Stop wearing NETCHES TOUCH

Avnr · September 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Avnr wrote: »

I RUN 5 SEDUCER - 5 HEALER - MAELSRTOM DESTRO RESTO - 32K DPS - INFINITY MAGICKA

SRY MY CAPS LOCK BROKEN

@Avnr

then here...

WHAT?
I'M AN OLD MAN I DON'T UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY

WHAT?

Dymence · September 2017

Waseem wrote: »

1) trial bosses are not dps dummy

2)in raid you cast your pet every other rotation because it died or have to call it because its attacking wrong target, or it got stuck somewhere where you have to re-summon it after u realize its been gone for 5 minutes

netch is decent set as all the skills you can set would be lightning except haunting curse, and it does the best damage on execute by having a fully buffed rotation.. for trials like vhof its just the best

and let's be honest here, your clothes effect on your dps is less than 2% -,- its all up to how you play and what you do in the group..

you can replace bound aeges for scamp on aoe phases like vmol "trash pulls"

and this patch in compartion to previous ones,, its play how you want !!!!!!!!!!!
traits with less power creep, sets with less power creep.. best what happened in ESO yet.

If you have any form of awareness, this is not a problem. You can resummon and control your pet as much as is needed. If you don't realise it, that's your problem.

I'll agree with you on the gear though. You can use like 4-5 different gear setups and you won't notice any DPS difference. Granted that you use a pet rotation.

Asardes · September 2017

I didn't even need to farm that on purpose. As a cautious person I've actually kept all the divine pieces and jewelry from that set gained from running pledges and only had to farm the head and shoulders - got them after about a dozen runs in total - while clearing the dungeon solo on normal. On some of the runs I didn't even bother buffing with food and I didn't even notice. That's why a certain plane of Oblivion does to mediocre players once they open that chest under the "doughnut" a few times

CGPsaint · September 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Highest i ever seen was 30k which is sad for a sorc. So what gives?

Why are you so concerned over what sets other people are using? If they're pulling a minimum 30K DPS, then what's the issue? I personally have quite a few different sets (Including Netch's Touch) that I carry on my Mag Sorc, so that I can swap sets based on what my group needs. I don't enjoy running a pet build, and as such will pick Netch's over it any day.

Bkella · September 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Ok i know when pts went live the first 2 weeks netches and julianos was killing it. Thennnnnn the crit nerf mundus happened.

And now every sorc in tamriel is running netches and julianos. And the dps is not great at all.

Sorc pets still dominate parses when it comes to sorcs whether you like it or not.

Pet sorcs still doing 40kdps with necro moondancer may i ask what netches julianos is doin in parses?

Highest i ever seen was 30k which is sad for a sorc. So what gives?

I know title seems little harsh I really dont care what people run as long as they know its not bis. But i really dont get why people are going out of way to make a weaker build.

I had a guildmate change his sets to netches julianos iceheart from moondancer necro and vma staff and hes doin 7k less dps now.

So is netches worth it at all?

Not sure why you are blasting netch, your problem is stated because of the nerf to Thief mundus? Netches is still very good for Sorc and can be paired with many other sets to get high end DPS. Sounds like your problem is more with Julianos than netch.

Izaki · September 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

A Pet Sorc will always out parse a Non-Pet Sorc, especially in AoE DPS.

I've wanted to farm Netch but haven't got around to it yet. I don't think it is bad, but in general 5x Infallible Mage is likely better and provides more for overall group damage. With that said 5x Juli/5x Netch is not a bad setup at all If you are troubled my those Magicka Sorcs dealing so much less DPS I'd like for you to know rn that this is due to the class, not the sets.

Magicka Sorcs were indirectly nerfed this patch. Magicka NB puts out more DPS (not as high AoE DPS as Pet Sorcs) as well as more group utility especially w/ Funnel Health, though their rotation isn't as easy to perform well imo.

But they don't give synergies. So Sorc still important in raids. Especially considering the importance of Alkosh nowadays for both magicka and stamina builds.

paulsimonps · September 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

A Pet Sorc will always out parse a Non-Pet Sorc, especially in AoE DPS.

