I'm disappointed ZoS(rare mounts)

FloppyTouch

I have been a huge supporter of crown crates spent thousands of dollars on them. I have never complained about them at all it's by choice I buy them. The plus side to me about crown crates is I can convert items into gems and just buy the cool mount I really want. But with the new crown crates that has been taken away from me.

I have spent over 1k usd on crown crates trying so hard to get that rare horse mount but time after time failed attempt after failure. I have every item and all the mounts but not the rare one I wanted so bad. I feel like ZoS has let greed taken over finally and not given us a chance to just buy these rare mounts with gems. Even if these rare mounts where sold for 800 gems it would be better then locking them behind a complete rng wall.

In the MMORPG world I'm considered a whale, I have plenty of extra income and don't mind spending large amounts of money to get the fluff items I want but I have a breaking point.

I'm done spending any money on this game these rng mounts are the last straw. It's not the money it's the fact crate after crate after crate and nothing over and over again and no chance at getting it. This is not right if I spend the money I should have the option to buy it.

Edit: maybe adding a way to increase drop chance of rare mounts the more crates you open. For example after 10 crates chance of drop 10% more at 20 crates 20% more up to after 100 crates it's 100% chance to get one of the three rare mounts then it starts over again.

Having zero chance on pure rng rare mounts with no way to buy them via crown gems is not right

Tasear

Even money can't buy luck....

FloppyTouch

Tasear wrote: »

Even money can't buy luck....

I even sent a ticket in asking if I could just buy the mount I didn't care how much it cost me and the message I got was you have to buy crown crates and it's a rare chance for them to drop we are not selling them out right (paraphrasing)

FloppyTouch

I have friends that got that free crown crate and go them I feel like this was done to make people like me feel like it's possible to get the mount if we keep buying them. When in reality they are just taken are money and it's not even in the drop table.

BlackSparrow

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I have friends that got that free crown crate and go them I feel like this was done to make people like me feel like it's possible to get the mount if we keep buying them. When in reality they are just taken are money and it's not even in the drop table.

They're on the table. They're just really, really rare. There are tracking threads here:

• Dwarven Crown Crates Drop Rates
• Drop rates Data collection from Crown Crates with CrownCrateLogger Add-On

In the first thread, you can see that the rare mounts each dropped twice, max, in 1443 crates. However, RNG is gonna RNG... buying a ton of crates does not guarantee one will drop, because each successive crate has, individually, an astronomically low drop rate on them.

It stinks that you didn't get one. I'm not surprised. There was plenty of rage when the announcement was made because of this very scenario: because there was no way to earn or buy the mount you wanted other than RNG, and RNG can lead to people spending thousands for nothing. Personally, I'd be happy to pay 400+ gems for that wolf, but I never even tried to go for it, because there is no way to tell whether it would ever drop for any given person, much less when.

Sorry to hear you had such lousy luck, and by all means, stop spending money on the game if that's what you want to do. It may help send a message to upper management about this particular marketing stunt... but probably not. At least you've come out of it a little wiser for it.

Bigevilpeter

Its your fault for supporting this *** model.

mmcgibbo

What mount are you talking about?

grannas211

Damn. A thousand bucks and no dice? What the heck are the odds on these? That's insane

FloppyTouch

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its your fault for supporting this *** model.

I'm okay with supporting the game but after this first release of rare rng mount and spending a lot of money I will not be doing it again. I like to see it for myself before I judge anything and after opening as many crates as I have and seeing it for myself next season I will not buy any. I have over 900 gems so I'll be able to buy any mount next season but I won't try for rng rare mounts or crown crates anymore.

I'm not mad just disappointed they would treat high spenders and supporters of there game like this.

Peekachu99

Most good gatcha games have a counter where after a certain point ($500, let's say) you're guaranteed a rare. Once the online gambling laws eventually kick in across NA, we'll see similar measures.

TomCarterESO

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I have spent over 1k usd on crown crates


Damn...

FloppyTouch

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Most good gatcha games have a counter where after a certain point ($500, let's say) you're guaranteed a rare. Once the online gambling laws eventually kick in across NA, we'll see similar measures.

That would be nice

Icy_Waffles

Ans here i am using my free crown crate (1) and getting the horse and not even wanting it lol. I would rather they just sold everything outright. For me I would never spend that much money on a game, but to each his or her own. I am a gym rat and don't want to count how much money I've spent on that part of my life!

ParaNostram

You've spent... how much?

