So after PC patch, Cyrodiil guards

red_emu · August 2017

After observing numerous Zerg groups over the years the guards have Learnt2Play

Krayzie · August 2017

red_emu wrote: »

After observing numerous Zerg groups over the years the guards have Learnt2Play

Krayzie · August 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just a heads up that we're looking into this, but would love to get some additional information including your platform and megaserver, which campaign you're in, the approximate location, and which abilities the guards are casting. Thanks!

Every platform, every megaserver, hope this helps

ZOS_GinaBruno · August 2017

Krayzie wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just a heads up that we're looking into this, but would love to get some additional information including your platform and megaserver, which campaign you're in, the approximate location, and which abilities the guards are casting. Thanks!

Every platform, every megaserver, hope this helps

You play on PC NA, PC EU, Xbox NA, Xbox EU, PS4 NA and PS4 EU?

Claire · August 2017

Add more ultimates into the mix! Negates are common, but I'd like to see four overlapping destroy ultis from the pin guards.

Alpheu5 · August 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just a heads up that we're looking into this, but would love to get some additional information including your platform and megaserver, which campaign you're in, the approximate location, and which abilities the guards are casting. Thanks!

Every platform, every megaserver, hope this helps

You play on PC NA, PC EU, Xbox NA, Xbox EU, PS4 NA and PS4 EU?

The epitome of gameplay dedication.

AlMcFly · August 2017

Feanor wrote: »

It's still possible to solo a level 5 resource if you have an undisturbed 10 minutes and a bit of luck. But it's true, the Honor Guards have the DK skill set and can use Eclipse too. Also it feels like you get eclipsed every 5 seconds or so, and the Dragon Blood heal from 5% to full is annoying too. Definitely seems like the bugs are back.

Edit: DK chains, Vampires Bane and Eclipse don't apply Line of Sight correctly. You can get hit even if you are in the tower through the walls.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

The Prophet should have reached out to the peon Cyrodiil NPCs for help against Molag Bal. It appears they've been allowed to have godly skillsets no player character can mimic.

thawks · August 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

You play on PC NA, PC EU, Xbox NA, Xbox EU, PS4 NA and PS4 EU?

(not that guy)

I play on PC EU, Sotha Sil. Capturing resources is a lot harder than it used to be. Mage Guards will incessantly spam Eclipse, which you cannot break free from; I feel like the uptime on that particular debuff is 50%. Menders will use the stun attack very often when they aren't healing. The Honor Guards will instantly heal to full every so often, seemingly on a timer. I also feel like I heal a lot less during these fights, as if I've been afflicted with Major Defile, even after I've purged and have no debuffs on me.

I've only recently returned to PvP, so I'm not sure when this change (if any) took place, or whether any of the above is intended, but I do remember resources being a lot easier to capture than they currently are.

Zer0oo · August 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just a heads up that we're looking into this, but would love to get some additional information including your platform and megaserver, which campaign you're in, the approximate location, and which abilities the guards are casting. Thanks!

Every platform, every megaserver, hope this helps

You play on PC NA, PC EU, Xbox NA, Xbox EU, PS4 NA and PS4 EU?

At least on PC EU on all campaigns do the guards spam eclipse like no tomorrow, which is now unbreakable and is still not updated which skills it should reflect. It can reflect siege weapons, destro ultis and almost every other skill in the game. Did i mention you can NOT break it? Quite fun to take a resource now.

Krayzie · August 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Krayzie wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just a heads up that we're looking into this, but would love to get some additional information including your platform and megaserver, which campaign you're in, the approximate location, and which abilities the guards are casting. Thanks!

Every platform, every megaserver, hope this helps

You play on PC NA, PC EU, Xbox NA, Xbox EU, PS4 NA and PS4 EU?

