I'm disappointed ZoS(rare mounts)

MakoFore

they should have allowed you to buy the gems- thats a lot of money you spent supporting this game, for essentially junk- not even real junk, virtual junk- is it your own fault? sure- but it its more the model thats not right. your a loyal and supportive customer- the game and company should reward that. if I'm a ZOS boss man i find a way to reward and look after my end game and high spend users- not exploit them. but thats where ZOS has been going the wrong way since crown crates-

Rouven

Whales don't whine. They throw more money after it.

Raeph

Like others, I have zero sympathy for your plight. You enable this kind of system. It's your money to spend, blah blah blah. But don't come here and complain about what you helped to create.

Loralai_907

While I get why the idea was thought up, it was still an extra bad decision to roll the crates out like they did this season. I feel bad for the folks that work there that are good people. Because the folks that insist upon rolling out decisions like this, they aren't good people in my book. They are the type of people that would be removed from my vicinity. Because I don't like people that feel slimy. I just can't imagine the people that ruled on this decision as a good idea as feeling any other way.

The crates were already a borderline issue for a lot of people, and that was with the ability to get anything with gems. Now, they blocked items from being able to be obtained with gems. On what planet was that going to make people happy? Who the frick thought hey, people will LOVE this idea? No. No one loves it. People just want to throat punch you now.

Morgul667

Yeah that s not nice but the full crown system is rigged anyway

FloppyTouch

@TheMaster I have not contradicted myself when I used the world trick it was meaning how they gave the rare mount to people that got the free crate and are riding around on them so I feel like the company did that to lure us in thinking it's possible. Whether or not that is true it's how I feel.

People feel sorry that I spent that much money? Why I dont. I have a set budget for my hobbies I hit my limit I willing to spend this month and won't go pass it. I failed to get want I wanted and does not seem worth any or to try again.

Making an item have this low of a drop chance does not seem right to me or not being able to get it with gems.

Yes I supported the crown crates but they always let you get everything you wanted but this is the first time they done this. Why would I not try and see the drop chance? Especially if it's a mount I really wanted. I tried seen the drop chance for myself and came to the conclusion it's not worth it.

The worst part of so many of ur replies is agree with you yet ur trying to shame me and how I spend my money and what I choose to support. After this round of rng hidden mounts I just won't participate. Yes they already have my money but next season they won't and as more people try and spend more money and fail they will stop too.

I'm stating how I'm disappointed in the company for having such a low drop chance and how I won't be doing it next seasons.

For me to be okay with super rare mounts there should be a limit like if you spend x amount you can pick or have them for a huge amount of gems. Maybe even after so many crates are open the mount has a 50% better chance to drop and as you buy more crates the chance goes up.

I fine with the way the rest of the crates work but these rare mounts need to be looked at and implemented better.

ParaNostram

Davor wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

You've spent... how much?

*deep breath and sigh*

Good lord... With so much money to burn have you considered giving some to the needy? I mean, I guarantee you'll feel better than you do after buying scam crates.

And the money you spend on internet and buying ESO you could have easily gave that to the needy as well. So why are you sighing. Same applies to you as well.

There's nothing wrong with having something you enjoy that costs money. There is a difference, however, between $16.04 a month (internet is a basic utility, high speed internet can be a little bougie but it's a thing) and a 1k in the hopes for a digital horse.

Cpt_Teemo

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its your fault for supporting this *** model.

IE: Cartel Market 2.0

Yamenstein

TheMaster wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

A problem would be if I lost my house and job bc of this. A problem is when it effects ur life. This does not harm me in any way I don't see ur point. What might seem a lot for you is not a lot for another.

My issue and the point a lot of you are missing is for some there is no way to get these mounts. I'm disappointed that I can't get these I could throw thousands more and still never get it. Want I do with my money is none of ur business. How ZoS tricks me into thinking I can get a mount is an issue.

