LET US BUY TRANSMUTATION CRYSTALS WITH AP (LOTS OBVIOUSLY)

Betsararie

They need to be available for AP or awarded to PvP players in some way.

ZOS needs to throw more of a bone to people who solely PvP (I am not one of those people, I do both). But as it is now, players get very little for playing PvP vs playing PvE.

MissBizz

Blanco wrote: »

They need to be available for AP or awarded to PvP players in some way.

ZOS needs to throw more of a bone to people who solely PvP (I am not one of those people, I do both). But as it is now, players get very little for playing PvP vs playing PvE.

@Blanco flip back to page 2 in this thread... you'll see it's now been determined they will come from ROTW bags and end of campaign rewards

Brrrofski

It's good they're doing that. I play both almost equally, so I'm not fussed either way. I can get them either way.

I do hate the arguement PVErs have against them dropping in PvP though. They have to grind AP to get vigor, caltrops, warhorn etc. I get that. But you can get them in an afternoon, even if not a great PVPer. They always seem to forget actually levelling a character needs to be done in Pve (as well as skyshards), undaunted, mages guild, fighters guild, a lot of armor sets etc.

Recremen

sevomd69 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

RomanCaesar wrote: »

I would be very surprised if doing just a few veterans dungeons will be enough to convert an item. I expect it will much rarer, more in the area of 1 in 50 runs will net you enough for 1 retrait. I believe this new system is more of a supplement than a replacement for farming a set.

Example, I remember farming BSW. Must have run it 150-200 times because i just couldn't get the legs in divines (spoiler, i did eventually). I had the rest of the armor easily within the first 100 runs. Its situations like that i believe the new system will come into play. I would have earned 2 retrait crystals in that first 100 runs, could have burned one on the legs and would have been done.

We'll see how it shakes out, but if my scenario is correct, i would say 1M is a more reasonable price tag. I rarely PVP and i have 2.5M AP sitting in my bank. About 2M of that is from the last double PVP event.

^^This^^

If they make it too easy to transmute... then they will be killing off gear grinding... now if drop rates were low then essentially the grind will be for two things... both the item and/or the crystals...

@sevomd69

Killing off gear grinding is good, though. Why would choose wasting our time instead of enjoying the content, or heaven forbid needing to play for fewer hours? I think there's a certain amount of content hours per content type that they need to keep going to make sure there's a healthy community size at all hours, but anything beyond that is absolutely pointless.

At least for me... gear grind is what keeps me interested in a game...the sheer exhilaration of getting that divine valkyn helm after about 200+ runs... its like skooma on meth... for example... I loved Diablo 3, until my buddy taught me the dupe glitch... and gave me a billion gold... then I just lost interest in the game because there was nothing for me to strive for...

BTW... don't care about leaderboards and such...

@sevomd69

You can still grind for gear after this, all it does is make the game better for people who would rather do other things with their time.

Rainraven

Purchasable with Tel-Var would be good. The way AP is awarded is so full of perverse incentives I'm not excited about making it any more important than it is now.

But some system for PVPers doing PVP to get the shiny should be part of this.

Rainraven

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Creative Design (Rich Lambert) said they'll also come from RotW and End of Camp rewards.
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Yay!

Cryptical

No.

Emerge from the pvp treadmill. Do something new.

kargen27

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

ZOS was so close on making this a good system. They should have just made weapons/armor malleable. If you have specific traits unlocked, then your weapons and armor can be changed, freely between them, whenever we want, to match the content that we are doing.

That would get rid of this stupid having to carry around two types of armor for two different types of content problem. I hate that I have to carry two sets of the same armor (Impen for PVP, Divines for PVE).

Nah that would kill the game. MMOs survive on players repeating content. No need to repeat if you can just make your perfect weapon/armor whenever you want.

TequilaFire

Cryptical wrote: »

No.

Emerge from the pvp treadmill. Do something new.

PvE treadmill? Pfft - no.

dsalter

Turelus wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

As some one who PvPs I mostly agree. However, getting transmutation crystals via rewards of the worthy, end of campaign rewards would be a nice gesture.

End of campaign rewards with more for each placement in the leaderboard tiers could be something to help push people to compete for the top on single characters again.

If you keep it to only the gold/purple tier it also means more work for people who want to get them on every alt.

why not both ap and rewards? AP could be a silly amount while rewards could help you dedicate more into the pvp for cheaper ones

Morgul667

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Creative Design (Rich Lambert) said they'll also come from RotW and End of Camp rewards.
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Is that true ? If yes that is awesome !

SydneyGrey

No matter what, most players are still going to be shut out of getting those transmutation thingies.

Illurian

What is it PvP players say to PvE players moaning about warhorn/caltrops/vigor?

Boohoo you have to play the game mode to reap the benefits?

It doesn't take that long?

Boo. Hoo.

Feanor

I dare say the players who get shut out most likely are those that don't really need them...

Irfind

Feanor wrote: »

I dare say the players who get shut out most likely are those that don't really need them...

... shure, but i want them for my monster helm from the golden trader in cyrodiil

Feanor

I'm pretty sure I won't need more than, let's say, 10 transmutation opportunities. I don't think I'll bother with regular gear transmutation but reserve that for the vMA and vDSA weapons in my bank (and possibly Asylum weapons if they turn out to be good). If the stones are easy to get, that might change.

Qbiken

Anyone know if these transmutation stones will be BoP or not???

Personally I hope they´re BoP, and I also hope that the weapon/gear you decide to re-trait will become BoP (In order to affect the market as little as possible)

templesus

Feanor wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think gold tier rewards would be a good solution. The purple tier is easily reachable if you play a couple of hours PvP per week, especially on buff campaigns. Having your char within the top 2% is harder and avoids it being a straight handout. The players who prefer PvP reach this threshold easily anyway.

