LET US BUY TRANSMUTATION CRYSTALS WITH AP (LOTS OBVIOUSLY)

Anrose · September 2017

jcaceresw wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

jcaceresw wrote: »

I would like to buy them for 1,000 AP/Tel-Var each in the assortment vendor. Also, to get them randomly from rewards of the worthy and end of campaign.

The bit I have bolded is a joke right?...

No, is not. Not gonna pay 500k AP for just ONE trasmutation stone. I don't PVP much but have accumulated a good amount and wont like to spend it all for just 2 or 3 of these stones.

This idea is directed more for the people that ONLY PvP so we can get the transmutation crystals by doing what we like to do.

We PvPers literally have tens of millions of AP. I would gladly spend 1 million per transmutation crystal.

Joy_Division · September 2017

Here's an earth-shattering idea.

Make it a reward for the worthy. I don;t need another invigorating arm corps.

Apologies if someone mentioned this earlier.

Recremen · September 2017

I don't like the idea of buying them with AP for a couple reasons.

The prices would be completely ridiculous. Lots of people have tons of AP stored up which artificially inflates the prices of everything sold for AP. What this means in a practical sense is that you'd spend categorically longer getting enough AP for the crystals than the time needed to get them from the equivalent PvE content. Spending days to get enough AP for one crystal sounds awful when you could get dozens in the same time doing PvE.
Crystals are being given out basically for free, it sounds, just for doing the vet PvE content that we were doing anyway. In contrast, spending AP on them takes away from the existing PvP rewards that you should be using to buy other useful things.

Now, I totally think there should be a PvP equivalent for getting them, but it should match the time and effort investment that PvE vet content entails. Maybe that's getting one in every few Rewards for the Worthy, maybe a giant chunk of them at the end of a campaign, maybe a new kind of mail for capturing keeps (but with some kind of cooldown to prevent keep trading), winning a battleground, whatever. I'm on board with PvP folks getting things, but we shouldn't be second-class citizens in the process.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Why not just ask that they drop from kills and PvP quests?
Seems odd to jump to reducing commodities when PvE is a result from kills.

PVPers don't really do quests - cos its still PVE..

I'm liking the other ideas though. Whatever the mechanism is, it should be even.. If an average PVEer can average X stones per evening of doing dungeons, An average PVPer should average the same amount from an evening of Pvping.

@Biro123
The Kill X amount of whomever stuff in Cyrodil and the current daily IC kill quest types or just drop these from kills in how loot drops today in PvP randomly but change it to be useful items....surely you would rather do those vs grinding AP and TV for this new commodity?

altemriel · September 2017

ThoraxtheDark wrote: »

For people who do not do dungeons or trials and are strictly in PVP now. I feel like this change needs to include an option for PVP orientated players the same way the Golden Vendor offers PVE only items.

Maybe buy for 1 million AP once a week?(AS SUGGESTED BY COMMENTS BELOW, END OF CAMPAIGN REWARDS IS A BETTER IDEA IMO) IDK, i'm not into going back to do more PVE. Yes i know thats my problem!

that would be pretty fair, so that PVPers would not be "forced" to run PVE dungeons

FoolishHuman · September 2017

Would it be possible to get Vigor, Warhorn and Caltrops from Undaunted pledges then? Since we all don't wanna play the mode we don't like.

OC_Justice · September 2017

No to AP purchase.

I had to go grind to get my skills from PVP, you guys need to grind with us to get transmute items.

Denyiir · September 2017

FoolishHuman wrote: »

Would it be possible to get Vigor, Warhorn and Caltrops from Undaunted pledges then? Since we all don't wanna play the mode we don't like.

Sure as long as we get undaunted passives for killing ppl in cyro, and maybe master/vma/asylum weapons buyable from golden vendor.

Denyiir · September 2017

OC_Justice wrote: »

No to AP purchase.

I had to go grind to get my skills from PVP, you guys need to grind with us to get transmute items.

You call few hours of PvP, with 100% chance to get desired skills grinding? lmao

OC_Justice · September 2017

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

OC_Justice wrote: »

No to AP purchase.

I had to go grind to get my skills from PVP, you guys need to grind with us to get transmute items.

You call few hours of PvP, with 100% chance to get desired skills grinding? lmao

grind is an opinion, so yes

reiverx · September 2017

OC_Justice wrote: »

No to AP purchase.

I had to go grind to get my skills from PVP, you guys need to grind with us to get transmute items.

A one time grind. Hardly the same thing.

