I'm disappointed ZoS(rare mounts)

swippy · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Making an item have this low of a drop chance does not seem right to me or not being able to get it with gems.

not sure if it has already been said, but in a time=money way, this is exactly how the people who've never gotten their drop from vMA feel about it, i'd wager

FloppyTouch · August 2017

swippy wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Making an item have this low of a drop chance does not seem right to me or not being able to get it with gems.

not sure if it has already been said, but in a time=money way, this is exactly how the people who've never gotten their drop from vMA feel about it, i'd wager

I stop running vMA bc of this to much time for an item that would increase my dps but really isn't needed to clear any of the content in the game. RNG in this game is so broke when it comes time drop rates of stuff we want but RNG seems to favor proc sets bc they always proc on cool down.

Weird how that works

Rouven · August 2017

The main point is that this business model tries to offer something for every size of wallet.

Everyone is going to complain at his/her own pain threshold. Be it 10, 100, 1000 or 10000 dollar per month, week or whatever.
You say as long as you can directly pay for it it's fine. Well at $100 it might be as unreachable for many as is this one item that you might have to dish out $10000 now (no guarantees, but who cares, add another zero to the amount then or double it).

Best to either make your peace with it and continue to support this model financially - or don't of course.

At the end of the day this is just another continuation of the whole "crate" discussion in the first place. Since that did not have an impact - and I would personally wager there were more people involved - this is not going to have an impact either.
Because a few will still spend enough to justify the business model.

I'll tell you my own moment where I said I don't like this anymore - and of course it will sound silly to some. This crate-season there where too many things in the 100 gem bracket. I don't like to feel like a hamster of sorts playing catch up or miss out on unique opportunities.

Which is in itself just another continuation of the limited time buy now marketing pressure.

As for the rest I still see a certain level of quality and a certain amount of content/collectibles that are available outside of this crate system - so I'm not worried it will destroy/corrupt the game (at least not any more than it has already) and just enjoy it at my level without glancing to much at the rest.

DonWalking · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Even money can't buy luck....

I even sent a ticket in asking if I could just buy the mount I didn't care how much it cost me and the message I got was you have to buy crown crates and it's a rare chance for them to drop we are not selling them out right (paraphrasing)

So you're saying that you tried bribing ZoS to just give you the mount for however much they wanted? XD reminds me of a millionaire trying to buy a certain reward from a raffle and the people trying to explain you can't buy it, you have to win it.

rotaugen454 · August 2017

I'm a bit of a whale myself, but this change put me off buying any crates. I have gems that I might use to buy a couple things from this season, but making it so you can't guarantee getting something regardless of amount spent really turned me off to it. ZoS will reverse it if sales plummet, but will keep it if they don't. That's the sales move they are guaranteed to make.

Defilted · August 2017

The OP makes a suggestion that after you buy so many crates that you should get a higher increase in % chance receiving a rare item.

I do not see them doing this although I think it is a good idea. The reason I think this is becasue in a very similar area of dungeon grinding for gear to get the rare Sharpened whatever you do not get an increased chance of getting based on time spent (which IMO is more valuable then money). Someone reading this will say , yeah but the OP is taking about spending money, not talking about spending time in a dungeon which is viewed as free.

To this this I say that ZOS seems to have the mentality overall that the RNG grind is the superior system when compared to other systems inside and outside of ESO. Based on this belief I do not see them changing the loot crate system to something similar to the OP's suggestion.

If tomorrow ZOS implemented a dungeon system that allowed a user to receive dungeon tokens for killing bosses to be exchanged for the drops inside of the the dungeon I might change my attitude on the Crown crates as they would (In my mind) show signs of understanding that the RNG system is not the best system.

Wildcopper · August 2017

Diminish wrote: »

I stopped caring at -

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I have been a huge supporter of crown crates spent thousands of dollars on them.

You realize that you are the reason your problem exists in the first place, don't you?

FloppyTouch wrote: »

This is not right if I spend the money I should have the option to buy it.

You lost that option as soon as you started supporting this *** crown crate business model.

Diminish hit the nail right on the head.

hookemhorns212 · August 2017

I just have to say this: THEIR when talking about possession. There is for showing direction or talking about existence.

Examples:
Their house is beautiful.

There is a dog over there with brown spots.

Theirs is a tough situation to be in.

Can you put their game over there for me?

Off the grammar soap box.

