Put your Banker/Merchant away

Cebasak · August 2017

@ zos, give the banker a taunt!

IcyDeadPeople · August 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

Guys, there are a lot of people who are not playing the English version of ESO, and they don't read English chat cos they don't understand English. If only ZOS would translate chat into their ESO language version as well. Just watch twich ESO, you'll see their ESO is in a foreign language and chats are still in English and a wall of English in chat doesn't mean they get what u r saying.

Taking away banker and merchant in a dungeon is common sense. Shouldn't even have to ask nor understand. Just do it.

Why is it common sense? I certainly have no problem putting them away, but never in a million years imagined this annoyed anybody until I saw this thread. You can't target the banker or merchant, and they don't affect the enemies at all. They are the same as the quest givers running around in the dungeon, just background NPCs.

I don't do much PVE, but nearly every time I do any dungeon or trial there have been a couple of the merchant/bankers following us through the entire dungeon and almost everybody has the crown store pets out as well. Never bothered me and just seemed like majority of players always have these out if they have them unlocked.

Reverb · August 2017

Yes it's annoying, and yes people should put their assistants away before combat starts, but you're letting yourself get way more worked up about it than is warranted.

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Why is it common sense? I would have never in a million years imagined this annoyed anybody until I saw this thread. You can't target the banker or merchant, and they don't affect the enemies at all. They are the same as the quest givers running around in the dungeon, just background NPCs.

There are also people taller than 5ft10 who pretend to not realize that they shouldn't stand 1st row at a concert...

ESO combat relies heavily on visual clues. The space is often scarce and severely cluttered with visual clues. It's so bad that ZOS recently adjusted the gameplay so that we don't see some of other people's actions. Any extra NPC is yet another visual pollution and source of distraction. So are non-combat pets, but they're smaller.
Background NPCs such as quest givers are also an annoyance - but they usually stand further away.

What also bugs me is that a banker and a merchant have NOTHING to do, from a logical point of view, in a battlefield. They're non-combat professions. Having them standing there is non-sensical, from an "immersion" point of view.

tommalmm · August 2017

I find the assistants annoying, too. Not that I can't progress with them walking around, nor anything like that, just annoying. The only real problem is view obstruction, but these are not a real problem (take a look at the huge maw of the infernal daedroth - I hate it when tanking. Have to move around to see heavy attacks and interruptible attacks comming). I would never keep my merchant/banker intentionally up for the entire dungeon, though.

As for pets. All DDs actually use (unless some solo build) is volatile familiar. It doesn't taunt the boss. Might take an aggro of an add, but only if tank doesn't taunt it. The only problem is that it can stun an enemy. Then the tank can't use chains to bring it to the group. But that's only a control issue. If DDs don't start battle before tank does, then they attack the group that tank has rooted, not some remote asdds, it never causes a problem (except for some bosses in trials where pets might actually cause a wipe, but thats a whole other story).

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

I don't do much PVE, but nearly every time I do any dungeon or trial there have been a couple of the merchant/bankers following us through the entire dungeon and almost everybody has the crown store pets out as well. Never bothered me and just seemed like majority of players always have these out if they have them unlocked.

Frankly, if I'm pugging random normal, I don't bother. If I'm running with friends doing vet Elden Hollow, I don't bother much either. It's annoying, but I broaden my tolerance threshhold for the sake of... tolerance. But if we're working on vet Falkreath Hold, anything getting in the way is a no-no.

jlboozer · August 2017

If it bothers you that much then maybe you're not as good of a healer as you think you are....you can't demand other people to do anything they don't want to.

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2017

jlboozer wrote: »

If it bothers you that much then maybe you're not as good of a healer as you think you are....you can't demand other people to do anything they don't want to.

What has it got to do with being a good healer or a good player ?????
What's wrong with asking people to behave in a civil way and to use common sense ?

starkerealm · August 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

yep its annoying. Its often unintentional though people say - they have it slotted and hit it in combat.

How hard is it to unslot it ?

Unslotting it is fairly easy. Finding it to reslot later is a pain.

Valid point.
Let's suggest to re-bind it to some faraway key, then ?

That's what I do. I have my banker on F9, and my merchant on F10.

DRXHarbinger · August 2017

Tythis comes everywhere with me. Even when Rakkhat is being burned he is there....all 12 of them Cheering the group on. Strength in numbers you know.

zaria · August 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

So far never had anyone ask me to put them away. Usually seems the other group members are glad to be able to empty their bags quickly, and Nuzimah is a badass. Sometimes she is the last one standing

That's valid for outside of combat. The complaint is about having them up during combat. Noone can use your merchant while in combat because she moves around with you. She's not available to other players.
If noone ever asked you to put her away, it's because they were annoyed to have to ask. But merchants or bankers during combat are both annoying and ridiculous to everyone else.