Feanor · September 2017

Please don't derail the discussion with the old "I want mah vigor in PvE" argument. It has no place here. Thank you.

supaskrub · September 2017

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

No, is not. Not gonna pay 500k AP for just ONE trasmutation stone. I don't PVP much but have accumulated a good amount and wont like to spend it all for just 2 or 3 of these stones.

So you are in the main a PvE player, just go farm vet dungeons etc, then you get em for free (if rng is on your side) and the bit of AP that you have stays in your bank. The thread is about people who predominently play pvp having access to the stones not pve players who want the best of both worlds.

Drummerx04 · September 2017

I'd make the AP costs around what an average group can earn in an hour, which for many groups is around 50-100k AP/hr. The hour mark is what I would expect an average/bad PvE dungeon group to take to complete vet dungeons.

dvcod · September 2017

This will get me flamed right off of this board...but I would love to see ta's.....pick your amount....be morphed into transmutation stones. It would gives ta's some value...and I bet you would never ever.... ever ...see any left in nodes!!!! Kind of joking....but maybe a little wishful thinking... in it also...lol.....have a great day.

OC_Justice · September 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I'd make the AP costs around what an average group can earn in an hour, which for many groups is around 50-100k AP/hr. The hour mark is what I would expect an average/bad PvE dungeon group to take to complete vet dungeons.

You are assuming everyone gets a drop every run.
Is it going to be 100% drop rate? I doubt it.
If it is a 10% drop rate then by your standards it should be 1 million AP.

SaintSubwayy · September 2017

I personally dont like the idea that you can buy them for AP.
But I also totally understand the PVP'ers who dont want to run Vet content just to get the Cristals.

So just make them all bound on pickup, else the PVP'ers would have a advantage in selling them in huge ammounts.

sevomd69 · September 2017

All you people thinking its gonna be easy to re-trait gear... these crystals are gonna have a drop rate like aethereal dust or require many crystals to transmute...

Biro123 · September 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Why not just ask that they drop from kills and PvP quests?
Seems odd to jump to reducing commodities when PvE is a result from kills.

PVPers don't really do quests - cos its still PVE..

I'm liking the other ideas though. Whatever the mechanism is, it should be even.. If an average PVEer can average X stones per evening of doing dungeons, An average PVPer should average the same amount from an evening of Pvping.

@Biro123
The Kill X amount of whomever stuff in Cyrodil and the current daily IC kill quest types or just drop these from kills in how loot drops today in PvP randomly but change it to be useful items....surely you would rather do those vs grinding AP and TV for this new commodity?

Ahh, yeah, that would work. For some reason I thought you meant the quests in the villages!

Gilliamtherogue · September 2017

Creative Design (Rich Lambert) said they'll also come from RotW and End of Camp rewards.
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SaintSubwayy · September 2017

sevomd69 wrote: »

All you people thinking its gonna be easy to re-trait gear... these crystals are gonna have a drop rate like aethereal dust or require many crystals to transmute...

I guess if they "destroy" the system with a crazy low droprate, they gona *** of so many ppl

actually I'd like something like:
Vet Dungeon 20% droprate for 1st, 5% for 2nd
Vet Trial 50% droprate 1st Cristal, 10% for 2nd
Vet Dungeon HM 70% Droprate for 1st, 20% for 2nd
Vet HM Trial 100% Droprate for 1 Cristal, 50% for 2nd, 10% for 3rd

The Droprate counts for the whole group, so you get 1 Cristal in vet HM guaranteed but for the whole group, so you'd have to trade them to ppl who need them.

RomanCaesar · September 2017

I would be very surprised if doing just a few veterans dungeons will be enough to convert an item. I expect it will much rarer, more in the area of 1 in 50 runs will net you enough for 1 retrait. I believe this new system is more of a supplement than a replacement for farming a set.

Example, I remember farming BSW. Must have run it 150-200 times because i just couldn't get the legs in divines (spoiler, i did eventually). I had the rest of the armor easily within the first 100 runs. Its situations like that i believe the new system will come into play. I would have earned 2 retrait crystals in that first 100 runs, could have burned one on the legs and would have been done.

We'll see how it shakes out, but if my scenario is correct, i would say 1M is a more reasonable price tag. I rarely PVP and i have 2.5M AP sitting in my bank. About 2M of that is from the last double PVP event.