Sweetpea704 · August 2017

I like the crown crates. I always get a set of them when they come out. I actually did get one of the rare mounts, the horse. I didn't even notice it was different than the others. My friend pointed it out. All I wanted, was to buy the senche cat with gems, which I did. The crown crates are fun if you aren't particular about what you want and you buy stuff from the crown stores anyway. I end up with a lot of gems because I own a lot of mounts, pets, and costumes. I ended up getting a couple of costumes that I missed. I got a couple of fun pets. I liked the monocle I got and put it on my sorc. I even still have around 60 gems for next time.

Crown crates aren't fun if you are only getting them to try to get ONE particular thing. RNG is real.

Korah_Eaglecry · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

A problem would be if I lost my house and job bc of this. A problem is when it effects ur life. This does not harm me in any way I don't see ur point. What might seem a lot for you is not a lot for another.

My issue and the point a lot of you are missing is for some there is no way to get these mounts. I'm disappointed that I can't get these I could throw thousands more and still never get it. Want I do with my money is none of ur business. How ZoS tricks me into thinking I can get a mount is an issue.

Well it sure sounds like you're on your way. Unless you're a millionaire (which you're not; millionaires don't do this kind of thing with their money), thousands of dollars is a lot to spend on microtransactions. Then again, I don't know what your spending timeline looks like, so maybe it isn't a lot. But that's still crazy. Nobody with sense spends thousands of dollars gambling. And they especially don't get upset when they logically don't win a grand prize. ZOS did not trick you into anything. You understood what this was when you bought the first 300 crates and decided to keep buying them regardless.

I'm glad to meet someone on the forums that knows so much about me in rl and also knows many millionaires and how they spend there cash.

You seem to be missing the point of this post no point in saying the same thing over again. I'm sorry how I spend my money upsets you.

You seem really upset that no one feels bad for you and your poor decisions. No one here is going to sympathize with someone that can afford to blow thousands of dollars on the off chance of winning a digital item that wont do you any good when the servers are turned off. Why should they? They have bills to pay, they have children to feed. Meanwhile youre coming on here and crying about your poor wallet while simultaneously telling everyone how much expendable cash you have access too.

Its like a billionaire walking into a homeless shelter and wanting the homeless to listen to his woes of losing an investment on the stockmarket.

FloppyTouch · August 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

A problem would be if I lost my house and job bc of this. A problem is when it effects ur life. This does not harm me in any way I don't see ur point. What might seem a lot for you is not a lot for another.

My issue and the point a lot of you are missing is for some there is no way to get these mounts. I'm disappointed that I can't get these I could throw thousands more and still never get it. Want I do with my money is none of ur business. How ZoS tricks me into thinking I can get a mount is an issue.

Well it sure sounds like you're on your way. Unless you're a millionaire (which you're not; millionaires don't do this kind of thing with their money), thousands of dollars is a lot to spend on microtransactions. Then again, I don't know what your spending timeline looks like, so maybe it isn't a lot. But that's still crazy. Nobody with sense spends thousands of dollars gambling. And they especially don't get upset when they logically don't win a grand prize. ZOS did not trick you into anything. You understood what this was when you bought the first 300 crates and decided to keep buying them regardless.

I'm glad to meet someone on the forums that knows so much about me in rl and also knows many millionaires and how they spend there cash.

You seem to be missing the point of this post no point in saying the same thing over again. I'm sorry how I spend my money upsets you.

You seem really upset that no one feels bad for you and your poor decisions. No one here is going to sympathize with someone that can afford to blow thousands of dollars on the off chance of winning a digital item that wont do you any good when the servers are turned off. Why should they? They have bills to pay, they have children to feed. Meanwhile youre coming on here and crying about your poor wallet while simultaneously telling everyone how much expendable cash you have access too.

Its like a billionaire walking into a homeless shelter and wanting the homeless to listen to his woes of losing an investment on the stockmarket.

Assume much?

Runs · August 2017

I think this is exactly how the crown crates were designed to work originally.

If you watch the gamescom tavern video from last year Matt Firor mentions there will be "super special mounts that you can only get in these".

That kind of got taken away after the initial backlash when they added the ability to turn in unwanted items for crown gems and the ability to purchase the mounts with them.

It appears they just added a way to bring back the original idea of super special mounts that are rare.

