None of those options. I haven't used Precise or Powered for ages. Infused on Master Resto and Infused on random staff with Crusher or Weakening enchant for PVE if you want to support your group nicely. There's so much overheal anyway and a oneshot is a oneshot (as in no shield or blocking or whatever mitigation) even with 8k Healing Springs.
As for PVP... I would agree with a powered trait if you're really just gonna heal your raid/group. If it's just your defensive offbar - defending.
Heals scale off of spell damage and max magic so increasing your spell damage also increases your heals. There is probably some threshold that if your spell damage is really low then powered might be better, but when I tested it I had 2600 spell power and I was getting much bigger heals with nirnhoned then powered.
Wearing sets that increase healing might put powered on top, not sure how that passive would scale with nirn vs powered since eso can sometimes use some real fuzzy math xD
You are wrong here by a huge margin.
Nirnohed on weapon increases just a current weapon scaling by 11% not overall weapon/spell damage. That makes it way worse than powered, since resto gold staff with 1335 dmg, it will give only about 146 spell damage thats almost nothing for the overall healing spell about 320 points no matter the about of spelldamage or magicka you have since spell damage scales linear with abilities, while powered 7% gives about 3 times bigger benefits than this since it is scaling out of a total amount of heal, not the 1 factor of the ability scaling and not only that but it also scales with the other healing bonuses scaling.
Comparing 2 staffs on same CP and color, 6% healing bonus gives me 700 healing on a 8k healing ability.
Heals scale off of spell damage and max magic so increasing your spell damage also increases your heals. There is probably some threshold that if your spell damage is really low then powered might be better, but when I tested it I had 2600 spell power and I was getting much bigger heals with nirnhoned then powered.
Wearing sets that increase healing might put powered on top, not sure how that passive would scale with nirn vs powered since eso can sometimes use some real fuzzy math xD
You are wrong here by a huge margin.
Nirnohed on weapon increases just a current weapon scaling by 11% not overall weapon/spell damage. That makes it way worse than powered, since resto gold staff with 1335 dmg, it will give only about 146 spell damage thats almost nothing for the overall healing spell about 320 points no matter the about of spelldamage or magicka you have since spell damage scales linear with abilities, while powered 7% gives about 3 times bigger benefits than this since it is scaling out of a total amount of heal, not the 1 factor of the ability scaling and not only that but it also scales with the other healing bonuses scaling.
Comparing 2 staffs on same CP and color, 6% healing bonus gives me 700 healing on a 8k healing ability.
No I'm not wrong by a huge margin lol. Nirnhoned does increase your spell and weapon damage which increases your heals as well, fact. Check your character stat page.
Like i said, i tested prior to morrowind, maybe there has been changes, but regardless my bol was healing for an extra 900 health using nirnhoned vs powered, fact.
Different armour bonuses and cp allocation may change that, but on my characters set up nirnhoned gave much better heals, again fact based on actual testing.
paulsimonps wrote: »Heals scale off of spell damage and max magic so increasing your spell damage also increases your heals. There is probably some threshold that if your spell damage is really low then powered might be better, but when I tested it I had 2600 spell power and I was getting much bigger heals with nirnhoned then powered.
Wearing sets that increase healing might put powered on top, not sure how that passive would scale with nirn vs powered since eso can sometimes use some real fuzzy math xD
You are wrong here by a huge margin.
Nirnohed on weapon increases just a current weapon scaling by 11% not overall weapon/spell damage. That makes it way worse than powered, since resto gold staff with 1335 dmg, it will give only about 146 spell damage thats almost nothing for the overall healing spell about 320 points no matter the about of spelldamage or magicka you have since spell damage scales linear with abilities, while powered 7% gives about 3 times bigger benefits than this since it is scaling out of a total amount of heal, not the 1 factor of the ability scaling and not only that but it also scales with the other healing bonuses scaling.
Comparing 2 staffs on same CP and color, 6% healing bonus gives me 700 healing on a 8k healing ability.
