Lying about your target skeleton dps test.

Zardayne · August 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

I honestly never ask what DPS a person can pull. If the boss dies, it's high enough.

Yep that's how I feel. Of course I'm an old school MMO player who mainly plays to have fun and not number crunch. I did some testing for the first time after 3+ years of the game and what I saw depressed me and I wondered why in the hell I even did it..

Zach2322 · August 2017

Kind of fun to read these comments. I am in no way a top player because I haven't even done most vet trials as I don't actually have the time to run them. On my argonian stamblade I have reached 34k on all 3 of the 4 dummies. (Not going to beat on the 56 mil health one for an hour) sustain on it is perfect and I've gotten it's rotation down well enough to occasionally get 35k. I even have a dead slot on my back bar that I can use to slot vigor/leaching or mirage for survivability. I changed to a redgaurd once to see what the dps difference was and I was getting 35k consistently with one test on the 3 mil skeleton at 39k. I just prefer my nightblade as an argonian for an astectic reason and it having better survivability.

I think the skeleton is a great tool to help improve your character's effectiveness just like vet maelstrom is. In my opinion, if you need to lie about killing a stationary vegetable, you in need of more help than what you can get in-game.

SASQUATCH0 · August 2017

Yeah I can hit like 45k on the skelly NP

*kills teammate with core on Rahkaat*

Bowser · August 2017

I don't trust the skeleton parses.

"I hit 42k self buffed on a target dummy with my stam dk!"

Dummy Parse:

Actual Parse:

AlMcFly · August 2017

I can understand OP's concern in a Trial setting. Spend 30 minutes to an hour putting together a PUG for Vet Trials, forming the group purely based on teammate's professed ability. Get to the first boss, wipe, check your parser, and realize three DPS are only putting out 5k-15k each. Kick them. Stall the entire run for God knows how long trying to find replacements. It's even worse when guild members are the ones lying (or simply don't know their DPS parse or know how to obtain it).

People will lie in this game hoping to be carried through content. Some will lie simply to impress strangers.

NordSwordnBoard · August 2017

Pro athletes take part in competitive combines to gauge their raw ability. It doesn't mean an NFL Running Back who has freakish speed and strength knows how to find a seam in the line, have the up-field vision to outsmart defenders, or know when to pass-block instead of going for a check down pass. It's just a portion of the larger "ability" picture.

Sorry, Fantasy Drafts are coming up soon...

Asardes · August 2017

High recovery is not really needed. Pots, orbs/shards, heavy attacks, magicka steal, staff kills and melee range kills that let off that blue puff from CP passive are a much better and controllable ways of recovering magicka, and the DPS is way higher compared to a recovery set or recovery glyphs on jewels. If you weave 2-3 heavies in your rotation you can do decent DPS and manage your resources just fine with just 7-800 recovery.

IronCrystal · August 2017

Bowser wrote: »

I don't trust the skeleton parses.

"I hit 42k self buffed on a target dummy with my stam dk!"

Dummy Parse:

Actual Parse:

The second parse looks like a tank parse

Danksta · August 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I don't trust the skeleton parses.

"I hit 42k self buffed on a target dummy with my stam dk!"

Dummy Parse:

Actual Parse:

The second parse looks like a tank parse

The dummy parse was also just a one second burst in a PvP setup.

Bowser · August 2017

Danksta wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I don't trust the skeleton parses.

"I hit 42k self buffed on a target dummy with my stam dk!"

Dummy Parse:

Actual Parse:

The second parse looks like a tank parse

The dummy parse was also just a one second burst in a PvP setup.

Hey now 42k damage in 1 second is 42k damage per second.

Asardes · August 2017

As for 6M dummy parses ~25K self buffed and self sustained should be the minimum for running the easier vet trials. You can pull that with any decent combo of crafted and easy to get dropped sets at purple quality if you do the rotation correctly even if you don't animation cancel everything perfectly. That 25K should turn to around 30K in the actual trial provided you watch the short youtube guides to learn the mechanics or you've done the trial before. If someone pulls 30K all by himself then he shouldn't worry. 35K+ he's probably in the first 1%. Anything lower than 15K is suspicious and means either the build is healer or tank or people playing it don't have a clue and haven't even bothered to watch 5 youtube guides. 1 DoT and constantly heavy attacking on top of that gives more than 15K.

Trashkan · August 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Are people really running lich in PvE, now?

What class is that optimal for?

Working on a build with sun,lich,grothdar on mdk I got a sword and shield on destro on back bar and i pull 26k parse not too sure if the second sword will ever drop but I think it might help that parse get around 30k but I don't know yet and am still farming for second sword.

kylewwefan · August 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

I've just recently been getting to break 25K+ on a few toons. It doesn't come naturally by mashing buttons.

I've many many different legendary gear setups. The gear isn't everything. Even the skills used aren't as much as how you use them.

I would semi confidently say anyone that actually is pulling big numbers (above 20K) knows their class and fights decently well.

No reason to lie about anything. Everything will be exposed in combat.

20K is not anywhere near big numbers, it's honestly really low and can be gotten by just applying DoTs and holding HA.