Well it sure sounds like you're on your way. Unless you're a millionaire (which you're not; millionaires don't do this kind of thing with their money), thousands of dollars is a lot to spend on microtransactions. Then again, I don't know what your spending timeline looks like, so maybe it isn't a lot. But that's still crazy. Nobody with sense spends thousands of dollars gambling. And they especially don't get upset when they logically don't win a grand prize. ZOS did not trick you into anything. You understood what this was when you bought the first 300 crates and decided to keep buying them regardless.

I don't think you can really talk about how the OP spends money in real life just because of this. All you know is that he likes the items that are provided in the crown crates, at least enough of them to warrant a purchase. And that he has money to buy the crown crates as well. I don't know if he is poor or rich, has an addiction or not. Would I do it? No. Simply because I don't have that much money, and if I did then without a stable income I can't continuously purchase those crates.

I don't agree with OP entirely though. No matter how Zenimax says it the crown crates are stacked against you, and whether you have an addiction or not, the basic premise of the house always wins is still true in this case as well. If you didn't know how the odds were stacked then maybe you shouldn't have spent so much on the crown crates - I'm sure other people have done tests as well. If you did know the odds then Zenimax didn't really do anything wrong. Yeah the system sucks, I wish we could just buy cosmetics instead of chancing it with crown crates but at the end of the day it's a system in place for optional purchases. No one in this game needs to really spend any money for the majority of things in the crown store. And from what I can see there isn't anything that is pay to win. The worst thing about it is the motifs that you can only buy from the store, because if they look great and if they implement the transmog system then people will want to buy pieces that only those crafters bought the motif for. Sounds like they will be earning some money from that.

FloppyTouch

Yamenstein wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

TheMaster wrote: »

Thousands of dollars on this? Virtual MMO gambling? Come on, man, that's beyond supporting the game. That doesn't justify this. You have a serious problem, and I'm not just saying that to be rude. Gambling thousands of dollars away would be bad even at the casino. This is just insane.

Honestly though, I feel more sorry for you than anything because these MMO developers bleed people like you dry and you don't even realize you're being taken advantage of. This is clearly an addiction. Despite what you say, you will probably continue compulsively buying these crates in some hope of getting what you want.

A problem would be if I lost my house and job bc of this. A problem is when it effects ur life. This does not harm me in any way I don't see ur point. What might seem a lot for you is not a lot for another.

My issue and the point a lot of you are missing is for some there is no way to get these mounts. I'm disappointed that I can't get these I could throw thousands more and still never get it. Want I do with my money is none of ur business. How ZoS tricks me into thinking I can get a mount is an issue.

Well it sure sounds like you're on your way. Unless you're a millionaire (which you're not; millionaires don't do this kind of thing with their money), thousands of dollars is a lot to spend on microtransactions. Then again, I don't know what your spending timeline looks like, so maybe it isn't a lot. But that's still crazy. Nobody with sense spends thousands of dollars gambling. And they especially don't get upset when they logically don't win a grand prize. ZOS did not trick you into anything. You understood what this was when you bought the first 300 crates and decided to keep buying them regardless.

I don't think you can really talk about how the OP spends money in real life just because of this. All you know is that he likes the items that are provided in the crown crates, at least enough of them to warrant a purchase. And that he has money to buy the crown crates as well. I don't know if he is poor or rich, has an addiction or not. Would I do it? No. Simply because I don't have that much money, and if I did then without a stable income I can't continuously purchase those crates.

I don't agree with OP entirely though. No matter how Zenimax says it the crown crates are stacked against you, and whether you have an addiction or not, the basic premise of the house always wins is still true in this case as well. If you didn't know how the odds were stacked then maybe you shouldn't have spent so much on the crown crates - I'm sure other people have done tests as well. If you did know the odds then Zenimax didn't really do anything wrong. Yeah the system sucks, I wish we could just buy cosmetics instead of chancing it with crown crates but at the end of the day it's a system in place for optional purchases. No one in this game needs to really spend any money for the majority of things in the crown store. And from what I can see there isn't anything that is pay to win. The worst thing about it is the motifs that you can only buy from the store, because if they look great and if they implement the transmog system then people will want to buy pieces that only those crafters bought the motif for. Sounds like they will be earning some money from that.