*deep breath and sigh*

Good lord... With so much money to burn have you considered giving some to the needy? I mean, I guarantee you'll feel better than you do after buying scam crates.

FloppyTouch

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Ans here i am using my free crown crate (1) and getting the horse and not even wanting it lol. I would rather they just sold everything outright. For me I would never spend that much money on a game, but to each his or her own. I am a gym rat and don't want to count how much money I've spent on that part of my life!

This is the issue almost everyone I talked to got those rare rng mounts from the free one this is the point of the thread. Like is was a lure to get the people that spend money to spend more because we see them running around but it's almost not even in the drop chance

Korah_Eaglecry

You knew going into this it was all up to chance and that youd have to drop a significant bit of cash to utilize the gems. Now youre stating what everyone against those things have been saying all along. Theyd be willing to outright buy the items...The only difference is youve dropped 1k and got nothing....You deserved to lose that money.

FloppyTouch

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

You knew going into this it was all up to chance and that youd have to drop a significant bit of cash to utilize the gems. Now youre stating what everyone against those things have been saying all along. Theyd be willing to outright buy the items...The only difference is youve dropped 1k and got nothing....You deserved to lose that money.

I have plenty of gems and you can't make judgment off wat other people say. I decided to see the drop chance for myself and after a considerable amount of money and no drop of rare rng mount im done. I got all the other dwemer mounts but not the rare colored one I wanted so I got my money's worth of items, just not the one I wanted.

People said before that the drop chance was bad on the 400 gem mount I disagree those are very easy to get my issue is the new rare mounts you can't buy with gems. After testing it myself with my own money I just won't try next time.

Crown crates with no chance to get the mount you want is not right, crown crates with a chance even with gems is just fine.

I think you are confused about the mounts you can buy with gems and the very rare ones you can't. I had never had to spend more then 200$ to get the 400 gems ones.

sevomd69

ParaNostram wrote: »

You've spent... how much?

*deep breath and sigh*

Good lord... With so much money to burn have you considered giving some to the needy? I mean, I guarantee you'll feel better than you do after buying scam crates.

Why assume he doesn't? He can do both...

ThePrinceOfBargains

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

Demycilian

A fool and their money are soon parted.

Davor

BlackSparrow wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I have friends that got that free crown crate and go them I feel like this was done to make people like me feel like it's possible to get the mount if we keep buying them. When in reality they are just taken are money and it's not even in the drop table.

They're on the table. They're just really, really rare. There are tracking threads here:

• Dwarven Crown Crates Drop Rates
• Drop rates Data collection from Crown Crates with CrownCrateLogger Add-On

In the first thread, you can see that the rare mounts each dropped twice, max, in 1443 crates. However, RNG is gonna RNG... buying a ton of crates does not guarantee one will drop, because each successive crate has, individually, an astronomically low drop rate on them.

It stinks that you didn't get one. I'm not surprised. There was plenty of rage when the announcement was made because of this very scenario: because there was no way to earn or buy the mount you wanted other than RNG, and RNG can lead to people spending thousands for nothing. Personally, I'd be happy to pay 400+ gems for that wolf, but I never even tried to go for it, because there is no way to tell whether it would ever drop for any given person, much less when.

Sorry to hear you had such lousy luck, and by all means, stop spending money on the game if that's what you want to do. It may help send a message to upper management about this particular marketing stunt... but probably not. At least you've come out of it a little wiser for it.

After reading this, this reaffirms my belief this is why it's a lottery and I believe it's illegal in the province of Ontario unless they have a permit to do so.

FloppyTouch

TheMaster wrote: »

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

A problem would be if I lost my house and job bc of this. A problem is when it effects ur life. This does not harm me in any way I don't see ur point. What might seem a lot for you is not a lot for another.

My issue and the point a lot of you are missing is for some there is no way to get these mounts. I'm disappointed that I can't get these I could throw thousands more and still never get it. Want I do with my money is none of ur business. How ZoS tricks me into thinking I can get a mount is an issue.

Davor

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its your fault for supporting this *** model.

It's your fault for supporting the game by playing it and being on the forums. So what is your point? You are not better and the orignal poster is no worse than you. You are supporting the game just like the orignal poster and all of us. So why are you blaming him/her?

Davor

ParaNostram wrote: »

You've spent... how much?

*deep breath and sigh*

Good lord... With so much money to burn have you considered giving some to the needy? I mean, I guarantee you'll feel better than you do after buying scam crates.