That's where I started on my Sorc. LL WoE Pet heavy. Easily pulls 20K. I've since gotten better. But that little bit will carry you through 99%.

It's not like that on Stam toons. Not at all. Many players I see don't realize how little damage they actually pull.

Danksta · August 2017

Bowser wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I don't trust the skeleton parses.

"I hit 42k self buffed on a target dummy with my stam dk!"

Dummy Parse:

Actual Parse:

The second parse looks like a tank parse

The dummy parse was also just a one second burst in a PvP setup.

Hey now 42k damage in 1 second is 42k damage per second.

You're not lying.

dpencil1 · August 2017

While I agree that lying about parses is juvenile, I am a fan of skeleton parses as a thing unto themselves. It may be that one's dps is different in a trial environment, but increasing your own dps on the skeleton usually corresponds to increasing your dps elsewhere, which can also help you determine what gear sets work better for you. Also, for those of us who can't run trials often or have a laggy experience in big groups, improving on the dummy can be a fun solo mini-game for its own sake.

IronCrystal · August 2017

Bowser wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I don't trust the skeleton parses.

"I hit 42k self buffed on a target dummy with my stam dk!"

Dummy Parse:

Actual Parse:

The second parse looks like a tank parse

The dummy parse was also just a one second burst in a PvP setup.

Hey now 42k damage in 1 second is 42k damage per second.

Oh are we doing 1 second parses?

FakeFox · August 2017

Target skeleton DPS isn't worth anything. Sure I can change my build to do 45k parses, but that build won't do **** in a raid.
The skeleton is for testing and training rotations and not for showing actual DPS.

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

I can understand OP's concern in a Trial setting. Spend 30 minutes to an hour putting together a PUG for Vet Trials, forming the group purely based on teammate's professed ability. Get to the first boss, wipe, check your parser, and realize three DPS are only putting out 5k-15k each. Kick them. Stall the entire run for God knows how long trying to find replacements. It's even worse when guild members are the ones lying (or simply don't know their DPS parse or know how to obtain it).

People will lie in this game hoping to be carried through content. Some will lie simply to impress strangers.

How does one see the DPS of teammates? I know Combat Metrics shows you your DPS as a percentage of the total team DPS, but I didn't know I could actually see other people's numbers.

exeeter702 · August 2017

There are far too many people in this thread who are completely off base.

The catagory of players actually making use of the dps information that a skeleton dummy parse provides are the same catagory of players that know explicitly where to apply said information and exactly how much actuall stock to put into it.

The type of players that lie about their parse and / or say ridiculous things like...

"If boss dies then it is fine"

"dps parse is useless because they are stationary and dont fight back"

"Dead dps does zero dps"

Are the same players that are likely not the ones actually making use of the information a parse provides. They are the players that are completely disregarding its importance for guilds or player groups trying to fine tune a trial group.

Skeleton parses are in no way an end all indication or representation of what a players actual live trial dps is going to be. The players that fully understand this truth are the very ones that make the most out of skeleton dummy parses.

Crom_CCCXVI · August 2017

I've hit 25K, but I'm told people running the same sets as me are close to 40.

But then they add, well this guy off to the side is doing buffs, debuffs, helping to make sure my resources don't run out. Yeah, it's hard to get an honest answer.

No different than one someone says their spell damage is 4500, even though it only happens when like 5 buffs hit at the same time and only lasts for like 2 seconds.

Olupajmibanan · August 2017

One simply cannot know if they are lying to him or we are really that bad.

I pull 30-32k on a 3M target skeleton (100% to 0%) with my magDK solo, without any external help (no worm, no orbs, no lightning blockade), only using elemental drain myself (slotted instead of harness magicka). But most magDKs are claiming that they can easily pull 40k. I have nirnhoned VMA fire staff, 3 gold infallible jewelry and Grothdarr+Sun in full divines. I really don't know if I am that bad or these 40k claimers have someone to keep lightning blockade up for them to ensure perma Power Lashes.

Egonieser · August 2017

Someone's DPS on a stationary dummy that does nothing means squat to me, absolute, zero, squat. Or even in any group content, because it's a group. Someone will always cover your back, carry you if you mess up, help you with sustain and heals and generally do things for you.

True test of skill is not in a controlled environment mashing skills in a predetermined way over and over again. Staying alive and winning against overwhelming odds is. Namely things like PvP (no, not zergs), where the combat situation is dynamic and ever changing and you have to act and react and change your strategies and rotations completely 180° on the fly. Now THAT is skill, given that you manage to do it.
Pounding a stationary dummy or brain-dead boss that has 3 scripted and timed attacks is indication of nothing.
Only that you memorised some mechanics and skill rotations. That's about it. That is your big achievement, be proud of it. It's not like it matters everywhere else outside said trial or dungeon, because it doesn't.

True skill comes from being adaptive to combat and ever changing environments and situations, not how quickly you can mash your keyboard or controller without your fingers becoming fatigued. Analyzing your opponent, watching his movement and rotations, predicting his next move is what a skilled player can do, none of it is present in PvE. So I apologize for being elitist in this case, but I look down on PvE scrubbery, and their so called "achievements of X,Y,Z" Even the best PvE dungeon crawler and DPS master is a nobody in my eyes. I do apologize for that, but just saying how I feel, and not ashamed to admit it.

