Stop wearing NETCHES TOUCH

Ihatenightblades

Ok i know when pts went live the first 2 weeks netches and julianos was killing it. Thennnnnn the crit nerf mundus happened.

And now every sorc in tamriel is running netches and julianos. And the dps is not great at all.

Sorc pets still dominate parses when it comes to sorcs whether you like it or not.

Pet sorcs still doing 40kdps with necro moondancer may i ask what netches julianos is doin in parses?

Highest i ever seen was 30k which is sad for a sorc. So what gives?

I know title seems little harsh I really dont care what people run as long as they know its not bis. But i really dont get why people are going out of way to make a weaker build.

I had a guildmate change his sets to netches julianos iceheart from moondancer necro and vma staff and hes doin 7k less dps now.

So is netches worth it at all?

Runschei

Not everyone goes for the meta and I'm 100% fine with that.

Ihatenightblades

Runschei wrote: »

Not everyone goes for the meta and I'm 100% fine with that.

Thats fine my only problem is why are some people downgrading on purpose?

paulsimonps

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Not everyone goes for the meta and I'm 100% fine with that.

Thats fine my only problem is why are some people downgrading on purpose?

Cause some people really really really hate the scamp.

leeux

Because not everyone likes pets? I know I don't and I'd never use a pet build even at the loss of DPS...

paulsimonps

As well, in fights where the scamp is bad its good to have another option to wear.

Ihatenightblades

leeux wrote: »

Because not everyone likes pets? I know I don't and I'd never use a pet build even at the loss of DPS...

Ok good reason. I would love to hear more from others that went from pet to netches non pet.

djdc1234

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Ok i know when pts went live the first 2 weeks netches and julianos was killing it. Thennnnnn the crit nerf mundus happened.

And now every sorc in tamriel is running netches and julianos. And the dps is not great at all.

Sorc pets still dominate parses when it comes to sorcs whether you like it or not.

Pet sorcs still doing 40kdps with necro moondancer may i ask what netches julianos is doin in parses?

Highest i ever seen was 30k which is sad for a sorc. So what gives?

I know title seems little harsh I really dont care what people run as long as they know its not bis. But i really dont get why people are going out of way to make a weaker build.

I had a guildmate change his sets to netches julianos iceheart from moondancer necro and vma staff and hes doin 7k less dps now.

So is netches worth it at all?

Oh well . get over it

Ihatenightblades

djdc1234 wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Ok i know when pts went live the first 2 weeks netches and julianos was killing it. Thennnnnn the crit nerf mundus happened.

And now every sorc in tamriel is running netches and julianos. And the dps is not great at all.

Sorc pets still dominate parses when it comes to sorcs whether you like it or not.

Pet sorcs still doing 40kdps with necro moondancer may i ask what netches julianos is doin in parses?

Highest i ever seen was 30k which is sad for a sorc. So what gives?

I know title seems little harsh I really dont care what people run as long as they know its not bis. But i really dont get why people are going out of way to make a weaker build.

I had a guildmate change his sets to netches julianos iceheart from moondancer necro and vma staff and hes doin 7k less dps now.

So is netches worth it at all?

Oh well . get over it

No

Vaoh

A Pet Sorc will always out parse a Non-Pet Sorc, especially in AoE DPS.

I've wanted to farm Netch but haven't got around to it yet. I don't think it is bad, but in general 5x Infallible Mage is likely better and provides more for overall group damage. With that said 5x Juli/5x Netch is not a bad setup at all If you are troubled my those Magicka Sorcs dealing so much less DPS I'd like for you to know rn that this is due to the class, not the sets.

Magicka Sorcs were indirectly nerfed this patch. Magicka NB puts out more DPS (not as high AoE DPS as Pet Sorcs) as well as more group utility especially w/ Funnel Health, though their rotation isn't as easy to perform well imo.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

My apologies but I have tested netch touch and necro sets. So running netch touch does more damage compared to necropotance equivalent:

5 netch touch
2 monster set
4 moondancer or IA
1 Maelstorm staff

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set). It means that you wont loose any extra resources if it dies so that is a plus. Necro is not the only set on which you can slot a pet.

Not only that it does more damage but you can also remove the pet where it is necessary in some Trial boss fights.

The only downsides are that wearing it you get less magicka which means less powerful shields and a bit less sustain. Larger magicka pool gives you more resources which can be beneficial when you need to burst a target. and it also gives a small boos to magicka recovery.

The other downside is that in order to make it most effective you need to wear 2 lightning staffs, or at least to re-arrange your abilities so that if you use inferno staff you do not cast flame spells.

And the tests that I did were with 5 purple netch touch compared to 5 gold necropotance pieces. Therefore, 5 gold netch touch will definitely give an even better result.

Cage_Lizardman

It's really the drag-me-by-the-hair-back-to-the-cave look that people want.

I know that's why I use it. Doesn't seem to matter what sets I use, don't get more than 20-25k either way.

Runschei

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Not everyone goes for the meta and I'm 100% fine with that.

Thats fine my only problem is why are some people downgrading on purpose?

I am an actual potato for posting without content.

I would say people 'downgrade' because Julianous is no farm.

Kneighbors

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Ok i know when pts went live the first 2 weeks netches and julianos was killing it. Thennnnnn the crit nerf mundus happened.

And now every sorc in tamriel is running netches and julianos. And the dps is not great at all.

Sorc pets still dominate parses when it comes to sorcs whether you like it or not.

Pet sorcs still doing 40kdps with necro moondancer may i ask what netches julianos is doin in parses?

