Lying about your target skeleton dps test.

Bowser · August 2017

max_only wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I don't trust the skeleton parses.

"I hit 42k self buffed on a target dummy with my stam dk!"

Dummy Parse:

Actual Parse:

The second parse looks like a tank parse

The Inner Rage icon.... it's got to be from a tank right? No way that a dps is using that taunt.... right??

Anybody else find it funny that Igneous Shield did more DPS than the 2h execute?

zaria · August 2017

Buy multiple skeletons, say one 6 M hp and 7 3M ones, looks how much your combat metric score increase

theamazingx · August 2017

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

One simply cannot know if they are lying to him or we are really that bad.

I pull 30-32k on a 3M target skeleton (100% to 0%) with my magDK solo, without any external help (no worm, no orbs, no lightning blockade), only using elemental drain myself (slotted instead of harness magicka). But most magDKs are claiming that they can easily pull 40k. I have nirnhoned VMA fire staff, 3 gold infallible jewelry and Grothdarr+Sun in full divines. I really don't know if I am that bad or these 40k claimers have someone to keep lightning blockade up for them to ensure perma Power Lashes.

From personal experience, 38k without any support whatsoever, not even using your own lightning wall or even a shock enchant, peaking at 41k when using them both yourself. Someone receiving that support from someone else should be hitting even higher.

mb10 · August 2017

I'll go to a job interview, or a trial for a sports team but there is no way on Earth I'm doing a dps test for some loser on ESO that I'm most probably better than anyway

SquareSausage · August 2017

mb10 wrote: »

I'll go to a job interview, or a trial for a sports team but there is no way on Earth I'm doing a dps test for some loser on ESO that I'm most probably better than anyway

....I make 11 million £ per hour, honest, dont believe me? well tough....cos I do

theamazingx · August 2017

mb10 wrote: »

I'll go to a job interview, or a trial for a sports team but there is no way on Earth I'm going to demonstrate that I'm better than the vast majority of dps in the game, which is necessary to complete progressionary content. They just have to believe me, or divine my parse via communion with the Eight

Okay

DeHei · August 2017

something arround 40k is maximum you can do selfbuffed actually.

50k DPS is more 5k DPS i guess

LadyNalcarya · August 2017

mb10 wrote: »

I'll go to a job interview, or a trial for a sports team but there is no way on Earth I'm doing a dps test for some loser on ESO that I'm most probably better than anyway

You most likely arent, if you're trying to belittle other people in an attempt to bolster your self-esteem.

Its really ridiculous how people are bringing "but but theyre nolifers" in these discussions, because the majority of mmo players arent actually "nolifers" or whatever.

Mureel · August 2017

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i saw someone saying he deals 25k dps unbuffed on a skeleton but he only attack the target for 3 sec and didnt even bother to finish it. i was afraid to say he needs more than 3 sec to know his actual dps.

Yeah who cares. Really. If he's in a top tier raid group, it'll be obvious soon enough and if not? Who cares if he says he's rollin' 12 inch deep. Doesn't matter other than to whom it matters.

theamazingx · August 2017

Mureel wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i saw someone saying he deals 25k dps unbuffed on a skeleton but he only attack the target for 3 sec and didnt even bother to finish it. i was afraid to say he needs more than 3 sec to know his actual dps.

Yeah who cares. Really. If he's in a top tier raid group, it'll be obvious soon enough and if not? Who cares if he says he's rollin' 12 inch deep. Doesn't matter other than to whom it matters.

Aye, obvious, when a raid goes nowhere several times a row because a couple people weren't vetted properly. That's not really best case scenario for the people that came to do well and have fun, is it? And a nightmare for the people organizing it. No one cares about their epeen over a parse, sure, but this isn't just epeen stroking, it's a practical measurement.

Mureel · August 2017

Triple post wth

theamazingx · August 2017

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i saw someone saying he deals 25k dps unbuffed on a skeleton but he only attack the target for 3 sec and didnt even bother to finish it. i was afraid to say he needs more than 3 sec to know his actual dps.