Takes-No-Prisoner · September 2017

Feanor wrote: »

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sevomd69 · September 2017

RomanCaesar wrote: »

I would be very surprised if doing just a few veterans dungeons will be enough to convert an item. I expect it will much rarer, more in the area of 1 in 50 runs will net you enough for 1 retrait. I believe this new system is more of a supplement than a replacement for farming a set.

Example, I remember farming BSW. Must have run it 150-200 times because i just couldn't get the legs in divines (spoiler, i did eventually). I had the rest of the armor easily within the first 100 runs. Its situations like that i believe the new system will come into play. I would have earned 2 retrait crystals in that first 100 runs, could have burned one on the legs and would have been done.

We'll see how it shakes out, but if my scenario is correct, i would say 1M is a more reasonable price tag. I rarely PVP and i have 2.5M AP sitting in my bank. About 2M of that is from the last double PVP event.

^^This^^

If they make it too easy to transmute... then they will be killing off gear grinding... now if drop rates were low then essentially the grind will be for two things... both the item and/or the crystals...

Joy_Division · September 2017

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Creative Design (Rich Lambert) said they'll also come from RotW and End of Camp rewards.
Source;

Good to hear!

Recremen · September 2017

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Creative Design (Rich Lambert) said they'll also come from RotW and End of Camp rewards.
Source;

Man they thought of everything! It's not fair, people need something to be mad about!!

For real though this is sounding like just the best-planned new system in a while, and they've had some pretty great new systems.

Recremen · September 2017

sevomd69 wrote: »

RomanCaesar wrote: »

I would be very surprised if doing just a few veterans dungeons will be enough to convert an item. I expect it will much rarer, more in the area of 1 in 50 runs will net you enough for 1 retrait. I believe this new system is more of a supplement than a replacement for farming a set.

Example, I remember farming BSW. Must have run it 150-200 times because i just couldn't get the legs in divines (spoiler, i did eventually). I had the rest of the armor easily within the first 100 runs. Its situations like that i believe the new system will come into play. I would have earned 2 retrait crystals in that first 100 runs, could have burned one on the legs and would have been done.

We'll see how it shakes out, but if my scenario is correct, i would say 1M is a more reasonable price tag. I rarely PVP and i have 2.5M AP sitting in my bank. About 2M of that is from the last double PVP event.

^^This^^

If they make it too easy to transmute... then they will be killing off gear grinding... now if drop rates were low then essentially the grind will be for two things... both the item and/or the crystals...

@sevomd69

Killing off gear grinding is good, though. Why would choose wasting our time instead of enjoying the content, or heaven forbid needing to play for fewer hours? I think there's a certain amount of content hours per content type that they need to keep going to make sure there's a healthy community size at all hours, but anything beyond that is absolutely pointless.

sevomd69 · September 2017

Recremen wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

RomanCaesar wrote: »

I would be very surprised if doing just a few veterans dungeons will be enough to convert an item. I expect it will much rarer, more in the area of 1 in 50 runs will net you enough for 1 retrait. I believe this new system is more of a supplement than a replacement for farming a set.

Example, I remember farming BSW. Must have run it 150-200 times because i just couldn't get the legs in divines (spoiler, i did eventually). I had the rest of the armor easily within the first 100 runs. Its situations like that i believe the new system will come into play. I would have earned 2 retrait crystals in that first 100 runs, could have burned one on the legs and would have been done.

We'll see how it shakes out, but if my scenario is correct, i would say 1M is a more reasonable price tag. I rarely PVP and i have 2.5M AP sitting in my bank. About 2M of that is from the last double PVP event.

^^This^^

If they make it too easy to transmute... then they will be killing off gear grinding... now if drop rates were low then essentially the grind will be for two things... both the item and/or the crystals...

@sevomd69

Killing off gear grinding is good, though. Why would choose wasting our time instead of enjoying the content, or heaven forbid needing to play for fewer hours? I think there's a certain amount of content hours per content type that they need to keep going to make sure there's a healthy community size at all hours, but anything beyond that is absolutely pointless.

At least for me... gear grind is what keeps me interested in a game...the sheer exhilaration of getting that divine valkyn helm after about 200+ runs... its like skooma on meth... for example... I loved Diablo 3, until my buddy taught me the dupe glitch... and gave me a billion gold... then I just lost interest in the game because there was nothing for me to strive for...

BTW... don't care about leaderboards and such...

Osteos · September 2017

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Creative Design (Rich Lambert) said they'll also come from RotW and End of Camp rewards.
Source;

Excellent news!

NyassaV · September 2017

Rich Lambert Responded to an inquiry from FengRush, stating that they will drop in rewards from the worthy