Highest i ever seen was 30k which is sad for a sorc. So what gives?

I know title seems little harsh I really dont care what people run as long as they know its not bis. But i really dont get why people are going out of way to make a weaker build.

I had a guildmate change his sets to netches julianos iceheart from moondancer necro and vma staff and hes doin 7k less dps now.

So is netches worth it at all?

HEY HEY HEY!!! STOP THERE!!!

Alcast posted that this build, so this is the meta!!! No need to ruin this with facts please, let the people enjoy.

JamieAubrey

Should I be wearing this set instead of Seducer/Lich ?

GodAizen

Are you doing 5 moondancer or 4 with monster?

Bouldercleave

I can't stand rolling with pets on my Sorc. Julianos and Seducer works just fine for what I do.

I don't chase the meta though.

Dymence

5 Julianos 5 Netch 1 Iceheart and vMA staff backbar is great DPS and there's no noticable difference between a build with Necropotence.

However, you'll still want to run a pet rotation as it's simply the best. Underperfoming DPS comes from a bad rotation, not the gear setup.

I can post you some vHoF parses with the setup if you're interested. Granted you even know what good DPS is in there.

grannas211

Dymence wrote: »

5 Julianos 5 Netch 1 Iceheart and vMA staff backbar is great DPS and there's no noticable difference between a build with Necropotence.

However, you'll still want to run a pet rotation as it's simply the best. Underperfoming DPS comes from a bad rotation, not the gear setup.

I can post you some vHoF parses with the setup if you're interested. Granted you even know what good DPS is in there.

How are you getting 5-5-1 and a VMA staff?

dpencil1

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set).

@rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
This statement is false. I have personally tested it. Although pets do lightning damage, all of their damage comes from max magicka. Boosting spell damage, whether specifically lightning related or not, does nothing for pets.

idk

It is not a bad thing for every mSorc to have Netches. Any Sorc that raids needs something other than pets.

Pets cannot be used on the final bosses of vAA and vHRC and while I have not tried to run a pet on the final boss of vHoF, it seems to be an issue for the same reasons, especially HM. Pets are also problematic for the mSorc on the 4th boss in vHoF, they keep dying. Someone has probably found a way to keep them alive, but that would also probably lead to a drop in DPS.

So to say mSorcs need to stop wearing Netches is a little off.

Also, probably more to it than just a pet build or non pet Netch build making up the difference in DPS. Much changes this past patch.

geonsocal

are there any pets at all which can go in to stealth...

I've tried pets in cyrodiil.a few times - I guess they're fine to have out in open zerg combat, or, outpost/keep sieges...

just seems like a lot of circumstances occur when you have to quickly hide...

dpencil1

@geonsocal
Pets stealth with you. Not sure why you think they don't.

geonsocal

it's been awhile...okay, you got me - i just hate pets: combat, non-combat, irl...

I'm a bit of a low maintenance (read: lethargic) individual...pets = too much work

bebynnag

but the combination of barbaric & dro'mathra look amazing vemperic high elf!

GrumpyDuckling

dpencil1 wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set).

@rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
This statement is false. I have personally tested it. Although pets do lightning damage, all of their damage comes from max magicka. Boosting spell damage, whether specifically lightning related or not, does nothing for pets.

Are you sure this is accurate?

O_LYKOS

Not everyone plays to wear bis. I wear what I want whether it's considered bis or I just wanna wear something more fun

Ihatenightblades

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set).

@rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
This statement is false. I have personally tested it. Although pets do lightning damage, all of their damage comes from max magicka. Boosting spell damage, whether specifically lightning related or not, does nothing for pets.

Are you sure this is accurate?

Doesnt matter if that's accurate its facts that necro pet build is atleast 5k minimum more dps than netches.

Whether netches boosts shock or not..

Dymence

grannas211 wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

5 Julianos 5 Netch 1 Iceheart and vMA staff backbar is great DPS and there's no noticable difference between a build with Necropotence.

However, you'll still want to run a pet rotation as it's simply the best. Underperfoming DPS comes from a bad rotation, not the gear setup.

I can post you some vHoF parses with the setup if you're interested. Granted you even know what good DPS is in there.

How are you getting 5-5-1 and a VMA staff?

You break your Julianos set when you swap to your vMA bar, but it's not an issue as long as you minimize your time on that bar as much as possible. I only have my Liquid Lightning and Blockade on there with the occasional shield and destro ult.

dpencil1

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set).

@rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
This statement is false. I have personally tested it. Although pets do lightning damage, all of their damage comes from max magicka. Boosting spell damage, whether specifically lightning related or not, does nothing for pets.

Are you sure this is accurate?

@GrumpyDuckling
Yes. 100%.

paulsimonps

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Running netch touch does not mean that you should not use a pet (scamp does shock damage remember so it also gets buffed by this set).

@rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
This statement is false. I have personally tested it. Although pets do lightning damage, all of their damage comes from max magicka. Boosting spell damage, whether specifically lightning related or not, does nothing for pets.

Are you sure this is accurate?

Doesnt matter if that's accurate its facts that necro pet build is atleast 5k minimum more dps than netches.

Whether netches boosts shock or not..

But as someone else said before, that 5k DPS lose is accepted with in fights where the scamp can cause harm or become useless or hard to get to the right spot. Fights like the Mage, Warrior, Serpent, Assembly General, Trio before the General and Maws twins. In some of these fights you can use them, but they can either be harder to control or be a danger to the group, or die a lot, so many prefer to discard them completely when those fights come up.