PS4/Xbox NA

Cinbri · August 2017

This problem sounds for me like this

Glory · August 2017

Here is a situation where I'm guard disorient thing-ied over and over and over:

https://youtu.be/asHELAuC2_I

ZOS_BrianWheeler · August 2017

Each NPC is using the appropriate abilities as earned via the upgrade system and are not cross wired as they were during the initial launch of Morrowind several months ago. This was fixed on PC and Console platforms, and remains intact from that initial fix. This has been verified in code and in game by our QA department as well as Devs hopping online to verify.

That being said, with recent balance changes and adjustments to item sets, the guards may put forth more of a challenge. As a reminder, Resources are intended to be captured by a group of 2-4 players and while some players can take them solo, that is not the norm, nor what we balance guard abilities and difficulty around.

laksikus · August 2017

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Each NPC is using the appropriate abilities as earned via the upgrade system and are not cross wired as they were during the initial launch of Morrowind several months ago. This was fixed on PC and Console platforms, and remains intact from that initial fix. This has been verified in code and in game by our QA department as well as Devs hopping online to verify.

That being said, with recent balance changes and adjustments to item sets, the guards may put forth more of a challenge. As a reminder, Resources are intended to be captured by a group of 2-4 players and while some players can take them solo, that is not the norm, nor what we balance guard abilities and difficulty around.

its not a challange if guards can cast ecplise on cooldown.

Thats a cc immunity that gets ignored, and that should be fixxed asap.
As mag nb there is nothing i can do against ecplise from guards.

EVERY of my class skills get reflected, including malee concealed weapon which is completly stupid.

Bucky Balls · August 2017

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Each NPC is using the appropriate abilities as earned via the upgrade system and are not cross wired as they were during the initial launch of Morrowind several months ago. This was fixed on PC and Console platforms, and remains intact from that initial fix. This has been verified in code and in game by our QA department as well as Devs hopping online to verify.

That being said, with recent balance changes and adjustments to item sets, the guards may put forth more of a challenge. As a reminder, Resources are intended to be captured by a group of 2-4 players and while some players can take them solo, that is not the norm, nor what we balance guard abilities and difficulty around.

Is the capability of guards to cast abilities through tower walls and around corners also included as part of this balanced and challenging design?

olsborg · August 2017

Its so annoying that every npc on a resource is spamming you with cc, you need a cc pot to be able to kill anything before they bump back up to 100% hp.

Tasear · August 2017

Remember we did say they were to easy...

Krayzie · August 2017

Bucky Balls wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Each NPC is using the appropriate abilities as earned via the upgrade system and are not cross wired as they were during the initial launch of Morrowind several months ago. This was fixed on PC and Console platforms, and remains intact from that initial fix. This has been verified in code and in game by our QA department as well as Devs hopping online to verify.

That being said, with recent balance changes and adjustments to item sets, the guards may put forth more of a challenge. As a reminder, Resources are intended to be captured by a group of 2-4 players and while some players can take them solo, that is not the norm, nor what we balance guard abilities and difficulty around.

Is the capability of guards to cast abilities through tower walls and around corners also included as part of this balanced and challenging design?

Not to mention the distance in which they can detect you and cast at you is insane

Krayzie · August 2017

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Each NPC is using the appropriate abilities as earned via the upgrade system and are not cross wired as they were during the initial launch of Morrowind several months ago. This was fixed on PC and Console platforms, and remains intact from that initial fix. This has been verified in code and in game by our QA department as well as Devs hopping online to verify.

That being said, with recent balance changes and adjustments to item sets, the guards may put forth more of a challenge. As a reminder, Resources are intended to be captured by a group of 2-4 players and while some players can take them solo, that is not the norm, nor what we balance guard abilities and difficulty around.

Ridiculous, ZoS effectively trying to weed out the solo players I guess, scummy.

Also, pretty sad the only way in which to make your game more 'challenging' is to take away CC immunity against NPCs and couple that with them being able to spam negates and CC abilities constantly.

Marabornwingrion · August 2017

red_emu wrote: »

After observing numerous Zerg groups over the years the guards have Learnt2Play

Can't wait when guards will learn how to gank/bomb with destro ults, maybe they will even start tbagging players?