I've wanted to farm Netch but haven't got around to it yet. I don't think it is bad, but in general 5x Infallible Mage is likely better and provides more for overall group damage. With that said 5x Juli/5x Netch is not a bad setup at all If you are troubled my those Magicka Sorcs dealing so much less DPS I'd like for you to know rn that this is due to the class, not the sets.

Magicka Sorcs were indirectly nerfed this patch. Magicka NB puts out more DPS (not as high AoE DPS as Pet Sorcs) as well as more group utility especially w/ Funnel Health, though their rotation isn't as easy to perform well imo.

But they don't give synergies. So Sorc still important in raids. Especially considering the importance of Alkosh nowadays for both magicka and stamina builds.

Depends on how you form your group, I would love to wear alkosh but its far easier and far more consistent to just wear Torugs. Sure you might do really well with a prefect rotation of Alkosh with your Infused Crusher but that is a pipe dream and in a lot of situations you don't get the right synergies on time or enough synergies, and sometimes the synergies down right don't work. Until they make improvements on Synergies I would just say run Torugs and your life gets way easier. But again you are right, as a tank I LOVE synergies, alkosh or not, it helps with sustain and I can help with other stuff or get nice bonuses. So I do love always having a mag sorc in the group.

NotNormanBates · September 2017

Am i the only one who thinks 5 necro 4 IA/moon w/ infused lightning, infused/charged/nirn vMA lightning staff, and 2 illambris is still better then 2 5 piece sets with, or without a vMA staff?

Balsagna · September 2017

I like the part in this post where you are complaining because people are only doing 30K dps. I think you should stop pugging as a whole if that's what your expectations are.

Asardes · September 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

I like the part in this post where you are complaining because people are only doing 30K dps. I think you should stop pugging as a whole if that's what your expectations are.

Let's be honest, most PuGs barely reach that number as a group, and that's if you are lucky. And most likely you'll meet with sorcs trailing a Clannfear and spamming hard cast Crystal Blast and doing light attacks when they run out of juice for DPS, then proceed to curse the tank and healer for not tanking and healing enough when they get rekt from standing in the poop. I've seen plenty of 500 CP players doing that. So stop being "elitist" and accept that everyone plays as they want, even as they PuG with you to farm a set they most likely have no idea how to use effectively because they watched a youtube video from which they didn't understand anything.

FakeFox · September 2017

Because the pet is annoying as hell? I personally stopped playing Magsorc because it's either play with that stupid thing or be useless.

dpencil1 · September 2017

NotNormanBates wrote: »

Am i the only one who thinks 5 necro 4 IA/moon w/ infused lightning, infused/charged/nirn vMA lightning staff, and 2 illambris is still better then 2 5 piece sets with, or without a vMA staff?

No @NotNormanBates
Anthough I didn't specifically compare to Netch, I did compare to Julianos, which has very similar set bonuses, in my Pet Sorc Set Comparison thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/369734/pet-sorc-dps-set-comparison-with-parse-data/p1
The 5/5/1 setup lost the lead with the last minute nerfs to thief/shadow/precise/sorrow.

NotNormanBates · September 2017

dpencil1 wrote: »

NotNormanBates wrote: »

Am i the only one who thinks 5 necro 4 IA/moon w/ infused lightning, infused/charged/nirn vMA lightning staff, and 2 illambris is still better then 2 5 piece sets with, or without a vMA staff?

No @NotNormanBates
Anthough I didn't specifically compare to Netch, I did compare to Julianos, which has very similar set bonuses, in my Pet Sorc Set Comparison thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/369734/pet-sorc-dps-set-comparison-with-parse-data/p1
The 5/5/1 setup lost the lead with the last minute nerfs to thief/shadow/precise/sorrow.

I figured that the change crit bonuses kinda did the combo in. Spent so much money golding sets out to test and just ended up falling back to my same setup as last patch, minus sharpened and thief. I'm also finding that i get more damage from mage over apprentice, albeit not by a much. I wish i was on pc... Console makes testing so much harder lol. Thanks for all your maths pencil. Much appreciated

maryriv · September 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set).

@rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
This statement is false. I have personally tested it. Although pets do lightning damage, all of their damage comes from max magicka. Boosting spell damage, whether specifically lightning related or not, does nothing for pets.

WRONG, the sorc pet scales off of multiple variables from it's host not JUST max magicka.