Yeah who cares. Really. If he's in a top tier raid group, it'll be obvious soon enough and if not? Who cares if he says he's rollin' 12 inch deep. Doesn't matter other than to whom it matters.

Aye, obvious, when a raid goes nowhere several times a row because a couple people weren't vetted properly. That's not really best case scenario for the people that came to do well and have fun, is it? And a nightmare for the people organizing it. No one cares about their epeen over a parse, sure, but this isn't just epeen stroking, it's a practical measurement.

Nope but in a top tier guild, at least those I'm familiar with, would be dps checked and expect parses to be pasted to chat or screenshot immediately, with no derping around. Shoot the ones I know, most require a screen of parse before they even get in the guild great performance before they ever hit core raid group

Also. If the raid goes nowhere over one poor dps, then there are bigger problems. Seriously.

Speaking from literal experience as healer and DD.

"High tier" isn't a fixed interval. A couple dps severely underperforming can break a group's progression into harder content. There's a big gap between being able to clear content and being able to carry bad players through content.

Mureel · August 2017

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i saw someone saying he deals 25k dps unbuffed on a skeleton but he only attack the target for 3 sec and didnt even bother to finish it. i was afraid to say he needs more than 3 sec to know his actual dps.

Yeah who cares. Really. If he's in a top tier raid group, it'll be obvious soon enough and if not? Who cares if he says he's rollin' 12 inch deep. Doesn't matter other than to whom it matters.

Aye, obvious, when a raid goes nowhere several times a row because a couple people weren't vetted properly. That's not really best case scenario for the people that came to do well and have fun, is it? And a nightmare for the people organizing it. No one cares about their epeen over a parse, sure, but this isn't just epeen stroking, it's a practical measurement.

Nope but in a top tier guild, at least those I'm familiar with, would be dps checked and expect parses to be pasted to chat or screenshot immediately, with no derping around. Shoot the ones I know, most require a screen of parse before they even get in the guild great performance before they ever hit core raid group

Also. If the raid goes nowhere over one poor dps, then there are bigger problems. Seriously.

Speaking from literal experience as healer and DD.

"High tier" isn't a fixed interval. A couple dps severely underperforming can break a group's progression into harder content. There's a big gap between being able to clear content and being able to carry bad players through content.

Sorry about the weird multi posts....

Anyway, that's down to raid/guild leadership too, should be checking these things before going in...

theamazingx · August 2017

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i saw someone saying he deals 25k dps unbuffed on a skeleton but he only attack the target for 3 sec and didnt even bother to finish it. i was afraid to say he needs more than 3 sec to know his actual dps.

Yeah who cares. Really. If he's in a top tier raid group, it'll be obvious soon enough and if not? Who cares if he says he's rollin' 12 inch deep. Doesn't matter other than to whom it matters.

Aye, obvious, when a raid goes nowhere several times a row because a couple people weren't vetted properly. That's not really best case scenario for the people that came to do well and have fun, is it? And a nightmare for the people organizing it. No one cares about their epeen over a parse, sure, but this isn't just epeen stroking, it's a practical measurement.

Nope but in a top tier guild, at least those I'm familiar with, would be dps checked and expect parses to be pasted to chat or screenshot immediately, with no derping around. Shoot the ones I know, most require a screen of parse before they even get in the guild great performance before they ever hit core raid group

Also. If the raid goes nowhere over one poor dps, then there are bigger problems. Seriously.

Speaking from literal experience as healer and DD.

"High tier" isn't a fixed interval. A couple dps severely underperforming can break a group's progression into harder content. There's a big gap between being able to clear content and being able to carry bad players through content.

Sorry about the weird multi posts....

Anyway, that's down to raid/guild leadership too, should be checking these things before going in...

