account depends on gear and achievements. And linking "Dro-M'Athra Destroyer" or/and "vHoF HM" can take you pretty damn far in PvE scene. And allow you to take positions you are honestly not qualified for.

Most probably true end-game scene will be closed for those guys: the very top will simply know that this account doesn't belong to the person it originally belonged to. But "lower stages" might buy it. And be wiped on Twins. And be wiped in vHoF pretty much everywhere.

We have a person with literally 0 knowledge of the game, who also will not participate in anything meaningful which will teach him how to "git gut". He will not go to vMA - he already has all possible weapons there are. He probably will skip normal dungeons and go straight to vet.

If the account-buyer 100% intends to RP and quest - sure, no harm is done. But what if does not? And he has all the tools to skip "progression stages" - achievements to link, vMA weapons to link, etc?

Well. Someone is certainly going to get screwed here.

geonsocal · September 2017

i remember a while back a buddy of mine whom plays WoW telling me he had sold a character for some decent change...at the time seemed really strange...

makes more sense now thinking on it a few years later...

money and time are both very valuable commodities...which different people place different values on...

right or wrong - just about everything seems to be for sale...i imagine it's been this way since there was first two people...sounds like eso is simply catching up...

as far as the owners of the content regulating it - unless it makes dollars, it doesn't make sense...

ThePrinceOfBargains · September 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

The "right thing" is subjective in this case. In what universe is this necessary? These people are hurting no one. Personally, I think it's a waste of money because this game isn't anywhere near worth $800 or more. I also recognize that it's against their terms. But OP is just being petty and silly. This topic benefits no one.

Are they? Hurting noone?

You, guys, forget one little detail: the cost of account depends on gear and achievements. And linking "Dro-M'Athra Destroyer" or/and "vHoF HM" can take you pretty damn far in PvE scene. And allow you to take positions you are honestly not qualified for.

Most probably true end-game scene will be closed for those guys: the very top will simply know that this account doesn't belong to the person it originally belonged to. But "lower stages" might buy it. And be wiped on Twins. And be wiped in vHoF pretty much everywhere.

We have a person with literally 0 knowledge of the game, who also will not participate in anything meaningful which will teach him how to "git gut". He will not go to vMA - he already has all possible weapons there are. He probably will skip normal dungeons and go straight to vet.

If the account-buyer 100% intends to RP and quest - sure, no harm is done. But what if does not? And he has all the tools to skip "progression stages" - achievements to link, vMA weapons to link, etc?

Well. Someone is certainly going to get screwed here.

That can happen anyway. Some people pay for clears using in-game gold. And it's really not that big of an issue anyway. Unless the person happens to be a masochist, they won't continue running certain content if they're getting their asses irredeemably handed to them.

Nestor · September 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

A guy who will buy account for hundreds of dollars is liable to invest money in crown store or generally into game after the account purchase. He isn't going to sell drugs in the game with that account. He is buying it to have a shortcut and he doesn't mind to invest money in the game. Like you can be 100% sure he will have account at least on subscribtion...

Yes! Banhammer for that guy and the likes... Khajit very smart...

So you make conclusions based on suppositions to justify illegal activity? Interesting.

Account Sharing is against the TOS. It makes no exceptions for the method of sharing.

Rohamad_Ali · September 2017

The moral value of such things is always subjective . The importance of protecting consumers is most important . The rules do help discourage the actively because people can and do get ripped off doing these purchases . Maybe not all but a lot and enough to fill other boards with scam alerts and threats to other people . ZOS is just avoiding a nightmare of customer service complaints by making these rules . Every MMO I know of does the same for the same reason . Morality aside be careful with your money .

Ackwalan · September 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit thinks it may be wiser rather than shutting down this page to keep a close eye on it, take notice of these accounts and then swing the banhammer heavily in their direction yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Well apparentlt Khajit isn't into earning money business.

A guy who will buy account for hundreds of dollars is liable to invest money in crown store or generally into game after the account purchase. He isn't going to sell drugs in the game with that account. He is buying it to have a shortcut and he doesn't mind to invest money in the game. Like you can be 100% sure he will have account at least on subscribtion...

Yes! Banhammer for that guy and the likes... Khajit very smart...

A guy who is willing to cut corners to get what they want, is a guy that will cheat to get what he wants. Do you think people that use cheat engine are also good for the game?

Dantaria · September 2017

TheMaster wrote: »

That can happen anyway. Some people pay for clears using in-game gold. And it's really not that big of an issue anyway. Unless the person happens to be a masochist, they won't continue running certain content if they're getting their asses irredeemably handed to them.

No. That's exactly the thing.

Noone cares for skins. Noone cares for just completing. Even with a skin, you're going to be interwied hard for vMoL/vHoF group. But you will be allowed in straight away with "Dro-M'Athra Destroyer", because you pretty much can't be carried for that.

You cannot be carried for "Dro-M'Athra Destroyer", cannot be carried for "Flawless Conquerer", etc. And expensive accounts are expensive exactly because they have these achievements.

And some people chose those accounts, not the ones which are cheaper. Well... It honestly doesn't seem like a good setup.

geonsocal · September 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

That can happen anyway. Some people pay for clears using in-game gold. And it's really not that big of an issue anyway. Unless the person happens to be a masochist, they won't continue running certain content if they're getting their asses irredeemably handed to them.

No. That's exactly the thing.

You cannot be carried for "Dro-M'Athra Destroyer", cannot be carried for "Flawless Conquerer", etc. And expensive accounts are expensive exactly because they have these achievements.

well, there go my dreams of getting rich...i might actually have to pay someone to play my account...

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

Noone cares for skins. Noone cares for just completing. Even with a skin, you're going to be interwied hard for vMoL/vHoF group. But you will be allowed in straight away with "Dro-M'Athra Destroyer", because you pretty much can't be carried for that.
You cannot be carried for "Dro-M'Athra Destroyer", cannot be carried for "Flawless Conquerer", etc. And expensive accounts are expensive exactly because they have these achievements.

But how long is the illusion going to last ? Even with the best setup and all the achievements, if the player himself doesn't know right from left in the game it's going to show, very fast... the guilds aren't going to invite them in more than two runs before they realize what's going on and kicking the guy, I suppose.
I COULD possibly understand someone buying an account that has a lot of stocks, gold, houses and items, but achievements... ? That makes little sense (to me).

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2017

Nestor wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

A guy who will buy account for hundreds of dollars is liable to invest money in crown store or generally into game after the account purchase. He isn't going to sell drugs in the game with that account. He is buying it to have a shortcut and he doesn't mind to invest money in the game. Like you can be 100% sure he will have account at least on subscribtion...

Yes! Banhammer for that guy and the likes... Khajit very smart...

So you make conclusions based on suppositions to justify illegal activity? Interesting.
Account Sharing is against the TOS. It makes no exceptions for the method of sharing.

Don't get fooled. Like @Rohamad_Ali mentioned, those parts of the TOS serve the purpose of a waiver of liability for ZOS. It doesn't mean that they actively look for those accounts to ban them, because yes, those people too are a source of income for ZOS.

Beardimus · September 2017

Honestly surprised that anyone, at all, is defending account selling. It's against the TOS, and sucks, as leads to bots and more gold farmers etc etc. So someone reporting it is doing the right thing.

Sure one guy selling his account when he's had enough is different to setups designed to turn a regular profit from it - but regardless both aren't right.

ZOS should track hardware ID, and have a request process if you want to transfer to other machines in particular sudden country changes if they wanted to make it harder. But I guess too much effort on their part.