He obviously meant 5/5 and VMA staff.

Completely false. The damage is only affected by mag Magicka, nothing else.

WEONG AGAIN. It used to scale off max magicka only now it scales off of things like crit chance, crit damage and penetration.

Huyen · September 2017

News-flash: not everyone is into doing trials, or simply dont have the time / guild for it. So they pick what they like best.

DPShiro · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set).

@rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
This statement is false. I have personally tested it. Although pets do lightning damage, all of their damage comes from max magicka. Boosting spell damage, whether specifically lightning related or not, does nothing for pets.

WRONG, the sorc pet scales off of multiple variables from it's host not JUST max magicka.

He obviously meant 5/5 and VMA staff.

Completely false. The damage is only affected by mag Magicka, nothing else.

WEONG AGAIN. It used to scale off max magicka only now it scales off of things like crit chance, crit damage and penetration.

It was always like that, it's nothing new and the pet could always crit, I'm talking about it not being affected by spell damage.

Asardes · September 2017

If they made the pet scale off spell damage too it would bin Necropotence for good. Imagine the extra dreugh wax and ancestor silk mixed with the sour tears of the player the day those netch potes hit live.

paulsimonps · September 2017

maryriv wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set).

@rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
This statement is false. I have personally tested it. Although pets do lightning damage, all of their damage comes from max magicka. Boosting spell damage, whether specifically lightning related or not, does nothing for pets.

WRONG, the sorc pet scales off of multiple variables from it's host not JUST max magicka.

He obviously meant 5/5 and VMA staff.

Completely false. The damage is only affected by mag Magicka, nothing else.

WEONG AGAIN. It used to scale off max magicka only now it scales off of things like crit chance, crit damage and penetration.

Those kinds of things always effected it though...... you are being picky. its not like they never did critical strikes before or anything.

DPShiro · September 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

maryriv wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set).

@rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
This statement is false. I have personally tested it. Although pets do lightning damage, all of their damage comes from max magicka. Boosting spell damage, whether specifically lightning related or not, does nothing for pets.

WRONG, the sorc pet scales off of multiple variables from it's host not JUST max magicka.

He obviously meant 5/5 and VMA staff.

Completely false. The damage is only affected by mag Magicka, nothing else.

WEONG AGAIN. It used to scale off max magicka only now it scales off of things like crit chance, crit damage and penetration.

Those kinds of things always effected it though...... you are being picky. its not like they never did critical strikes before or anything.

Exactly, it has always been the case.

Vaoh · September 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

A Pet Sorc will always out parse a Non-Pet Sorc, especially in AoE DPS.

I've wanted to farm Netch but haven't got around to it yet. I don't think it is bad, but in general 5x Infallible Mage is likely better and provides more for overall group damage. With that said 5x Juli/5x Netch is not a bad setup at all If you are troubled my those Magicka Sorcs dealing so much less DPS I'd like for you to know rn that this is due to the class, not the sets.

Magicka Sorcs were indirectly nerfed this patch. Magicka NB puts out more DPS (not as high AoE DPS as Pet Sorcs) as well as more group utility especially w/ Funnel Health, though their rotation isn't as easy to perform well imo.

But they don't give synergies. So Sorc still important in raids. Especially considering the importance of Alkosh nowadays for both magicka and stamina builds.

Yep.

That's why you run one Magicka Sorc in an optimal raid setup. Running 1 Sorcerer (much better to be Magicka-based) gives your group access to Minor Prophecy as well as the Conduit synergy. Besides that stack up on Mag NBs for off heals as well as better DPS

An optimal group setup seems to be 2 Templar Healers, 2 DK Tanks, 3 Stamina DK DPS, 1 Stamina Templar DPS, 1 Magicka Sorc DPS, and 3 Magicka NB DPS. You don't have to do this ofc, but the idea is that Stamina DK is the top Stam DPS and Magicka NB is the top Magicka DPS. Fill your group up with those setups for optimal damage, but make sure to fit in a Sorc somewhere for Minor Prophecy and Templar for Minor Resist debuffs. Warden brings *nothing* to the group, which is besides the fact that they are outclassed in Support roles and outright horrid for DPS.

just my observations so far....