Well yeah, that's what I mean. You were saying that the skeleton parse doesn't matter because if they're bad you'll find out in a raid, and I'm telling you why guild leadership can't work with that mindset. So which is it, "check before going in" or wait until it's "obvious"?

Insandros · August 2017

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i saw someone saying he deals 25k dps unbuffed on a skeleton but he only attack the target for 3 sec and didnt even bother to finish it. i was afraid to say he needs more than 3 sec to know his actual dps.

yep most of us can deal 40-50k in 3 seconds on initial attack if monster sets procs and initials attack crits...

Horowonnoe · August 2017

Wolfshead wrote: »

What I like most about those who say they do so much DPS is that fact they don't understand the killing boss is group effort and not a single effort and also 40K+ dps the would mean that our char would have the same level as WoW Cata char would be and same item level as them have back in WoW Cata expansion and last time I check gear in ESO have got any high lvl on so how can that be???

Also OP you do know that even picture proof can be manipulated as well

wut?

exeeter702 · August 2017

Wolfshead wrote: »

What I like most about those who say they do so much DPS is that fact they don't understand the killing boss is group effort and not a single effort and also 40K+ dps the would mean that our char would have the same level as WoW Cata char would be and same item level as them have back in WoW Cata expansion and last time I check gear in ESO have got any high lvl on so how can that be???

Also OP you do know that even picture proof can be manipulated as well

For the love of god this has to be a troll.

exeeter702 · August 2017

Wolfshead wrote: »

What I like most about those who say they do so much DPS is that fact they don't understand the killing boss is group effort and not a single effort and also 40K+ dps the would mean that our char would have the same level as WoW Cata char would be and same item level as them have back in WoW Cata expansion and last time I check gear in ESO have got any high lvl on so how can that be???

Also OP you do know that even picture proof can be manipulated as well

For the love of god this has to be a troll.

Bowser · August 2017

mb10 wrote: »

I'll go to a job interview, or a trial for a sports team but there is no way on Earth I'm doing a dps test because it would severely damage my ego if an objective measurement revealed that I am performing at a level significantly lower than those I claim to be better than.

Sounds about right.

Mureel · August 2017

SASQUATCH0 wrote: »

Yeah I can hit like 45k on the skelly NP

*kills teammate with core on Rahkaat*

Thiissssss!

Mureel · August 2017

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i saw someone saying he deals 25k dps unbuffed on a skeleton but he only attack the target for 3 sec and didnt even bother to finish it. i was afraid to say he needs more than 3 sec to know his actual dps.

Yeah who cares. Really. If he's in a top tier raid group, it'll be obvious soon enough and if not? Who cares if he says he's rollin' 12 inch deep. Doesn't matter other than to whom it matters.

Aye, obvious, when a raid goes nowhere several times a row because a couple people weren't vetted properly. That's not really best case scenario for the people that came to do well and have fun, is it? And a nightmare for the people organizing it. No one cares about their epeen over a parse, sure, but this isn't just epeen stroking, it's a practical measurement.

Nope but in a top tier guild, at least those I'm familiar with, would be dps checked and expect parses to be pasted to chat or screenshot immediately, with no derping around. Shoot the ones I know, most require a screen of parse before they even get in the guild great performance before they ever hit core raid group

Also. If the raid goes nowhere over one poor dps, then there are bigger problems. Seriously.

Speaking from literal experience as healer and DD.

"High tier" isn't a fixed interval. A couple dps severely underperforming can break a group's progression into harder content. There's a big gap between being able to clear content and being able to carry bad players through content.

Sorry about the weird multi posts....

Anyway, that's down to raid/guild leadership too, should be checking these things before going in...

Well yeah, that's what I mean. You were saying that the skeleton parse doesn't matter because if they're bad you'll find out in a raid, and I'm telling you why guild leadership can't work with that mindset. So which is it, "check before going in" or wait until it's "obvious"?

What I said in summary was: It only matters to whom it matters.

Therefore, as a raid lead, if you want progression, as Nifty said, you get a video.