This, and its the healer who care because he need to know there the players are, banker and merchant also looks a lot like an player. Yes you will also get into fights with lots of humanoid adds but you also get boss fights with no adds but lots of running around.
if healer ask you to put it away do it.

IcyDeadPeople · August 2017

zaria wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

So far never had anyone ask me to put them away. Usually seems the other group members are glad to be able to empty their bags quickly, and Nuzimah is a badass. Sometimes she is the last one standing

That's valid for outside of combat. The complaint is about having them up during combat. Noone can use your merchant while in combat because she moves around with you. She's not available to other players.
If noone ever asked you to put her away, it's because they were annoyed to have to ask. But merchants or bankers during combat are both annoying and ridiculous to everyone else.

This, and its the healer who care because he need to know there the players are, banker and merchant also looks a lot like an player. Yes you will also get into fights with lots of humanoid adds but you also get boss fights with no adds but lots of running around.
if healer ask you to put it away do it.

I am the healer! =P

But of course, I have no problem dismissing banker / merchant NPC, just didn't realize they bothered anyone until I saw this thread.

Titansteele · August 2017

Whats more annoying that a banker/merchant/thief being out while in a dungeon? That is 100% correct, 3 of them! Fancy a vet dungeon later OP?

Keep_Door · August 2017

I would normally put it away when im done with it but if someone is flipping out about it demnading it be out away yaddayaddayadda i would leave it out just to see how much agony it would cause them.

I would probably get a chuckle out of it.

Go ahead and ignore me idc

@fetts

IcyDeadPeople · August 2017

Titansteele wrote: »

Whats more annoying that a banker/merchant/thief being out while in a dungeon? That is 100% correct, 3 of them! Fancy a vet dungeon later OP?

This is fairly common for me to see several of these out for the entire dungeon run, as well as everyone's non-combat pets. I think the majority of players keep these enabled if they have them.

S1L3NTL4DY420 · August 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

I think I would look for new healer as well. Control issues much? Tanks are only true leaders in any PvE content.

Care to back it up with some facts, examples or explanations ? I've met great raid leaders in any role.

I played in groups where any role was lead. Best ones I have seen were tanks, from my own experience. Simple as that.

Okay. So "from your own experience" you draw a generally valid conclusion that says "only true leaders are tanks"... .... no further comment, your Honor

I'd actually agree with them too though. If everyone goes down but the tank, they can come in clutch and res everyone whilst taking a hell of a beating, if you go in there with 3 dps and a healer, if the three dps go down you'd better hurry up and get a res or you'll be joining them, soon. It's not so much a "leader" thing for me, but tanks hold the agro and stop everyone else from taking a beating, decent players are self-sufficient therefore making a healer more of a hindrance in dungeons than a help. Tanks are ALWAYS welcome in my group, healers though.... there's a place for all of you in trials ❤️

zaria · August 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

More than that, the Clanfear actually has a taunt. I'm not sure what the parameters are where it can fire, until Morrowind it could taunt Trial bosses. It might not be able to taunt dungeon bosses, I'm honestly not sure.

Only the clanfear has an taunt, its not supposed to could taunt if other than sorc attack the enemy. You would never use an clanfear in an group anyway as it does crap dps and you have an tank.

Runschei · August 2017

Pets and assistants should be on vacation while you are in veteran dungeons and trials.

Ajaxduo · August 2017

tbh I leave mine out because I had so many times people would repeatedly ask me to summon banker/merchant after unsummoning it that it gets annoying xD

Feanor · August 2017

Runschei wrote: »

Pets and assistants should be on vacation while you are in veteran dungeons and trials.

This. Especially for trials it's not only courtesy but a considerable FPS increase most times.

ValkynSketha · August 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

I can understand that merchant/banker should be put away, but concerning combat pets they don't pull aggro over tank not a single pet have that, if you think that then you should question yourself as a tank to why you are not applying taunt again before it expires.

Tyrobag · August 2017

I don't have a banker, but I've never had any issue with someone having one out (no matter what role I'm playing). I've even had Tythis Andromo tank for me. No really, someone made a character with that name that looked exactly like him :P

I've never noticed any ill effects from someone keeping their banker or merchant out for the duration of a dungeon.
And as for the people complaining about sorc pets: they don't pull aggro (and the taunt wast taken off the clannfear for dungeons some time ago), so if something is on them its because the tank dropped taunt.

OP is just severely overreacting, its like back in the day when people insisted that vanity pets had to be put away in trials. Initially there was some reason for it (they soaked up buffs/heals), but once they were fixed some people continued to insist on it. This is the same kind of silly vendetta, but the difference is that there was never any issue caused by having them out. It doesn't effect you if someone else has their assistant out.

zaria · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

So far never had anyone ask me to put them away. Usually seems the other group members are glad to be able to empty their bags quickly, and Nuzimah is a badass. Sometimes she is the last one standing

That's valid for outside of combat. The complaint is about having them up during combat. Noone can use your merchant while in combat because she moves around with you. She's not available to other players.
If noone ever asked you to put her away, it's because they were annoyed to have to ask. But merchants or bankers during combat are both annoying and ridiculous to everyone else.