Video for reference...

https://youtu.be/4UcmPeXG7qQ?t=8m28s

RustyBlades · August 2017

That's odd since you can buy any "rare" mount with GEMS. You just convert the junk you don't want to GEMS, 400 gems later and you can get whatever mount you want out of the top tier. That's how I got my sweet Dwarf Wolf mount. Not seeing how you could spend 1k on crates and not get enough free gems to buy whatever you want. Is that like 1K in Nigerian dollars?

ThePrinceOfBargains · August 2017

RustyBlades wrote: »

That's odd since you can buy any "rare" mount with GEMS. You just convert the junk you don't want to GEMS, 400 gems later and you can get whatever mount you want out of the top tier. That's how I got my sweet Dwarf Wolf mount. Not seeing how you could spend 1k on crates and not get enough free gems to buy whatever you want. Is that like 1K in Nigerian dollars?

There are secret "Ultra Rare" mounts that can only be obtained through Con Crates.

Panomania · August 2017

<sighs>

Free game, no monthly sub required. That means they need to find alternative ways to cover costs to keep things running.

Quite obviously few of you have even a shred of a clue as to how much it can cost every month to fund a business like this. Newsflash: it aint chump change. Payroll, healthcare (which anymore is ridiculously high), advertising, licensing, infrastructure both virtual and meatworld....advertising???....you get the idea.

Hell, I doubt many of you will make in your lifetime what it probably costs ZOS each year just in legal and accounting fees. I mean, I know ZOS isnt a major tech giant, but some of those companies literally have to spend more in legal than they do in R&D most years. Its probably just as bad for game companies.

I subscribe, and I am happy to do so. I like the perks I get, but more importantly, for me, I support a game I enjoy and want to be able to play for years to come. To do that ZOS not only has to be profitable, they need to be lucratively profitable....or they wont be able to afford new development. It wont make any sense for them to stay open if its not only profitable but VERY profitable. Otherwise there are other projects they could pursue that will pay well.

Crown store purchases allow ZOS to make the game free to play. Without em you'd all sub to play, or the game would shut down....and most probably the monthly fee would be a good chunk higher than Plus is now (clue to the clueless: thats why most game companies went to this model....because costs keep climbing, and it would end up 20 to 30 a month just to keep the lights on).

So to those of you who dont sub, and dont buy from the crown store....you're welcome for us covering your playtime. For those who want to gamble with something like crowncrates to get a complete and total vanity item.....I have to wonder what you expected?? After all....the more you spend does not mean the greater your chance of finding what you want. If its 1 in 1000 on the first crate.....guess what?? Its 1 in 1000 on the 5000th crate. Sometimes you just have crap luck. Deal with it or dont gamble.

Panomania · August 2017

Oh, and if you think ZOS just arbitrarily assigns a RNG number to these items you're goofy. I can guarantee you they estimate from a host of data how many people will want item X, get a rough idea what they are willing to spend on it, then assign a value based on that data. After all: they DO want people in game to have the item, because that sells it better than a website pic can.

Again, RNGeezus just has it in for you this month.

Panomania · August 2017

There are secret "Ultra Rare" mounts that can only be obtained through Con Crates

Double Secret Probation Pony?

Orlacc · August 2017

Been to Vegas yet?

Hanokihs · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

BloodWolfe wrote: »

STOP SUPPORTING CROWN CRATES! These are the epitome of greed. That amount of money could have been spent in many better ways. I'm all for supporting this game which is why I'm an ESO+ subscriber and buy the odd additional crown packs but the crates are beyond ridiculous and people need to stop buying them.

I refuse to buy the overpriced crap too. Sorry but 5k+ for any motif is bs, 4k mundus stones is bs, anything about 2500 crowns for a mount is bs, the prices to buy houses is again bs. I can buy other full games for these prices, ZOS is far too greedy and focus on the few who buy blindly over pricing more reasonably and getting more sales which brings more money in the long run. Damn greed and short sightedness is what is wrong with this industry and the people who support it are just as bad.

Nobody to blame but yourself though.

Another poster that misses the point.

I'm not blaming anyone, and I agree 100% it's why I stated next season if there is these super rare rng mount I will not be buying them. It's my choice in the end.

I tried bc it was new it did not play out well and I won't be doing it again. What this has cost ZoS is a huge supporter of this game. I hope you can try to understand where I am coming from instead of trying to shame me in any way. I know it's the popular view on these crates and makes you feel high and mighty but this is not where I'm coming from.