And the money you spend on internet and buying ESO you could have easily gave that to the needy as well. So why are you sighing. Same applies to you as well.

Davor

We really need a multi quote option here. Argh. That said, I am glad the original poster is not complaining at all but just explaining to ZOS and to other people who try to berate him/her. Well done Orignal Poster, you show class.

BloodWolfe

STOP SUPPORTING CROWN CRATES! These are the epitome of greed. That amount of money could have been spent in many better ways. I'm all for supporting this game which is why I'm an ESO+ subscriber and buy the odd additional crown packs but the crates are beyond ridiculous and people need to stop buying them.

I refuse to buy the overpriced crap too. Sorry but 5k+ for any motif is bs, 4k mundus stones is bs, anything about 2500 crowns for a mount is bs, the prices to buy houses is again bs. I can buy other full games for these prices, ZOS is far too greedy and focus on the few who buy blindly over pricing more reasonably and getting more sales which brings more money in the long run. Damn greed and short sightedness is what is wrong with this industry and the people who support it are just as bad.

Nobody to blame but yourself though.

ThePrinceOfBargains

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

A problem would be if I lost my house and job bc of this. A problem is when it effects ur life. This does not harm me in any way I don't see ur point. What might seem a lot for you is not a lot for another.

My issue and the point a lot of you are missing is for some there is no way to get these mounts. I'm disappointed that I can't get these I could throw thousands more and still never get it. Want I do with my money is none of ur business. How ZoS tricks me into thinking I can get a mount is an issue.

Well it sure sounds like you're on your way. Unless you're a millionaire (which you're not; millionaires don't do this kind of thing with their money), thousands of dollars is a lot to spend on microtransactions. Then again, I don't know what your spending timeline looks like, so maybe it isn't a lot. But that's still crazy. Nobody with sense spends thousands of dollars gambling. And they especially don't get upset when they logically don't win a grand prize. ZOS did not trick you into anything. You understood what this was when you bought the first 300 crates and decided to keep buying them regardless.

FloppyTouch

TheMaster wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

A problem would be if I lost my house and job bc of this. A problem is when it effects ur life. This does not harm me in any way I don't see ur point. What might seem a lot for you is not a lot for another.

My issue and the point a lot of you are missing is for some there is no way to get these mounts. I'm disappointed that I can't get these I could throw thousands more and still never get it. Want I do with my money is none of ur business. How ZoS tricks me into thinking I can get a mount is an issue.

Well it sure sounds like you're on your way. Unless you're a millionaire (which you're not; millionaires don't do this kind of thing with their money), thousands of dollars is a lot to spend on microtransactions. Then again, I don't know what your spending timeline looks like, so maybe it isn't a lot. But that's still crazy. Nobody with sense spends thousands of dollars gambling. And they especially don't get upset when they logically don't win a grand prize. ZOS did not trick you into anything. You understood what this was when you bought the first 300 crates and decided to keep buying them regardless.

I'm glad to meet someone on the forums that knows so much about me in rl and also knows many millionaires and how they spend there cash.

You seem to be missing the point of this post no point in saying the same thing over again. I'm sorry how I spend my money upsets you.

FloppyTouch

BloodWolfe wrote: »

STOP SUPPORTING CROWN CRATES! These are the epitome of greed. That amount of money could have been spent in many better ways. I'm all for supporting this game which is why I'm an ESO+ subscriber and buy the odd additional crown packs but the crates are beyond ridiculous and people need to stop buying them.

I refuse to buy the overpriced crap too. Sorry but 5k+ for any motif is bs, 4k mundus stones is bs, anything about 2500 crowns for a mount is bs, the prices to buy houses is again bs. I can buy other full games for these prices, ZOS is far too greedy and focus on the few who buy blindly over pricing more reasonably and getting more sales which brings more money in the long run. Damn greed and short sightedness is what is wrong with this industry and the people who support it are just as bad.

Nobody to blame but yourself though.

Another poster that misses the point.

I'm not blaming anyone, and I agree 100% it's why I stated next season if there is these super rare rng mount I will not be buying them. It's my choice in the end.

I tried bc it was new it did not play out well and I won't be doing it again. What this has cost ZoS is a huge supporter of this game. I hope you can try to understand where I am coming from instead of trying to shame me in any way. I know it's the popular view on these crates and makes you feel high and mighty but this is not where I'm coming from.

Kyoma

Excuse me but what does ZoS mean?

FloppyTouch

Kyoma wrote: »

Excuse me but what does ZoS mean?

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