No I'm not wrong by a huge margin lol. Nirnhoned does increase your spell and weapon damage which increases your heals as well, fact. Check your character stat page.
Like i said, i tested prior to morrowind, maybe there has been changes, but regardless my bol was healing for an extra 900 health using nirnhoned vs powered, fact.
Different armour bonuses and cp allocation may change that, but on my characters set up nirnhoned gave much better heals, again fact based on actual testing.
You must have had one weird looking set up to get the result that nirnhoned gave more than powered....... 7% healing Done > 146 spell damage, even in situations where you get other buffs to spell damage it will usually be powered that gets the win. In a large amounts of scenarios powered will get more than powered by large margins just like he said. Now I'm not saying you are lying but I am questioning your testing methods.
paulsimonps wrote: »Heals scale off of spell damage and max magic so increasing your spell damage also increases your heals. There is probably some threshold that if your spell damage is really low then powered might be better, but when I tested it I had 2600 spell power and I was getting much bigger heals with nirnhoned then powered.
Wearing sets that increase healing might put powered on top, not sure how that passive would scale with nirn vs powered since eso can sometimes use some real fuzzy math xD
You are wrong here by a huge margin.
Nirnohed on weapon increases just a current weapon scaling by 11% not overall weapon/spell damage. That makes it way worse than powered, since resto gold staff with 1335 dmg, it will give only about 146 spell damage thats almost nothing for the overall healing spell about 320 points no matter the about of spelldamage or magicka you have since spell damage scales linear with abilities, while powered 7% gives about 3 times bigger benefits than this since it is scaling out of a total amount of heal, not the 1 factor of the ability scaling and not only that but it also scales with the other healing bonuses scaling.
Comparing 2 staffs on same CP and color, 6% healing bonus gives me 700 healing on a 8k healing ability.
No I'm not wrong by a huge margin lol. Nirnhoned does increase your spell and weapon damage which increases your heals as well, fact. Check your character stat page.
Like i said, i tested prior to morrowind, maybe there has been changes, but regardless my bol was healing for an extra 900 health using nirnhoned vs powered, fact.
Different armour bonuses and cp allocation may change that, but on my characters set up nirnhoned gave much better heals, again fact based on actual testing.
You must have had one weird looking set up to get the result that nirnhoned gave more than powered....... 7% healing Done > 146 spell damage, even in situations where you get other buffs to spell damage it will usually be powered that gets the win. In a large amounts of scenarios powered will get more than powered by large margins just like he said. Now I'm not saying you are lying but I am questioning your testing methods.
I'd hardly call kags/trans a weird set up, it's pretty common. As far as my testing methods its pretty simple to swap out staffs using the same armor sets and then compare tooltips and actual heals. In real life testing scenarios the nirnhoned came out on top for heals every time whether it was bol or resto heals.
If you are able to get better heals with powered then by all means use it, but if your testing method is based on paper and thinking eso uses true math then I guess I am questioning your testing methods xD
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Heals scale off of spell damage and max magic so increasing your spell damage also increases your heals. There is probably some threshold that if your spell damage is really low then powered might be better, but when I tested it I had 2600 spell power and I was getting much bigger heals with nirnhoned then powered.
Wearing sets that increase healing might put powered on top, not sure how that passive would scale with nirn vs powered since eso can sometimes use some real fuzzy math xD
You are wrong here by a huge margin.
Nirnohed on weapon increases just a current weapon scaling by 11% not overall weapon/spell damage. That makes it way worse than powered, since resto gold staff with 1335 dmg, it will give only about 146 spell damage thats almost nothing for the overall healing spell about 320 points no matter the about of spelldamage or magicka you have since spell damage scales linear with abilities, while powered 7% gives about 3 times bigger benefits than this since it is scaling out of a total amount of heal, not the 1 factor of the ability scaling and not only that but it also scales with the other healing bonuses scaling.