I want to point out with gems you can buy everything in the crown crates I like that. Adding these rare mounts that you can't buy with gems is the issue. Rare items should be able to be attainable in some way. It other mmos you can buy the mounts with in game gold from players that where lucky, you can't buy mounts from other players in this game.

It's why a few post I suggested that an increase to drop % of these rare mounts you can't buy with gems would be better. This way I know for a fact the more I buy the better my chances are for this kind of prize to drop. As of now you have no way, you could spend 1 million dollars and not get it. The chance is really small if you spent that much but it's still possible. You could buy one and get it.

My point is they need to add ssomething to make is possible at some point for people to be able to attain it. This is why I'm disappointed bc I potentially have no way to get the prize I want and it's never been like that before.

MornaBaine

All I can say is... I'm really glad I'm NOT a completionist. I buy what I like and ONLY what I like. Gaming is my primary entertainment expenditure. As such I justify my ongoing sub since launch, buying some crown packs ONLY WHEN THEY GO ON SALE, and an alt account that I sometimes sub on for awhile as well. But I draw the line at the gamble boxes (yeah, I HAVE bought like... 1500 crowns worth twice and that was enough to convince me they are ridiculous and I wish I could trade in my unwanted Apex mounts for gems or just outright GIVE them to someone who might actually WANT them!) and pretty much any item they want more than the original cost of the game for. I love my pixel dollies and I love buying them houses... but I am not spending in excess of 50 bucks for pixels. Not because I don't have it... but because I refuse to reward such blatant greed and customer abuse.

Swifigames

Dude...1K on Crown Crates is a lot....like a lot, a lot.
You should at least get an achievement for such dedication

Keep your head up though man, there are many other things in the world that are much, much worse than not getting a sought after in-game mount. Stay above the discontent.

SydneyGrey

I agree that the unobtainable "ultra-rares" that can't be bought with gems are crossing a line. When it's making their biggest-spending customers mad, then they've made a bad, bad mistake. They need to seriously re-think this.

FloppyTouch

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I agree that the unobtainable "ultra-rares" that can't be bought with gems are crossing a line. When it's making their biggest-spending customers mad, then they've made a bad, bad mistake. They need to seriously re-think this.

Thank for for understanding the point of this thread

Minyassa

To the OP:

Thank you. Thank you for posting this. Let me explain why I'm happy about it.

I do NOT have plenty of extra income to spend on video games. I have a pretty strict limit on what I spend on recreation, and I am used to spreading it out over a variety of activities. Movies, eating at restaurants, buying toys, etc. has to be budgeted and prioritized.

This month I decided to blow my ENTIRE recreation budget on crown crates...and got no mounts and no good pets (yes I got that BLEEEPING nix hound 8 million times). The RNG hates me with a keen and unforgiving passion. Pacrooti stood by and mocked me mercilessly while I begged, prayed and then swore. My money to spend on play is all gone and I am in no measure improved for it.

So to hear that someone spent a lot more than I did and still got no joy? I'm not happy for your lack of luck, but I feel VERY VINDICATED by it!! Seriously, you have no idea. I won't feel the least bit bad about giving up forever on this BS because clearly luck is not my friend, but knowing that fact is invaluable. Again...thank you.

zyk

ZOS: Solve PVP, dungeon and vMA itemization issues before making life easier for guys like this.

FloppyTouch

Minyassa wrote: »

To the OP:

Thank you. Thank you for posting this. Let me explain why I'm happy about it.

I do NOT have plenty of extra income to spend on video games. I have a pretty strict limit on what I spend on recreation, and I am used to spreading it out over a variety of activities. Movies, eating at restaurants, buying toys, etc. has to be budgeted and prioritized.

This month I decided to blow my ENTIRE recreation budget on crown crates...and got no mounts and no good pets (yes I got that BLEEEPING nix hound 8 million times). The RNG hates me with a keen and unforgiving passion. Pacrooti stood by and mocked me mercilessly while I begged, prayed and then swore. My money to spend on play is all gone and I am in no measure improved for it.