I get what you're saying, and I 100% agree with your statement. After all the money you spent, and all the pulls that weren't what you wanted, you feel discouraged from trying again. At least if you'd gotten it, you'd have a ballpark guess on how much you'd have to spend next time, but with it left so open-ended, there's no clue. You could spend 5, 10, or 20 times that amount and still never get the one item you're looking for. As it stands, that's no longer a gamble you're willing to take.

Furthermore, ZoS has broken faith a bit. They can't even come out and just say "Okay, yeah, that's a lot. You've more than paid for these pixels," and put the mount in your account for you. That's probably to discourage others from taking the same route and netting them less money in the long run (potentially?), but it still feels like you're being left out in the cold. It kinda sucks. And sucky feelings don't make people happy to throw their wallets at things, whether they can afford the cost or not.

I'm sorry it ended this way for you. It ended similarly for me, too. I bought a LOT of crates, even more than you, but I didn't get the drop-only mount I wanted. Like everyone else, I've only seen reports that people got it on their first go, or that it came in one of the free boxes. I won't pretend I'm not jealous of their luck, but it is what it is.

I don't get the people who keep going, "Well that's what you get for buying them, then." Like we lost some great battle of common sense or willpower. I get that it's not guaranteed that I'll fish out the exact thing I'm looking for, just like I also get that taking any kind of moral/financial high ground isn't going to change their mind on this business model. They'll ALWAYS sell enough to justify having them, and the demographic of players on the forum is just a drop in the bucket compared to the total amount who play and never even look at this place or who never voice opinions - positive or negative. It's not impossible to win unless you just don't gamble at all, and the feedback is more akin to "Give us a better shot if you want us to make it rain again."

Stonyfoot · August 2017

Meanwhile I got two vitrine wolves out of three crates. That's RNG for you.

Queo · August 2017

TheMaster wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

A problem would be if I lost my house and job bc of this. A problem is when it effects ur life. This does not harm me in any way I don't see ur point. What might seem a lot for you is not a lot for another.

My issue and the point a lot of you are missing is for some there is no way to get these mounts. I'm disappointed that I can't get these I could throw thousands more and still never get it. Want I do with my money is none of ur business. How ZoS tricks me into thinking I can get a mount is an issue.

Well it sure sounds like you're on your way. Unless you're a millionaire (which you're not; millionaires don't do this kind of thing with their money), thousands of dollars is a lot to spend on microtransactions. Then again, I don't know what your spending timeline looks like, so maybe it isn't a lot. But that's still crazy. Nobody with sense spends thousands of dollars gambling. And they especially don't get upset when they logically don't win a grand prize. ZOS did not trick you into anything. You understood what this was when you bought the first 300 crates and decided to keep buying them regardless.

Millionaires dont do this kind of thing??? WTH are you smoking? You hear it all the time millionaires doing stupid *** with their money. Hell there was a Football player in Seattle that had his car robbed and lost 30k in MTG cards. Yeah maybe the older generation might not be playing video games, but a lot of them has spent serious kinds of money on a stupid hobby.

Queo · August 2017

Floppy i get your point. They removed the back stop that made it exceptable to get worthless junk. Thats the issue, its not the price or even the RNG, its the ability to NOT buy the mount you wanted after X amount of fails. I agree, the crates are fun. My Wife often gets them with her Crowns as she wants nothing from the store but has a ESO+ membership. I get them once in a while when i have some extra crowns after gettting what i want. We both save the gems for the mount, but if they get rid of that, whats the point?

JKorr · August 2017

RustyBlades wrote: »

That's odd since you can buy any "rare" mount with GEMS. You just convert the junk you don't want to GEMS, 400 gems later and you can get whatever mount you want out of the top tier. That's how I got my sweet Dwarf Wolf mount. Not seeing how you could spend 1k on crates and not get enough free gems to buy whatever you want. Is that like 1K in Nigerian dollars?

Nope. Not with these. There are mounts that you can NOT buy with gems. If you don't get them in the crates, you don't get them, period. In addition to the Apex rewards listed above, you may also reveal one of these very rare mounts, which are currently only obtainable as a reward from a Dwarven Crown Crate: Adamant Dwarven Horse, Ebon Dwarven Senche & Vitrine Dwarven Wolf

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26101

Nerouyn · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I have been a huge supporter of crown crates spent thousands of dollars on them. I have never complained about them at all it's by choice I buy them. The plus side to me about crown crates is I can convert items into gems and just buy the cool mount I really want. But with the new crown crates that has been taken away from me.