Comparing 2 staffs on same CP and color, 6% healing bonus gives me 700 healing on a 8k healing ability.
No I'm not wrong by a huge margin lol. Nirnhoned does increase your spell and weapon damage which increases your heals as well, fact. Check your character stat page.
Like i said, i tested prior to morrowind, maybe there has been changes, but regardless my bol was healing for an extra 900 health using nirnhoned vs powered, fact.
Different armour bonuses and cp allocation may change that, but on my characters set up nirnhoned gave much better heals, again fact based on actual testing.
You must have had one weird looking set up to get the result that nirnhoned gave more than powered....... 7% healing Done > 146 spell damage, even in situations where you get other buffs to spell damage it will usually be powered that gets the win. In a large amounts of scenarios powered will get more than powered by large margins just like he said. Now I'm not saying you are lying but I am questioning your testing methods.
I'd hardly call kags/trans a weird set up, it's pretty common. As far as my testing methods its pretty simple to swap out staffs using the same armor sets and then compare tooltips and actual heals. In real life testing scenarios the nirnhoned came out on top for heals every time whether it was bol or resto heals.
If you are able to get better heals with powered then by all means use it, but if your testing method is based on paper and thinking eso uses true math then I guess I am questioning your testing methods xD
what is your max magic and spell damage at? the only i can make sense of this is that you have so many percent amps already ( IE 25% from major mending, 8% from minor, 5% from argonian, 15% from cp, gets you to 53, then and powered gives you 7% and that takes you to 60% and 160/153= 1.05, and so on) and your spell damage and max magic magic are so low that the extra raw stats from nirn gives you the boost you need to beat the "7%" from powered.
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Heals scale off of spell damage and max magic so increasing your spell damage also increases your heals. There is probably some threshold that if your spell damage is really low then powered might be better, but when I tested it I had 2600 spell power and I was getting much bigger heals with nirnhoned then powered.
Wearing sets that increase healing might put powered on top, not sure how that passive would scale with nirn vs powered since eso can sometimes use some real fuzzy math xD
You are wrong here by a huge margin.
Nirnohed on weapon increases just a current weapon scaling by 11% not overall weapon/spell damage. That makes it way worse than powered, since resto gold staff with 1335 dmg, it will give only about 146 spell damage thats almost nothing for the overall healing spell about 320 points no matter the about of spelldamage or magicka you have since spell damage scales linear with abilities, while powered 7% gives about 3 times bigger benefits than this since it is scaling out of a total amount of heal, not the 1 factor of the ability scaling and not only that but it also scales with the other healing bonuses scaling.
Comparing 2 staffs on same CP and color, 6% healing bonus gives me 700 healing on a 8k healing ability.
No I'm not wrong by a huge margin lol. Nirnhoned does increase your spell and weapon damage which increases your heals as well, fact. Check your character stat page.
Like i said, i tested prior to morrowind, maybe there has been changes, but regardless my bol was healing for an extra 900 health using nirnhoned vs powered, fact.
Different armour bonuses and cp allocation may change that, but on my characters set up nirnhoned gave much better heals, again fact based on actual testing.
You must have had one weird looking set up to get the result that nirnhoned gave more than powered....... 7% healing Done > 146 spell damage, even in situations where you get other buffs to spell damage it will usually be powered that gets the win. In a large amounts of scenarios powered will get more than powered by large margins just like he said. Now I'm not saying you are lying but I am questioning your testing methods.
I'd hardly call kags/trans a weird set up, it's pretty common. As far as my testing methods its pretty simple to swap out staffs using the same armor sets and then compare tooltips and actual heals. In real life testing scenarios the nirnhoned came out on top for heals every time whether it was bol or resto heals.