Dymence · September 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

A Pet Sorc will always out parse a Non-Pet Sorc, especially in AoE DPS.

I've wanted to farm Netch but haven't got around to it yet. I don't think it is bad, but in general 5x Infallible Mage is likely better and provides more for overall group damage. With that said 5x Juli/5x Netch is not a bad setup at all If you are troubled my those Magicka Sorcs dealing so much less DPS I'd like for you to know rn that this is due to the class, not the sets.

Magicka Sorcs were indirectly nerfed this patch. Magicka NB puts out more DPS (not as high AoE DPS as Pet Sorcs) as well as more group utility especially w/ Funnel Health, though their rotation isn't as easy to perform well imo.

But they don't give synergies. So Sorc still important in raids. Especially considering the importance of Alkosh nowadays for both magicka and stamina builds.

Yep.

That's why you run one Magicka Sorc in an optimal raid setup. Running 1 Sorcerer (much better to be Magicka-based) gives your group access to Minor Prophecy as well as the Conduit synergy. Besides that stack up on Mag NBs for off heals as well as better DPS

An optimal group setup seems to be 2 Templar Healers, 2 DK Tanks, 3 Stamina DK DPS, 1 Stamina Templar DPS, 1 Magicka Sorc DPS, and 3 Magicka NB DPS. You don't have to do this ofc, but the idea is that Stamina DK is the top Stam DPS and Magicka NB is the top Magicka DPS. Fill your group up with those setups for optimal damage, but make sure to fit in a Sorc somewhere for Minor Prophecy and Templar for Minor Resist debuffs. Warden brings *nothing* to the group, which is besides the fact that they are outclassed in Support roles and outright horrid for DPS.

just my observations so far....

I wouldn't say magicka nightblade is the top magicka DPS.

They have great single target for sure, but they are lacking in AOE damage compared to sorcs.

Nifty2g · September 2017

Runschei wrote: »

Not everyone goes for the meta and I'm 100% fine with that.

Why wouldn't you go for the meta? Just seems like pure ignorance.

Vaoh · September 2017

Dymence wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

A Pet Sorc will always out parse a Non-Pet Sorc, especially in AoE DPS.

I've wanted to farm Netch but haven't got around to it yet. I don't think it is bad, but in general 5x Infallible Mage is likely better and provides more for overall group damage. With that said 5x Juli/5x Netch is not a bad setup at all If you are troubled my those Magicka Sorcs dealing so much less DPS I'd like for you to know rn that this is due to the class, not the sets.

Magicka Sorcs were indirectly nerfed this patch. Magicka NB puts out more DPS (not as high AoE DPS as Pet Sorcs) as well as more group utility especially w/ Funnel Health, though their rotation isn't as easy to perform well imo.

But they don't give synergies. So Sorc still important in raids. Especially considering the importance of Alkosh nowadays for both magicka and stamina builds.

Yep.

That's why you run one Magicka Sorc in an optimal raid setup. Running 1 Sorcerer (much better to be Magicka-based) gives your group access to Minor Prophecy as well as the Conduit synergy. Besides that stack up on Mag NBs for off heals as well as better DPS

An optimal group setup seems to be 2 Templar Healers, 2 DK Tanks, 3 Stamina DK DPS, 1 Stamina Templar DPS, 1 Magicka Sorc DPS, and 3 Magicka NB DPS. You don't have to do this ofc, but the idea is that Stamina DK is the top Stam DPS and Magicka NB is the top Magicka DPS. Fill your group up with those setups for optimal damage, but make sure to fit in a Sorc somewhere for Minor Prophecy and Templar for Minor Resist debuffs. Warden brings *nothing* to the group, which is besides the fact that they are outclassed in Support roles and outright horrid for DPS.

just my observations so far....

I wouldn't say magicka nightblade is the top magicka DPS.

They have great single target for sure, but they are lacking in AOE damage compared to sorcs.

"lacking" is not the right word here....Magicka Sorcerers can put out more AoE DPS than other classes but it's not at all like those other classes put out weak AoE DPS. Also Stamina AoE DPS is good too (well.... Stam DPS as a whole puts Magicka to shame now).