There are guilds I was in where you needed a parse before you ever got invited to a raid.

The fact that you're having this many issues (unless I am misunderstanding, which is possible) is already for me a sign, that the raid you're in is simply not prepared for serious progression.

The people in the raid are not prepared. Who added them to the raid?

There is where the issue starts.

Furthermore, placement and being spatially aware and knowing the mechanics is even more important. If you have people dying to stuff etc., that will fail your raid faster than any slow dps.

Now, I'm not trying to say never try. I take groups in alll the time when I'm more sure we'll fail than succeed, but I'm willing to run training groups and not be mad. If even one new one from the bunch does awesome, a new raider is born.

However, for leaderboard runs, we bring the tried and true.

Finally, as I said in my original reply: It doesn't matter what people say because the truth will put. It only matters when it matters and that is not in guild or zone chat. So who ruddy cares what dps people say they can do?

No one does except those who need to care and who are gonna know anyway.

When in doubt, make a rule for the next few runs to post parses in the chat, even whisper to lead, if not in group.

You can set up a hotkey for this in ftc/combat metrics.

angelncelestine · August 2017

The best DPS are well balanced players. People that have situational awareness and decent dps where things die in a reasonable time. If you claim you can pull 50k dps and you are dead all the time or wearing out your healer you are no good to a group. It can also be tough when you're with someone that has great situational awareness but they are only pulling 5k dps. Fights that have many adds or enrage timers can get brutal.

Sunah · August 2017

People are going to lie so they can get in the groups... We had this one guy swear to every god in the world that he was trial ready and his dps was amazing. We invite him to the leaders home to slap the target dummy. A average dps will burn the 3m dummy in less than 2 mins (on xbox) but he literally slapped that thing for over 10.. yes TEN minutes. You just can't trust what people say since it is human nature to just lie about stuff sadly.

theamazingx · August 2017

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i saw someone saying he deals 25k dps unbuffed on a skeleton but he only attack the target for 3 sec and didnt even bother to finish it. i was afraid to say he needs more than 3 sec to know his actual dps.

Yeah who cares. Really. If he's in a top tier raid group, it'll be obvious soon enough and if not? Who cares if he says he's rollin' 12 inch deep. Doesn't matter other than to whom it matters.

Aye, obvious, when a raid goes nowhere several times a row because a couple people weren't vetted properly. That's not really best case scenario for the people that came to do well and have fun, is it? And a nightmare for the people organizing it. No one cares about their epeen over a parse, sure, but this isn't just epeen stroking, it's a practical measurement.

Nope but in a top tier guild, at least those I'm familiar with, would be dps checked and expect parses to be pasted to chat or screenshot immediately, with no derping around. Shoot the ones I know, most require a screen of parse before they even get in the guild great performance before they ever hit core raid group

Also. If the raid goes nowhere over one poor dps, then there are bigger problems. Seriously.

Speaking from literal experience as healer and DD.

"High tier" isn't a fixed interval. A couple dps severely underperforming can break a group's progression into harder content. There's a big gap between being able to clear content and being able to carry bad players through content.

Sorry about the weird multi posts....

Anyway, that's down to raid/guild leadership too, should be checking these things before going in...

Well yeah, that's what I mean. You were saying that the skeleton parse doesn't matter because if they're bad you'll find out in a raid, and I'm telling you why guild leadership can't work with that mindset. So which is it, "check before going in" or wait until it's "obvious"?

What I said in summary was: It only matters to whom it matters.

Therefore, as a raid lead, if you want progression, as Nifty said, you get a video.

There are guilds I was in where you needed a parse before you ever got invited to a raid.

The fact that you're having this many issues (unless I am misunderstanding, which is possible) is already for me a sign, that the raid you're in is simply not prepared for serious progression.

The people in the raid are not prepared. Who added them to the raid?

There is where the issue starts.