So to hear that someone spent a lot more than I did and still got no joy? I'm not happy for your lack of luck, but I feel VERY VINDICATED by it!! Seriously, you have no idea. I won't feel the least bit bad about giving up forever on this BS because clearly luck is not my friend, but knowing that fact is invaluable. Again...thank you.

I laughed reading this I'm glad my bad luck mad ur day. But to say I got no enjoyment out of it is false. I did get every dwemer mount and all the items and craft books that helped a lot. I also was able to lvl my low lvl pvp character to 50 mount speed 25 stamina this helps a ton and almost p2w(I can catch or run away from almost anyone)

I also got plenty of gems left over so next season I don't need to spend money and will be able to buy the mounts or costumes or crafting books of my choice first day of release.

In the end I feel as if I got my money's worth if I added up everything I got(ton of housing stuff too)
My only issue is that I wanted the very rare mounts and the fact that there is no way to get it and I'll miss the opportunity to have a rare item disappointed me.

lakaisl

Not nothing more to say then good marketing I suppose.

Minyassa

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

To the OP:

Thank you. Thank you for posting this. Let me explain why I'm happy about it.

I do NOT have plenty of extra income to spend on video games. I have a pretty strict limit on what I spend on recreation, and I am used to spreading it out over a variety of activities. Movies, eating at restaurants, buying toys, etc. has to be budgeted and prioritized.

This month I decided to blow my ENTIRE recreation budget on crown crates...and got no mounts and no good pets (yes I got that BLEEEPING nix hound 8 million times). The RNG hates me with a keen and unforgiving passion. Pacrooti stood by and mocked me mercilessly while I begged, prayed and then swore. My money to spend on play is all gone and I am in no measure improved for it.

So to hear that someone spent a lot more than I did and still got no joy? I'm not happy for your lack of luck, but I feel VERY VINDICATED by it!! Seriously, you have no idea. I won't feel the least bit bad about giving up forever on this BS because clearly luck is not my friend, but knowing that fact is invaluable. Again...thank you.

I laughed reading this I'm glad my bad luck mad ur day. But to say I got no enjoyment out of it is false. I did get every dwemer mount and all the items and craft books that helped a lot. I also was able to lvl my low lvl pvp character to 50 mount speed 25 stamina this helps a ton and almost p2w(I can catch or run away from almost anyone)

I also got plenty of gems left over so next season I don't need to spend money and will be able to buy the mounts or costumes or crafting books of my choice first day of release.

In the end I feel as if I got my money's worth if I added up everything I got(ton of housing stuff too)
My only issue is that I wanted the very rare mounts and the fact that there is no way to get it and I'll miss the opportunity to have a rare item disappointed me.

Oh well then, screw you. xD J/k but seriously damn. Pacrooti is such a jerk sitting there talking about my aura of good luck while I get nothing but nix hounds and poisons. I kind of hope there will eventually be an in-game quest that involves sacrificing him for some greater good, he'd be gone SO FAST.

method__01

i stopped after 50 crates (got the wolf,was going for senche) and after i realize drop rate was low
best is to buy at once the crates you want (10-20-30 etc) open them and buy no more
keep buying does not increase your changes cause there isnt a system that guarantee drop after a number of boxes opened

Saturnana

So even with possibly (near) infinite resources, it is still practically impossible to get the rare drop we want from these.. *kicks crate* Those drop chances remind me of some of those Ambrosia ingredients everyone is on the hunt for. A.K.A. chances of getting the mounts are waaay too little to justify even mentioning them in the drop table.

Illurian

Lol @ everyone telling OP how to spend his money. He can spend it as he wants. I know some people who spend thousands of dollars on a night out. At least a thousand bucks on crown crates will be remembered.

OP, sorry about your sucky rng. I actually got the Adamant horse that you are looking for and the Apex bear in one bundle (15) of crown crates when I wanted the Dromathra senche or striped wolf mounts. Still don't have the ones I was aiming for, but I'm definitely not complaining.