True, but, not everyone can PvP that hard or as long as the guy who can stay on 24 hours a day defending his Emperorship ya know? Needs to have some more accessibility to get guy who can only really play on weekends and some week nights.

The top 2% are normally the best 40 players or so per alliance depending on campaign population for the alliance. During the PvP event I did get gold rewards on rank 68 though still. Nothing to do with having to be on 24/7.

This is an absolute lie and so far from the truth its actually appalling. The "best 40 players" are almost always solo/small scalers, not zerglings, thus their ap gains are much lower.

Pele

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Creative Design (Rich Lambert) said they'll also come from RotW and End of Camp rewards.
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Awesomeness. Thanks for sharing.

Feanor

templesus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think gold tier rewards would be a good solution. The purple tier is easily reachable if you play a couple of hours PvP per week, especially on buff campaigns. Having your char within the top 2% is harder and avoids it being a straight handout. The players who prefer PvP reach this threshold easily anyway.

True, but, not everyone can PvP that hard or as long as the guy who can stay on 24 hours a day defending his Emperorship ya know? Needs to have some more accessibility to get guy who can only really play on weekends and some week nights.

The top 2% are normally the best 40 players or so per alliance depending on campaign population for the alliance. During the PvP event I did get gold rewards on rank 68 though still. Nothing to do with having to be on 24/7.

This is an absolute lie and so far from the truth its actually appalling. The "best 40 players" are almost always solo/small scalers, not zerglings, thus their ap gains are much lower.

Obviously I meant "best by AP", not "best by skill level". I thought that was clear in the context. Of course the players at the top of the leaderboards are not always the "best" players. Though I would contest your assessment that zerging yields more AP than a good coordinated small scale group makes. I never heard Zerg Squad complaining for example. Right @MLRPZ ?

Mondini

Why do 'pure pvp' players feel like they need special treatment. it takes 20 minutes to complete some vet dungeons. just grind like everyone else. You think 'pure pve' players enjoy grinding dungeons?
ESO is an MMO not a pvp game anyway. There will be certain items locked behind certain content and that's just the way it goes.

Zaldan

doubt ZO$ will add an option to buy crystals with any currency except clown$, they want players to have to run content and want it to be a grind, adding a very small chance to get them via rewards( rewards of the worthy etc) might be an option as it keeps the grind randomness they love so much.

Mayrael

The only thing I want is to have a way to get the stones in game. Hope they will never put them into store as its not cosmetic item. Also as someone already mentioned stones and transmutated gear should be bound - this would be much healthier for economy.

Tyrion87

Khenarthi wrote: »

Or let us buy the things with Master Writ vouchers? That would be awesome...

That would be fantastic! I have so many vouchers right now and there is nothing to buy (I don't buy gold furnishing recipes, already have Ebony style, all crafting stations and skeletons, don't need centurions).

Takes-No-Prisoner

TequilaFire wrote: »

Staying up in the top 2% does require playing everyday.
Yesterday I was #8 on the EP PS4 Vivec NA when I went to sleep, when I woke up I was down to #50.
My next session I will climb back up but for those that can't log in every day it is much harder.

I was #25 Monday night. I took Tuesday off to rest and Wednesday night I looked at it I was #90.

OC_Justice

My thoughts,

ESO is a PVE game with a PVP add on. If you don't want to run the dungeons, you won't get the transmute items.
This game was not developed for the PVP minority it was developed for the PVE majority.
They should not be purchasable by any means, writs, AP or gold.

In order to have a minimal impact on the economy they should BoP as are the weapons and armor in these dungeons and trials. Weapons and armor can only be traded with people on the run within a given time frame.

Should these transmute items be trade-able?
If they were what impact would that have on economy?

Feanor

It seems a lot of people are concerned they can't rip off others with 200k+ weapons any longer.

ThoraxtheDark

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Creative Design (Rich Lambert) said they'll also come from RotW and End of Camp rewards.
Source;

The PVP gods have made the call and it was answered! So awesome.

TequilaFire

OC_Justice wrote: »

My thoughts,

ESO is a PVE game with a PVP add on. If you don't want to run the dungeons, you won't get the transmute items.
This game was not developed for the PVP minority it was developed for the PVE majority.
They should not be purchasable by any means, writs, AP or gold.

In order to have a minimal impact on the economy they should BoP as are the weapons and armor in these dungeons and trials. Weapons and armor can only be traded with people on the run within a given time frame.

Should these transmute items be trade-able?
If they were what impact would that have on economy?

Without PvP the game would have nothing to do but fight mindless robots.
I am pleased to see that the devs are dropping the stones in PvP.

OC_Justice

TequilaFire wrote: »

OC_Justice wrote: »

My thoughts,

ESO is a PVE game with a PVP add on. If you don't want to run the dungeons, you won't get the transmute items.
This game was not developed for the PVP minority it was developed for the PVE majority.
They should not be purchasable by any means, writs, AP or gold.

In order to have a minimal impact on the economy they should BoP as are the weapons and armor in these dungeons and trials. Weapons and armor can only be traded with people on the run within a given time frame.

Should these transmute items be trade-able?
If they were what impact would that have on economy?

Without PvP the game would have nothing to do but fight mindless robots.
I am pleased to see that the devs are dropping the stones in PvP.

Fighting "mindless robots" is how gaming started.

Where was it stated that they will be dropping in PVP, if they do drop it will be off of "mindless robots." I don't care where they drop i just don't believe they should be purchasable.