Furthermore, placement and being spatially aware and knowing the mechanics is even more important. If you have people dying to stuff etc., that will fail your raid faster than any slow dps.

Now, I'm not trying to say never try. I take groups in alll the time when I'm more sure we'll fail than succeed, but I'm willing to run training groups and not be mad. If even one new one from the bunch does awesome, a new raider is born.

However, for leaderboard runs, we bring the tried and true.

Finally, as I said in my original reply: It doesn't matter what people say because the truth will put. It only matters when it matters and that is not in guild or zone chat. So who ruddy cares what dps people say they can do?

No one does except those who need to care and who are gonna know anyway.

When in doubt, make a rule for the next few runs to post parses in the chat, even whisper to lead, if not in group.

You can set up a hotkey for this in ftc/combat metrics.

First off, you are misunderstanding, this is theoretical. And it seems like your jumping sides here. One guy says 'hey this guy posted this mini-parse that didn't mean anything, you reply 'hey it doesn't matter you'll find out how he performs soon enough', and I say 'it does matter because finding out later makes it terrible for everyone'. Now you are lecturing me about the need to vet incoming players properly. Wtf?

Sunah · August 2017

nimander99 wrote: »

I average like 8k DPS... Then again I'm a hybrid Templar, sword and board and Resto Staff for them spot heals and the ability to regen both resource pools quickly.

I know, I know, Hybrids aren't meta... Well, I play my own way. I'm practically un-killable in PVE situations... Always the last to drop in group and even then everyone is waiting a couple minutes.

Butt )(

It takes forever for me to kill World Boss's. I'm hacking away for like, 15 minutes at any given boss.

Tradeoffs

No one would die if you were spotting them heals better haha. Nothing wrong with hybrid builds unless you are doing end game content like veteran speed runs or trials. So its good to see some people still rocking it.

Mureel · August 2017

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

theamazingx wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

i saw someone saying he deals 25k dps unbuffed on a skeleton but he only attack the target for 3 sec and didnt even bother to finish it. i was afraid to say he needs more than 3 sec to know his actual dps.

Yeah who cares. Really. If he's in a top tier raid group, it'll be obvious soon enough and if not? Who cares if he says he's rollin' 12 inch deep. Doesn't matter other than to whom it matters.

Aye, obvious, when a raid goes nowhere several times a row because a couple people weren't vetted properly. That's not really best case scenario for the people that came to do well and have fun, is it? And a nightmare for the people organizing it. No one cares about their epeen over a parse, sure, but this isn't just epeen stroking, it's a practical measurement.

Nope but in a top tier guild, at least those I'm familiar with, would be dps checked and expect parses to be pasted to chat or screenshot immediately, with no derping around. Shoot the ones I know, most require a screen of parse before they even get in the guild great performance before they ever hit core raid group

Also. If the raid goes nowhere over one poor dps, then there are bigger problems. Seriously.

Speaking from literal experience as healer and DD.

"High tier" isn't a fixed interval. A couple dps severely underperforming can break a group's progression into harder content. There's a big gap between being able to clear content and being able to carry bad players through content.

Sorry about the weird multi posts....

Anyway, that's down to raid/guild leadership too, should be checking these things before going in...

Well yeah, that's what I mean. You were saying that the skeleton parse doesn't matter because if they're bad you'll find out in a raid, and I'm telling you why guild leadership can't work with that mindset. So which is it, "check before going in" or wait until it's "obvious"?

What I said in summary was: It only matters to whom it matters.

Therefore, as a raid lead, if you want progression, as Nifty said, you get a video.

There are guilds I was in where you needed a parse before you ever got invited to a raid.

The fact that you're having this many issues (unless I am misunderstanding, which is possible) is already for me a sign, that the raid you're in is simply not prepared for serious progression.

The people in the raid are not prepared. Who added them to the raid?

There is where the issue starts.

Furthermore, placement and being spatially aware and knowing the mechanics is even more important. If you have people dying to stuff etc., that will fail your raid faster than any slow dps.