This is really sad to hear.

I'm not going to take up gambling myself, but the ability to buy specific items with gems was one of the few redeeming features of crates.

Evil monetisation strategies like this are what drive me to play and spend my money on other games instead.

Yarlenzey · August 2017

I have spent a lot of money on this, also. I'm happy with that, as it gives me the right to complain when my purchased product does not meet my expectations.

I got the senche as a surprise and I was entirely pleased to get it and I value it's rarity.
I also got the sabre cat as a planned purchase to obtain a 'limited edition' item.

I wouldn't like either of these to be made available for purchase. A lot of this game is about the 'pose factor'.

Sorry that you haven't got the item that you wanted; I also got several, glowing green mounts that I didn't want and are just plain ridiculous.

tap3ahchinaeb17_ESO · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I have spent over 1k usd on crown crates trying so hard to get that rare horse mount but time after time failed attempt after failure.

Thank you for this post.
I've been buying everything so far, including all collectibles from 2 previous rounds of crates. I was already on the edge to stop, and this info pushed me over it. I'm not spending another dime on this game!
This is extremely insidious method of taking somebody's money:

they started with subscription model with just a few items sold for cash
switched to F2P which is far more expensive if you are completist
gradually increased prices
crown crates
old collectibles included in crown crates which effectively decreases the chance to get new ones
crown crates collectibles that can't be bought for gems

I feel robbed. ZOS, you are nothing but a bunch of common thieves!

davey1107 · August 2017

On the one hand I'm tired of ZOS making it harder and more expensive to get items you want in the crown store...any form of gambling is a no-go for me. I'm not morally opposed, but I'm not going to spend $20 trying to get a Dro cub and end up with a G.D. flower bonnet. That's what I got with my free crates, and it reinforced that I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever play the crate game.

On the other, I'm also tired of the posts of braggadocio commenters blabbering about how they spend thousands on this game and can afford to and feel disappointed. Keep it in your pants, lol. And also consider that you are the very customers who enable this behavior. If we demanded that mounts be sold for 2,000 crowns directly by only buying them that way, ZOS would adapt to us. But when people spend hundreds then complain, they have little incentive to change.

Eligius · August 2017

TheMaster wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

A problem would be if I lost my house and job bc of this. A problem is when it effects ur life. This does not harm me in any way I don't see ur point. What might seem a lot for you is not a lot for another.

My issue and the point a lot of you are missing is for some there is no way to get these mounts. I'm disappointed that I can't get these I could throw thousands more and still never get it. Want I do with my money is none of ur business. How ZoS tricks me into thinking I can get a mount is an issue.

Well it sure sounds like you're on your way. Unless you're a millionaire (which you're not; millionaires don't do this kind of thing with their money), thousands of dollars is a lot to spend on microtransactions. Then again, I don't know what your spending timeline looks like, so maybe it isn't a lot. But that's still crazy. Nobody with sense spends thousands of dollars gambling. And they especially don't get upset when they logically don't win a grand prize. ZOS did not trick you into anything. You understood what this was when you bought the first 300 crates and decided to keep buying them regardless.

Sorry but this is exactly the sort of thing millionaires spend their money on in a lot of cases. I have a client that came into a pretty hefty windfall a dozen or so years ago that never, ever has to worry about money for the rest of his life. He and his wife enjoy playing games, they easily spend $10k+ a month on their gaming habit (games, computer upgrades, in-game purchases, etc..). They also give a good bit away to charity as well (IRS audit a couple of years back over the size of their charitable donations).

My sister and brother-in-law sold their first company for $40 million dollars. They don't play games, but one of the first things my brother-in-law did after selling his company was to spend an epic amount of money getting every album he ever wanted in vinyl that he didn't already have and then paid someone to digitize all of his albums (about 1500 of them) in the highest quality format available when he could have spent far less just getting them on itunes or whatnot. They are in the process of selling their second company for well over double that. They plan on having an epic cruise ship party when that sale goes through where it's just family, friends and the dozen or so people who work for them now. He's already priced it out to rent the entire ship for just this group of people for a week.

Heck, just search through JamesEdition.com now and then, it's the rich person's version of ebay/craigslist. They've sold freakin' Batmobiles there for $1 million.