When melting down adds, you drop your AoE DoTs which melt all of the lesser adds and then focus tougher opponents. Single Target DPS is MUCH more important than AoE DPS because AoE DPS is already high enough and single target DPS determines how quick you burn through boss fights/mechanics. Plus you're bringing one Sorc for all of their group benefits anyway and that's all you need.

This is not to mention that bringing those Magicka NBs allows your group to gain powerful off heals which truly do help out.

Trust me, you'll be surprised how much better Mag NB actually is now compared to Magicka Sorc assuming the player is skilled at Mag NB. It is certainly more difficult to perform a Mag NB rotation though over a Mag Sorc rotation which is very noob friendly.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2017

It's not rocket science and not much has changed. Pet builds are the best magic sorc DPS. Some people don't like pets, some trial fights are not pet friendly, and there is one trial fight in particular where pets can wipe your group. For any of those reasons, sorcs need another option. Netch is one of those options. My magic sorc certainly carries a set.

Dymence · September 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

A Pet Sorc will always out parse a Non-Pet Sorc, especially in AoE DPS.

I've wanted to farm Netch but haven't got around to it yet. I don't think it is bad, but in general 5x Infallible Mage is likely better and provides more for overall group damage. With that said 5x Juli/5x Netch is not a bad setup at all If you are troubled my those Magicka Sorcs dealing so much less DPS I'd like for you to know rn that this is due to the class, not the sets.

Magicka Sorcs were indirectly nerfed this patch. Magicka NB puts out more DPS (not as high AoE DPS as Pet Sorcs) as well as more group utility especially w/ Funnel Health, though their rotation isn't as easy to perform well imo.

But they don't give synergies. So Sorc still important in raids. Especially considering the importance of Alkosh nowadays for both magicka and stamina builds.

Yep.

That's why you run one Magicka Sorc in an optimal raid setup. Running 1 Sorcerer (much better to be Magicka-based) gives your group access to Minor Prophecy as well as the Conduit synergy. Besides that stack up on Mag NBs for off heals as well as better DPS

An optimal group setup seems to be 2 Templar Healers, 2 DK Tanks, 3 Stamina DK DPS, 1 Stamina Templar DPS, 1 Magicka Sorc DPS, and 3 Magicka NB DPS. You don't have to do this ofc, but the idea is that Stamina DK is the top Stam DPS and Magicka NB is the top Magicka DPS. Fill your group up with those setups for optimal damage, but make sure to fit in a Sorc somewhere for Minor Prophecy and Templar for Minor Resist debuffs. Warden brings *nothing* to the group, which is besides the fact that they are outclassed in Support roles and outright horrid for DPS.

just my observations so far....

I wouldn't say magicka nightblade is the top magicka DPS.

They have great single target for sure, but they are lacking in AOE damage compared to sorcs.

"lacking" is not the right word here....Magicka Sorcerers can put out more AoE DPS than other classes but it's not at all like those other classes put out weak AoE DPS. Also Stamina AoE DPS is good too (well.... Stam DPS as a whole puts Magicka to shame now).

When melting down adds, you drop your AoE DoTs which melt all of the lesser adds and then focus tougher opponents. Single Target DPS is MUCH more important than AoE DPS because AoE DPS is already high enough and single target DPS determines how quick you burn through boss fights/mechanics. Plus you're bringing one Sorc for all of their group benefits anyway and that's all you need.

This is not to mention that bringing those Magicka NBs allows your group to gain powerful off heals which truly do help out.

Trust me, you'll be surprised how much better Mag NB actually is now compared to Magicka Sorc assuming the player is skilled at Mag NB. It is certainly more difficult to perform a Mag NB rotation though over a Mag Sorc rotation which is very noob friendly.

Oh I know all about how much Mag NB has improved since the last patches. I'm in several raids running with NBs who perform very well.

I just don't feel like they're that far ahead of sorcs as you make it seem. Rather equals out on total DPS most of the time, with a slight edge towards single target for Mag NBs. The Mag Sorcs vs Mag NBs situation is rather balanced tbh. You can bring either one to a raid and perform equally well.

Hanokihs · September 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Not everyone goes for the meta and I'm 100% fine with that.

Why wouldn't you go for the meta? Just seems like pure ignorance.

Sometimes ignorance is just more entertaining? That's my stance, anyway.