This, and its the healer who care because he need to know there the players are, banker and merchant also looks a lot like an player. Yes you will also get into fights with lots of humanoid adds but you also get boss fights with no adds but lots of running around.
if healer ask you to put it away do it.

I am the healer! =P

But of course, I have no problem dismissing banker / merchant NPC, just didn't realize they bothered anyone until I saw this thread.

Don't bother me either but can understand some healers don't want them out.
Now this will be more interesting if we get to customize the merchant and banker.

Enslaved · August 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

I think I would look for new healer as well. Control issues much? Tanks are only true leaders in any PvE content.

Care to back it up with some facts, examples or explanations ? I've met great raid leaders in any role.

I played in groups where any role was lead. Best ones I have seen were tanks, from my own experience. Simple as that.

Okay. So "from your own experience" you draw a generally valid conclusion that says "only true leaders are tanks"... .... no further comment, your Honor

Well what did u expected? A f PhD study? Not that I saw you proved me wrong in any way.

zyk · August 2017

Because assistants offer no combat value, isn't it reasonable to dismiss them if they bother a group member?

Khenarthi · August 2017

I can sympathise with the OP... I hate seeing the bankers/merchants all over the place, specially in places where there isn't much room to begin with. Belkarth in the morning is specially tragic, while many people are turning in their writs.

Mine are only summoned when I need them, and sent back to Oblivion immediately after. It makes it worse because they all look the same. It's as if Tythis/Nuzimeh are a new kind of Daedra, slowly taking over Nirn. I never understood why people leave them in tow everywhere instead of just stowing them away.

vamp_emily · August 2017

I think a lot of people overreact in this game. Zone chat doesn't bother me, bankers and merchants out don't bother me, proc sets, poisons, and getting killed by a zerg does not bother me. Most things don't bother me.

However, I do overreact in PvP. If the enemy is attacking, I will kindly say something like "Ash UA". If people don't show up to defend, I turn into a total witch and say things like, "Omg! it does not take 20 minutes to get to Ash" or "I guess all the good players logged off" or "You guys can't defend anything. I gave you a warning before they even started sieging, L2Defend".

sevomd69 · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

So far never had anyone ask me to put them away. Usually seems the other group members are glad to be able to empty their bags quickly, and Nuzimah is a badass. Sometimes she is the last one standing

That's valid for outside of combat. The complaint is about having them up during combat. Noone can use your merchant while in combat because she moves around with you. She's not available to other players.
If noone ever asked you to put her away, it's because they were annoyed to have to ask. But merchants or bankers during combat are both annoying and ridiculous to everyone else.

This, and its the healer who care because he need to know there the players are, banker and merchant also looks a lot like an player. Yes you will also get into fights with lots of humanoid adds but you also get boss fights with no adds but lots of running around.
if healer ask you to put it away do it.

I am the healer! =P

But of course, I have no problem dismissing banker / merchant NPC, just didn't realize they bothered anyone until I saw this thread.

In our guild trial runs... required to put away non-combat pets and assistants... why would you have them out during combat anyway?... especially when asked to... other than to be an a-hole...

IcyDeadPeople · August 2017

sevomd69 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

So far never had anyone ask me to put them away. Usually seems the other group members are glad to be able to empty their bags quickly, and Nuzimah is a badass. Sometimes she is the last one standing

That's valid for outside of combat. The complaint is about having them up during combat. Noone can use your merchant while in combat because she moves around with you. She's not available to other players.
If noone ever asked you to put her away, it's because they were annoyed to have to ask. But merchants or bankers during combat are both annoying and ridiculous to everyone else.

This, and its the healer who care because he need to know there the players are, banker and merchant also looks a lot like an player. Yes you will also get into fights with lots of humanoid adds but you also get boss fights with no adds but lots of running around.
if healer ask you to put it away do it.

I am the healer! =P

But of course, I have no problem dismissing banker / merchant NPC, just didn't realize they bothered anyone until I saw this thread.

In our guild trial runs... required to put away non-combat pets and assistants... why would you have them out during combat anyway?... especially when asked to... other than to be an a-hole...

Of course, I'd be happy put them away if anyone asked. No one ever asked, never bothered me in the slightest and I had no idea it bothered anyone until reading this thread today. I thought people were glad to have the convenience of being able to clear their bags quickly after each fight.

Generally every time I have ever done dungeons or trials during the past year it seems everyone has crown store pets out and there are usually at least a few banker/merchant etc. Just did some trials yesterday and there were 3 or more bankers and merchants running with us the entire time.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · August 2017

I agree with OP. The bankers and merchants should at least have a timeout when not being accessed.