If you are able to get better heals with powered then by all means use it, but if your testing method is based on paper and thinking eso uses true math then I guess I am questioning your testing methods xD
what is your max magic and spell damage at? the only i can make sense of this is that you have so many percent amps already ( IE 25% from major mending, 8% from minor, 5% from argonian, 15% from cp, gets you to 53, then and powered gives you 7% and that takes you to 60% and 160/153= 1.05, and so on) and your spell damage and max magic magic are so low that the extra raw stats from nirn gives you the boost you need to beat the "7%" from powered.
Not that it likely makes a different, but you forgot minor mending as a possibility.
what is your max magic and spell damage at? the only i can make sense of this is that you have so many percent amps already ( IE 25% from major mending, 8% from minor, 5% from argonian, 15% from cp, gets you to 53, then and powered gives you 7% and that takes you to 60% and 160/153= 1.05, and so on) and your spell damage and max magic magic are so low that the extra raw stats from nirn gives you the boost you need to beat the "7%" from powered.
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Heals scale off of spell damage and max magic so increasing your spell damage also increases your heals. There is probably some threshold that if your spell damage is really low then powered might be better, but when I tested it I had 2600 spell power and I was getting much bigger heals with nirnhoned then powered.
Wearing sets that increase healing might put powered on top, not sure how that passive would scale with nirn vs powered since eso can sometimes use some real fuzzy math xD
You are wrong here by a huge margin.
Nirnohed on weapon increases just a current weapon scaling by 11% not overall weapon/spell damage. That makes it way worse than powered, since resto gold staff with 1335 dmg, it will give only about 146 spell damage thats almost nothing for the overall healing spell about 320 points no matter the about of spelldamage or magicka you have since spell damage scales linear with abilities, while powered 7% gives about 3 times bigger benefits than this since it is scaling out of a total amount of heal, not the 1 factor of the ability scaling and not only that but it also scales with the other healing bonuses scaling.
Comparing 2 staffs on same CP and color, 6% healing bonus gives me 700 healing on a 8k healing ability.
No I'm not wrong by a huge margin lol. Nirnhoned does increase your spell and weapon damage which increases your heals as well, fact. Check your character stat page.
Like i said, i tested prior to morrowind, maybe there has been changes, but regardless my bol was healing for an extra 900 health using nirnhoned vs powered, fact.
Different armour bonuses and cp allocation may change that, but on my characters set up nirnhoned gave much better heals, again fact based on actual testing.
You must have had one weird looking set up to get the result that nirnhoned gave more than powered....... 7% healing Done > 146 spell damage, even in situations where you get other buffs to spell damage it will usually be powered that gets the win. In a large amounts of scenarios powered will get more than powered by large margins just like he said. Now I'm not saying you are lying but I am questioning your testing methods.
I'd hardly call kags/trans a weird set up, it's pretty common. As far as my testing methods its pretty simple to swap out staffs using the same armor sets and then compare tooltips and actual heals. In real life testing scenarios the nirnhoned came out on top for heals every time whether it was bol or resto heals.
If you are able to get better heals with powered then by all means use it, but if your testing method is based on paper and thinking eso uses true math then I guess I am questioning your testing methods xD
what is your max magic and spell damage at? the only i can make sense of this is that you have so many percent amps already ( IE 25% from major mending, 8% from minor, 5% from argonian, 15% from cp, gets you to 53, then and powered gives you 7% and that takes you to 60% and 160/153= 1.05, and so on) and your spell damage and max magic magic are so low that the extra raw stats from nirn gives you the boost you need to beat the "7%" from powered.
Not that it likely makes a different, but you forgot minor mending as a possibility.
what?what is your max magic and spell damage at? the only i can make sense of this is that you have so many percent amps already ( IE 25% from major mending, 8% from minor, 5% from argonian, 15% from cp, gets you to 53, then and powered gives you 7% and that takes you to 60% and 160/153= 1.05, and so on) and your spell damage and max magic magic are so low that the extra raw stats from nirn gives you the boost you need to beat the "7%" from powered.
paulsimonps wrote: »Heals scale off of spell damage and max magic so increasing your spell damage also increases your heals. There is probably some threshold that if your spell damage is really low then powered might be better, but when I tested it I had 2600 spell power and I was getting much bigger heals with nirnhoned then powered.