I'll be honest. Every time I see the term "BiS" I think "Best in Show" because players who throw it around are nothing but a bunch of prissy mutts trotting around in a circle. Everyone wants to run around in gear identical to the next person, playing in the exact same style; how anyone can enjoy that is beyond me. If it's just copy-paste, where's the uniqueness? Personal style and flair? What's the point in playing that way? You may as well watch someone else do it.

I like lightning; I wear Netch. Zap-zap, pew-pew.
I hate the scamp and transformed him into a clannfear because it looks like a dinosaur. Rawr.
I like spamming ultimates based on whatever effects I think are awesome; I wear Akaviri. Boom goes the ice comet.
My character is married; I never take off his Ring of Mara, even though I could use that slot for something else. Tru love, yo.

I probably do about half the possible dps with my pet build, if that. Oh well. Fun is fun.

Nifty2g · September 2017

Hanokihs wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Not everyone goes for the meta and I'm 100% fine with that.

Why wouldn't you go for the meta? Just seems like pure ignorance.

Sometimes ignorance is just more entertaining? That's my stance, anyway.

I'll be honest. Every time I see the term "BiS" I think "Best in Show" because players who throw it around are nothing but a bunch of prissy mutts trotting around in a circle. Everyone wants to run around in gear identical to the next person, playing in the exact same style; how anyone can enjoy that is beyond me. If it's just copy-paste, where's the uniqueness? Personal style and flair? What's the point in playing that way? You may as well watch someone else do it.

I like lightning; I wear Netch. Zap-zap, pew-pew.
I hate the scamp and transformed him into a clannfear because it looks like a dinosaur. Rawr.
I like spamming ultimates based on whatever effects I think are awesome; I wear Akaviri. Boom goes the ice comet.
My character is married; I never take off his Ring of Mara, even though I could use that slot for something else. Tru love, yo.

I probably do about half the possible dps with my pet build, if that. Oh well. Fun is fun.

To answer your first statement is very easy; Bis is most efficient. You want to be efficient in a game that is highly based around calculations there is always going to be something that will be the most powerful. That is just how it is in this game.

What I don't get is why you'd put yourself at a disadvantage in a game that is based on calculations and acknowledge that you are doing so and then continue to question those who are getting the most out of it, not even question it you are blindly throwing insults at them calling them "prissy mutts"

Dymence · September 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

Hanokihs wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Not everyone goes for the meta and I'm 100% fine with that.

Why wouldn't you go for the meta? Just seems like pure ignorance.

Sometimes ignorance is just more entertaining? That's my stance, anyway.

I'll be honest. Every time I see the term "BiS" I think "Best in Show" because players who throw it around are nothing but a bunch of prissy mutts trotting around in a circle. Everyone wants to run around in gear identical to the next person, playing in the exact same style; how anyone can enjoy that is beyond me. If it's just copy-paste, where's the uniqueness? Personal style and flair? What's the point in playing that way? You may as well watch someone else do it.

I like lightning; I wear Netch. Zap-zap, pew-pew.
I hate the scamp and transformed him into a clannfear because it looks like a dinosaur. Rawr.
I like spamming ultimates based on whatever effects I think are awesome; I wear Akaviri. Boom goes the ice comet.
My character is married; I never take off his Ring of Mara, even though I could use that slot for something else. Tru love, yo.

I probably do about half the possible dps with my pet build, if that. Oh well. Fun is fun.

To answer your first statement is very easy; Bis is most efficient. You want to be efficient in a game that is highly based around calculations there is always going to be something that will be the most powerful. That is just how it is in this game.

What I don't get is why you'd put yourself at a disadvantage in a game that is based on calculations and acknowledge that you are doing so and then continue to question those who are getting the most out of it, not even question it you are blindly throwing insults at them calling them "prissy mutts"

A lot of people simply enjoy running with a theme as long as they're still able to complete content. For them it's about fun over efficiency. It's really not that hard of a concept to understand.

That said, I personally enjoy getting the most out of my character and always try to further improve.

To each their own.

Ir0nB34r · September 2017

Before I get into any detail, let me start by saying that I have all of 4 days of experience with DPS builds. Since launch on Xbox I have been playing a Sorc Tank, but over the last weekend rebuilt him as a DPS.