Darkdex · August 2017

Target skeleton parses (when correctly measured, i.e. 100% to 0%) are a good in general.

Even if Skelly parses are not representative of trial dps or trial environment, they provide information about the following aspects:

Muscle memory: If a player can perform well in a skelly, that means he/she knows the rotation, so he/she can pay attention to the actual trial mechanics instead of thinking about what button is going to press on the next second.

DPS capabilities under controlled time frames in trial fights: In all trials there are at least one period over a fight where you need/can pull out as much damage as you can (ozara fight, Mage execute phase, Serpent poison phase, vMoL 1st boss shield phase, etc) and if your dps in those scenarios is not high enough then you wipe.

In general if a player has mastered his dummy tests, he can focus in improving in other aspects of his gameplay, learn actual trial mechanics, react easily, or, at least, he can put some dots on the boss while moving out of red.

max_only · August 2017

All of you posting these "parse" screenshots -- I have No Idea what I'm supposed to be looking at in that jumble of numbers.

IronCrystal · August 2017

max_only wrote: »

All of you posting these "parse" screenshots -- I have No Idea what I'm supposed to be looking at in that jumble of numbers.

@max_only
Here, I made a quick guide of one of my friend's combat metrics from the other day.

Edit: I'm not sure why his single target on the Mantikora is higher than his "total" dps, maybe combat metrics screwed up.

But here is another example on Valariel:

MakoFore · August 2017

Mettaricana wrote: »

As much as i wish my dps was higher on my stam sorc i clear about 24-27k dps but also last one to die in groups and trials and normally the one bringing group back from death when the tank or healers take a dive in a botched vet run.

yeah thats the class not you. stam sorcs are always last to die cos of crit surge and dungeon survivabilitry- they heal when doing passive damage. just sayin..

anyway i recall alcast saying in a similar thread years ago : Movement + situational awareness > DPS .
id prefer to take 11 other decent solo players who know if they need to self heal, shield, etc- look after themselves in a trial, over a guy who slots inner light, trap, armements and a pet, etc, etc- but no shield- so they can pull enormous deeps - but wont be able to stay alive- and subseqeuntly blame the healer and everyone around them. unfortunately there isnt a way to tell this from that- so dps numbers it is.

Dubhliam · August 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

What I dont get is HOW can people pull theee times the DPS as me using same skills, cp and gear? I'm getting a steady 16-17k dps on my Stamsorc (no assistance) and I do weave light attacks, keep up DOTs and just cant get the 35k+ everyone else seema to get.

It bottles the mind...

Is the gear enchanted properly?
What are your stats?
What is your rotation?
Which potions do you use?
Food?

Dubhliam · August 2017

djdc1234 wrote: »

LuminaLilly wrote: »

Too many people do it. There are a select few who back it up using screenshots. But when people say they pull 40k+ dps in a short amount of time only running julianos and lich, I call bularky.

So this dude running the same build as mine, which is julianos and lich, he said he pulled over 50k dps. If course it's b.s. cause it's my PvP build and you can't pull off much dps with that.

So I ask for screenshot and offered to let him use my target skeleton. He kept dodging the subject.

Have you caught anyone lying about their dps time?

DPS test are stupid and break up guilds and friends, a person needs to learn strategies and be taught the right ways to run trails and others.

I've personally never done dps that high. My best is 26k. Yet I melt bosses and have been taught by good people over my time with eso.
And I just use 3 moondancer julery, 5 netchs, 2 lambriss. 2 gold staff sharp. I know I can pull more but I was never a move canceling person. I can do it slightly. And don't agree that you need it to be accepted.

25k DPS self buffed is good.
If every player that goes int vMoL brings 25k plus the know how, you will finish vMoL. Anyone that demands more is an ass.

However!
I don't need to tell you the difference from 15k to 25k. It is almost double.
A trial run that should last one hour lasts for two hours.
Actually more, because lots of times there are DPS checks that the 15k DPS group cannot pass.
So three hours.

The skeletons aren't here to boast your DPS to others, it's here so that you yourself can find a way to improve.
Once you improve your DPS, you will be extra grateful to the skelly.

Wreuntzylla · August 2017

Malic wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

If youre lying about DPS on a target skelleton in an MMO then the issue is like one of self esteem.

Let em have the lie, imagine what their real life is like.

Have a little empathy you rubes, its tough out there in the real world.

This, more if you out dps the group in an dungeon as healer or worse tank.

The nice thing to do would to invite them over for coffee, they are probably just like Earl IRL. Be nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQl_cwioe8#t=60.513068

Wow, didn't know Akroyd ever looked like that.

max_only · August 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

I don't trust the skeleton parses.

"I hit 42k self buffed on a target dummy with my stam dk!"

Dummy Parse:

Actual Parse:

The second parse looks like a tank parse

The Inner Rage icon.... it's got to be from a tank right? No way that a dps is using that taunt.... right??