Wearing sets that increase healing might put powered on top, not sure how that passive would scale with nirn vs powered since eso can sometimes use some real fuzzy math xD
You are wrong here by a huge margin.
Nirnohed on weapon increases just a current weapon scaling by 11% not overall weapon/spell damage. That makes it way worse than powered, since resto gold staff with 1335 dmg, it will give only about 146 spell damage thats almost nothing for the overall healing spell about 320 points no matter the about of spelldamage or magicka you have since spell damage scales linear with abilities, while powered 7% gives about 3 times bigger benefits than this since it is scaling out of a total amount of heal, not the 1 factor of the ability scaling and not only that but it also scales with the other healing bonuses scaling.
Comparing 2 staffs on same CP and color, 6% healing bonus gives me 700 healing on a 8k healing ability.
No I'm not wrong by a huge margin lol. Nirnhoned does increase your spell and weapon damage which increases your heals as well, fact. Check your character stat page.
Like i said, i tested prior to morrowind, maybe there has been changes, but regardless my bol was healing for an extra 900 health using nirnhoned vs powered, fact.
Different armour bonuses and cp allocation may change that, but on my characters set up nirnhoned gave much better heals, again fact based on actual testing.
You must have had one weird looking set up to get the result that nirnhoned gave more than powered....... 7% healing Done > 146 spell damage, even in situations where you get other buffs to spell damage it will usually be powered that gets the win. In a large amounts of scenarios powered will get more than powered by large margins just like he said. Now I'm not saying you are lying but I am questioning your testing methods.
I'd hardly call kags/trans a weird set up, it's pretty common. As far as my testing methods its pretty simple to swap out staffs using the same armor sets and then compare tooltips and actual heals. In real life testing scenarios the nirnhoned came out on top for heals every time whether it was bol or resto heals.
If you are able to get better heals with powered then by all means use it, but if your testing method is based on paper and thinking eso uses true math then I guess I am questioning your testing methods xD
Do shadow and passives that say increases critical hit damage also boost heals?
paulsimonps wrote: »Heals scale off of spell damage and max magic so increasing your spell damage also increases your heals. There is probably some threshold that if your spell damage is really low then powered might be better, but when I tested it I had 2600 spell power and I was getting much bigger heals with nirnhoned then powered.
Wearing sets that increase healing might put powered on top, not sure how that passive would scale with nirn vs powered since eso can sometimes use some real fuzzy math xD
You are wrong here by a huge margin.
Nirnohed on weapon increases just a current weapon scaling by 11% not overall weapon/spell damage. That makes it way worse than powered, since resto gold staff with 1335 dmg, it will give only about 146 spell damage thats almost nothing for the overall healing spell about 320 points no matter the about of spelldamage or magicka you have since spell damage scales linear with abilities, while powered 7% gives about 3 times bigger benefits than this since it is scaling out of a total amount of heal, not the 1 factor of the ability scaling and not only that but it also scales with the other healing bonuses scaling.
Comparing 2 staffs on same CP and color, 6% healing bonus gives me 700 healing on a 8k healing ability.
No I'm not wrong by a huge margin lol. Nirnhoned does increase your spell and weapon damage which increases your heals as well, fact. Check your character stat page.
Like i said, i tested prior to morrowind, maybe there has been changes, but regardless my bol was healing for an extra 900 health using nirnhoned vs powered, fact.
Different armour bonuses and cp allocation may change that, but on my characters set up nirnhoned gave much better heals, again fact based on actual testing.
You must have had one weird looking set up to get the result that nirnhoned gave more than powered....... 7% healing Done > 146 spell damage, even in situations where you get other buffs to spell damage it will usually be powered that gets the win. In a large amounts of scenarios powered will get more than powered by large margins just like he said. Now I'm not saying you are lying but I am questioning your testing methods.