That being said, I did the cookie-cutter Necro Pet build. And yeah, its pretty good with AOE. I was running with 5 Necro, 5 Netch, and 1 Kena. Lightning staves of both bars. With the rotation suggested by Alcast, I managed an average of 12k dps over the course of 10 complete testing dummy burns (3m health). The burn would take about 4 or so minutes. Again, this is an average. I also reached out to several guild mates for suggestions. Tried their rotations, and had mixed results.

I next tried another 10 tests, but this time I replaced Necro with Julianos and removed the pet from my rotation. My DPS improved to an average of 17k to 18k, with my highest being just over 20k dps. Over 10 burns, the average time was about 2 minutes.

Vaoh · September 2017

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A Pet Sorc will always out parse a Non-Pet Sorc, especially in AoE DPS.

I've wanted to farm Netch but haven't got around to it yet. I don't think it is bad, but in general 5x Infallible Mage is likely better and provides more for overall group damage. With that said 5x Juli/5x Netch is not a bad setup at all If you are troubled my those Magicka Sorcs dealing so much less DPS I'd like for you to know rn that this is due to the class, not the sets.

Magicka Sorcs were indirectly nerfed this patch. Magicka NB puts out more DPS (not as high AoE DPS as Pet Sorcs) as well as more group utility especially w/ Funnel Health, though their rotation isn't as easy to perform well imo.

But they don't give synergies. So Sorc still important in raids. Especially considering the importance of Alkosh nowadays for both magicka and stamina builds.

Yep.

That's why you run one Magicka Sorc in an optimal raid setup. Running 1 Sorcerer (much better to be Magicka-based) gives your group access to Minor Prophecy as well as the Conduit synergy. Besides that stack up on Mag NBs for off heals as well as better DPS

An optimal group setup seems to be 2 Templar Healers, 2 DK Tanks, 3 Stamina DK DPS, 1 Stamina Templar DPS, 1 Magicka Sorc DPS, and 3 Magicka NB DPS. You don't have to do this ofc, but the idea is that Stamina DK is the top Stam DPS and Magicka NB is the top Magicka DPS. Fill your group up with those setups for optimal damage, but make sure to fit in a Sorc somewhere for Minor Prophecy and Templar for Minor Resist debuffs. Warden brings *nothing* to the group, which is besides the fact that they are outclassed in Support roles and outright horrid for DPS.

just my observations so far....

I wouldn't say magicka nightblade is the top magicka DPS.

They have great single target for sure, but they are lacking in AOE damage compared to sorcs.

"lacking" is not the right word here....Magicka Sorcerers can put out more AoE DPS than other classes but it's not at all like those other classes put out weak AoE DPS. Also Stamina AoE DPS is good too (well.... Stam DPS as a whole puts Magicka to shame now).

When melting down adds, you drop your AoE DoTs which melt all of the lesser adds and then focus tougher opponents. Single Target DPS is MUCH more important than AoE DPS because AoE DPS is already high enough and single target DPS determines how quick you burn through boss fights/mechanics. Plus you're bringing one Sorc for all of their group benefits anyway and that's all you need.

This is not to mention that bringing those Magicka NBs allows your group to gain powerful off heals which truly do help out.

Trust me, you'll be surprised how much better Mag NB actually is now compared to Magicka Sorc assuming the player is skilled at Mag NB. It is certainly more difficult to perform a Mag NB rotation though over a Mag Sorc rotation which is very noob friendly.

Oh I know all about how much Mag NB has improved since the last patches. I'm in several raids running with NBs who perform very well.

I just don't feel like they're that far ahead of sorcs as you make it seem. Rather equals out on total DPS most of the time, with a slight edge towards single target for Mag NBs. The Mag Sorcs vs Mag NBs situation is rather balanced tbh. You can bring either one to a raid and perform equally well.

Mag NB kinda is that much ahead though...... Like it's definitely not what we see with Stamina DPS where Stam DK > everything else but you still want to use the best DPS.

Mag NB is pushing higher single target DPS (by a decent margin) and even gives group offheals. A Mag Sorc increases group AoE DPS at the expense of those other two more important benefits. Mag NB is better but ppl are still stuck in the "Mag Sorc OP" mentality.