Rygonix · August 2017

ZoS endorses Zerging, confirmed.

Also playing something off that you don't care to put any effort into fixing as "intended" is quite classy, Brian. Blizzard does that all the time, and their subs are dropping faster than flies in a cloud of Raid.

Learn from your competition, not emulate them.

NyassaV · August 2017

Guards are still far too powerful. MAYBE let them have negate but the amount of CC they have is stupid. That isn't even mentioning the fact that yes, they can go from 5% health to 98% in a second

NBrookus · August 2017

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Each NPC is using the appropriate abilities as earned via the upgrade system and are not cross wired as they were during the initial launch of Morrowind several months ago. This was fixed on PC and Console platforms, and remains intact from that initial fix. This has been verified in code and in game by our QA department as well as Devs hopping online to verify.

That being said, with recent balance changes and adjustments to item sets, the guards may put forth more of a challenge. As a reminder, Resources are intended to be captured by a group of 2-4 players and while some players can take them solo, that is not the norm, nor what we balance guard abilities and difficulty around.

If, as ZOS has said in the past, you want PVE and PVP to function the same, then the NPC abilities need to work the same as player abilities when they match, and need to respect CC immunity and other basic gameplay mechanics. How are novices to Cyrodiil supposed to be prepared for the fact that all the mechanics they have learned, and the ones they are going to face from other players, suddenly have their rules rewritten at resources?

Neoauspex · August 2017

Just make sure you don't get cc'd while on your horse, you won't be able to break free for like 15 seconds

goldenarcher1 · August 2017

Its easy with a bow,just run into tower and snipe them guards away.

My god,a situation in PVP where bow is BIS?

WillhelmBlack · August 2017

@ZOS_BrianWheeler.

It's easy for many builds (well, all of mine) to take a resource solo. The problem is when there are players on that resource, which is often. If you have the guards constant CC applied or Eclipse and well, BOTH do you realise how much of a disadvantage that is? You can't defend yourself, you can't attack, you're a sitting duck! Guard's Eclipse reflects EVERYTHING, even melee attacks. Slam has no immunity. Luckily the guards have no burst so you can take a potion and wait for a window to attack. If 1 player is there, all they have to do is apply 1 burst of damage, 1 Surprise Attack, an ulti, a Frag, Jesus Beam, anything and you're toast.

Eclipse and Slam are broken, that is the biggest complaint. You are right to ignore the whiners that can't flip a flag solo though.

PC EU All servers.

Nullmagic · August 2017

All of the above is made even "better" by the fact that they throw so much *** at you that half of it doesn't render half the time. I get stuff thrown back in my face by eclipses I can't even see.

danno8 · August 2017

People aren't just running on to the flag trying to 1v8 all the NPCs are they?

The way you take resources is to run into the tower, kill the mage, kill the stragglers that wander in after you, and then deal with the four flag defenders.

If there is an enemy player there, then yes you are going to have a tough time. As it should be.

geonsocal · August 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just a heads up that we're looking into this, but would love to get some additional information including your platform and megaserver, which campaign you're in, the approximate location, and which abilities the guards are casting. Thanks!

hmmmm, maybe the guards have somehow reached some semblance of sentience and just got tired of getting run over all the time...

#npcshaverightstoo

Mureel · August 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler any word on this?
Retaking resources solo takes a lot of time because guards are spamming CCs like there's no tomorrow (especially eclipse). This issue was reported in June and you said it's not intended. How many months we need to wait for it to be finally fixed?

But to be fair, should we really be able to take a resource alone? Just because we can (not even a pvper but if I'm on the way by, I snag resources back for my faction) There are only 3 per keep with guards and a Mage above and other stuff, I don't honestly think we should be able to solo the whole place so easily.

It's nice, sure - but I think it shouldn't be possible. I also think that people who stand in siege fire should be rekt. It's obvious and it's meant to wreck walls and doors. We shouldn't be able to withstand a siege hit.

Imho.