Now, I'm not trying to say never try. I take groups in alll the time when I'm more sure we'll fail than succeed, but I'm willing to run training groups and not be mad. If even one new one from the bunch does awesome, a new raider is born.

However, for leaderboard runs, we bring the tried and true.

Finally, as I said in my original reply: It doesn't matter what people say because the truth will put. It only matters when it matters and that is not in guild or zone chat. So who ruddy cares what dps people say they can do?

No one does except those who need to care and who are gonna know anyway.

When in doubt, make a rule for the next few runs to post parses in the chat, even whisper to lead, if not in group.

You can set up a hotkey for this in ftc/combat metrics.

First off, you are misunderstanding, this is theoretical. And it seems like your jumping sides here. One guy says 'hey this guy posted this mini-parse that didn't mean anything, you reply 'hey it doesn't matter you'll find out how he performs soon enough', and I say 'it does matter because finding out later makes it terrible for everyone'. Now you are lecturing me about the need to vet incoming players properly. Wtf?

You're taking one sentence of my original reply out of context. My comment was a reply to the op about someone lying about the dps they hit. In chat. To that, as originally, my answer remains: who cares. Those who need to know will, to those who don't, it's irrelevant.

Don't take one sentence well out of context to where it no longer fits and then argue with me like it was my whole point.

I don't give one rip what some tosser says in chat, if I see in my metrics I am doing 75% of the damage.

What you and I have here, is a failure to communicate. No more, no less.

AlMcFly · August 2017

SquareSausage wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

I'll go to a job interview, or a trial for a sports team but there is no way on Earth I'm doing a dps test for some loser on ESO that I'm most probably better than anyway

....I make 11 million £ per hour, honest, dont believe me? well tough....cos I do

The funny thing about people who refuse to show screenshots of their DPS parses, is that they're usually the same people who cannot stop giving unwarranted advice. Almost nobody asks a random teammate to show their numbers. It's usually asked of the person who won't shut up about advice for earning money or playing a class. When asked for them to show screenshots, they refuse.

Moral of the story: Don't give advice unless someone asks you for it. It's annoying.

Tan9oSuccka · August 2017

I have to ask, how are some of these scores possible? Do people run 100% magica/stamina with like 15k health?

I prefer my Stam DPS to have some resistance and health (21k). I hit about 17-18K on a full test.

Do tell your secrets for a 40k test.

Mureel · August 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I have to ask, how are some of these scores possible? Do people run 100% magica/stamina with like 15k health?

I prefer my Stam DPS to have some resistance and health (21k). I hit about 17-18K on a full test.

Do tell your secrets for a 40k test.

Yes. Many of us run all attributes into our damage pool.

There are so many ways to hit 16-18k health that there's no reason to put attributes into health.

I'm speaking PVE. I was away a time, and I just can't remember if my old PVP 'person who says look beech, you need x health!' ever told me to spec any into health. Seems like I needed as healer min 20k, but it was a whole other meta last I seriously PVP at all.

Edited to add: my dps is max 32ish k (magblade) depending on group buffs etc. Higher if I can stay still, less if I have to move a lot or Rez a lot. Unbuffed Skelly dps 25ish k depending on if I hose my rotation, which I sometimes do because I'm a spaz.

This is using Alcast magblade latest build.

I don't know who/what builds are pulling a skelly 40k - so if you do, hopefully they can tell you.

IronCrystal · August 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I have to ask, how are some of these scores possible? Do people run 100% magica/stamina with like 15k health?

I prefer my Stam DPS to have some resistance and health (21k). I hit about 17-18K on a full test.

Do tell your secrets for a 40k test.

If you run 5-1-1 you get extra stats from the Undaunted Mettle buff as well as the passive from the 1 piece of heavy armor (if you are wearing monster helm of course). Of course, it gives more stamina as well. You don't really need to put your points into resistance due to the CP bonuses.