It's almost as if the game KNOWS what you want and purposely doesn't give you that specific item. Confirmation bias, I know, but still.

Waseem

well if you have thousands to spend on crown crates, you have even more thousands to spend so why complain?
crown crates are successful marketing strategy, you are proving that they do work by paying thousands, why contradict what YOU proof by asking to buy them for flat money?

Minyassa

Illurian wrote: »

Lol @ everyone telling OP how to spend his money. He can spend it as he wants. I know some people who spend thousands of dollars on a night out. At least a thousand bucks on crown crates will be remembered.

OP, sorry about your sucky rng. I actually got the Adamant horse that you are looking for and the Apex bear in one bundle (15) of crown crates when I wanted the Dromathra senche or striped wolf mounts. Still don't have the ones I was aiming for, but I'm definitely not complaining.

It's almost as if the game KNOWS what you want and purposely doesn't give you that specific item. Confirmation bias, I know, but still.

I think you are right about the game knowing. I see so many posts in the forum about people getting mounts that weren't the ones they wanted. I told Pacrooti I would be happy with ANY mount, so. Y'know. Poisons. -__-

FloppyTouch

Waseem wrote: »

well if you have thousands to spend on crown crates, you have even more thousands to spend so why complain?
crown crates are successful marketing strategy, you are proving that they do work by paying thousands, why contradict what YOU proof by asking to buy them for flat money?

Again this is getting annoying so I'm going to stop responding to these kind of people ugh but anyways it's not about the money it's the fact that I could keep spending and never get this when I already have everything from the crates plus extra gems for next season why should I keep trying for something I will not get? There needs to be some way to get this mount like increase the odds as you buy more.

Drazkyth

Demycilian wrote: »

A fool and their money are soon parted.

This.

PrayingSeraph

I cringe at the comments of people telling the OP how to spend their money. Yes, a thousand bucks for this crate season may be something most of us wouldn't do, yet I'm sure if most of us calcuate how much we spend on other unnecessary things, our attitudes would change. We have to remember, there are people in society who think us spending $300-500 on a console(more if gaming PC) plus all the games are a waste of money. Pretty much everyone in the west spends a lot of money on "unnecessary" things. It could be thousands every year for a gym membership, or thousands on guns, or clothes, or anime\movies\tv shows or whatever hobby or entertainment you enjoy. It could even be thousands on smoking or such. It's not our place to critique the OP or his spending, or we WILL become hypocrites.

wesly.backersb16_ESO

1k USD to crown crates just for a mount? Oh man, ...

In really extreme conditions (let's pretend someone can be that desperate ) If I want to have something cool (in a game?) I just would wait until it's been offered through the shop...

I bought 6 ESO coffeecups irl for only €36. This gives my family more pleasure than a mount.

FloppyTouch

Illurian wrote: »

Lol @ everyone telling OP how to spend his money. He can spend it as he wants. I know some people who spend thousands of dollars on a night out. At least a thousand bucks on crown crates will be remembered.

OP, sorry about your sucky rng. I actually got the Adamant horse that you are looking for and the Apex bear in one bundle (15) of crown crates when I wanted the Dromathra senche or striped wolf mounts. Still don't have the ones I was aiming for, but I'm definitely not complaining.

It's almost as if the game KNOWS what you want and purposely doesn't give you that specific item. Confirmation bias, I know, but still.

I'm jealous you got the mount but gratz none the less! Wish I could buy it off you but this game is not like that

ChildOfLight

Honestly, I am struggling on how to RP justify the tiny guar mount I got from the free crate...

And there are people that spend 1 mount salary on them.

Don't you feel dirty? I mean, there is nothing right here. Both on the IRL and RP sides.

You can tell me that everyone does what he wants with his money. True. But neglecting something is wrong, is just not right either.

"I spent one thousand dollars on this videogame in order to let a glittering mount to fall on the head of my character out of nowhere"