Nirnhoned cannot outperform powered in any situation. It never did before HotR, it doesn't now.
Let's say the healer has 42K magicka and about 2.6K spell damage fully buffed which would be typical for a trial healer. That would translate to 42K/10.5 + 2.6K = 6.6K effective spell damage. Let's say nirnhoned adds about 250 to that (1335*15% = 200 base spell damage, buffed by minor + major sorcery) It would mean an increase of ~3.8%. So your spells, including healing spells will only gain 3.8% power from nirnhoned. Powered would amplify your healing by a flat 9%, almost 2.5 times stronger. In order for nirnhoned to outperform powered, you would need to have an effective spell damage of under 250*100/9 = 2780. That means about 10K magicka and 1.8K spell damage which you would have as ... stamina DD maybe
Nirnhoned cannot outperform powered in any situation. It never did before HotR, it doesn't now.
Let's say the healer has 42K magicka and about 2.6K spell damage fully buffed which would be typical for a trial healer. That would translate to 42K/10.5 + 2.6K = 6.6K effective spell damage. Let's say nirnhoned adds about 250 to that (1335*15% = 200 base spell damage, buffed by minor + major sorcery) It would mean an increase of ~3.8%. So your spells, including healing spells will only gain 3.8% power from nirnhoned. Powered would amplify your healing by a flat 9%, almost 2.5 times stronger. In order for nirnhoned to outperform powered, you would need to have an effective spell damage of under 250*100/9 = 2780. That means about 10K magicka and 1.8K spell damage which you would have as ... stamina DD maybe
For pure healing you are right, but a healer with 42k magicka and 2,6k spelldamage will allready have very big heals. So it will be maybe more support with doing more damage. In that situation nirnhoned will again the better choose.
Only for healing you are right for sure. Healer need to do more then just healing, because just healing is very easy.
FrancisCrawford wrote: »Is Powered multiplicative with everything? Or is it additive to, for example, crit bonus?
Nirnhoned cannot outperform powered in any situation. It never did before HotR, it doesn't now.
Let's say the healer has 42K magicka and about 2.6K spell damage fully buffed which would be typical for a trial healer. That would translate to 42K/10.5 + 2.6K = 6.6K effective spell damage. Let's say nirnhoned adds about 250 to that (1335*15% = 200 base spell damage, buffed by minor + major sorcery) It would mean an increase of ~3.8%. So your spells, including healing spells will only gain 3.8% power from nirnhoned. Powered would amplify your healing by a flat 9%, almost 2.5 times stronger. In order for nirnhoned to outperform powered, you would need to have an effective spell damage of under 250*100/9 = 2780. That means about 10K magicka and 1.8K spell damage which you would have as ... stamina DD maybe
For pure healing you are right, but a healer with 42k magicka and 2,6k spelldamage will allready have very big heals. So it will be maybe more support with doing more damage. In that situation nirnhoned will again the better choose.
Only for healing you are right for sure. Healer need to do more then just healing, because just healing is very easy.
Support skills don't scale with magicka, but having more magicka allows you to cast them more often: magicka steal is 300 magicka per second, and the amount returned by shards and orbs depends on your level, not even your stats. So Nirnhoned will do nothing to improve those. For a mixed healer/DD setup the best trait will be precise, since it boosts both your healing and your damage done much more than nirnhoned. For example assuming Templar - 10% bonus to critical damage done from Piercing spear passive - and 56 CP in Elfborn for another 20%, your critical hits will do 65% extra damage compared to non-critical ones. Precise adds 7% critical chance, so you will have 7% chance to cause 65% more damage, or, in a longer fight the bonus damage from precise will be around 4.5% without additional multipliers. As I said above nirnhoned adds around 3.8% to your effective spell power, to which all your healing and DD skills scale, which is less than the 4.5% bonus damage from precise. In practice they will be pretty close so if you have a nirnhoned dropped staff you use for both healing and DD there's no reason to keep farming precise on that staff.