I'm disappointed ZoS(rare mounts)

luen79rwb17_ESO · August 2017

Bad luck suck but those funds will go to ESO's next chapter for sure!

FloppyTouch · August 2017

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Bad luck suck but those funds will go to ESO's next chapter for sure!

Better be a damn good chapter lol

PrayingSeraph · August 2017

ChildOfLight wrote: »

You can tell me that everyone does what he wants with his money. True. But neglecting something is wrong, is just not right either.

"I spent one thousand dollars on this videogame in order to let a glittering mount to fall on the head of my character out of nowhere"

The problem is that anyone can phrase most purchases in a way to make it sound bad.

PS4_ZeColmeia · August 2017

I got the ebony senche with my free crown crates. You obviously need to buy more crates.

Cocorocho · August 2017

Why didn't you buy 1k worth of lottery tickets instead? You would win lottery because you have 1238712983 tickets and would be rich and buy as many crates you want... Oh wait.. it doesn't work like that.

Also OP, spending whatever amount on a video game is none of our business BUT there are lots of statistic posts about crown crate drops so you knew what you were getting into, i honestly don't think you have the right the complain here.

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FloppyTouch · August 2017

Cocorocho wrote: »

Why didn't you buy 1k worth of lottery tickets instead? You would win lottery because you have 1238712983 tickets and would be rich and buy as many crates you want... Oh wait.. it doesn't work like that.

Also OP, spending whatever amount on a video game is none of our business BUT there are lots of statistic posts about crown crate drops so you knew what you were getting into, i honestly don't think you have the right the complain here.

Not complaining a common theme response. And no there is not enough info on the rare drops you can't buy with gems. Tons of info on the other mounts that are very easy and cheap to get.

Gargath · August 2017

That's a lot of money. Maybe OP keep raising tickets to ZOS, but not on the forum. You are one of these uniquely high paying real customers to them, I'm sure that if you keep asking for special VIP treatment, you will get what you need sooner or later.
However I feel that bringing complaints to the forum won't help you...

Minyassa · August 2017

A Green Package season ticket seat license for the Green Bay Packers is $2,100. I think football tickets are the stupidest waste of money ever invented, I loathe football and think any money spent on it is ridiculous. But that's me. I wouldn't tell a Packers fan not to spend that money if that's what makes them happy...even if I think it's really stupid.

FloppyTouch · August 2017

Gargath wrote: »

That's a lot of money. Maybe OP keep raising tickets to ZOS, but not on the forum. You are one of these uniquely high paying real customers to them, I'm sure that if you keep asking for special VIP treatment, you will get what you need sooner or later.
However I feel that bringing complaints to the forum won't help you...

Maybe I worded things wrong in the OP but in other comments I tried to come up with better reasons or ways they can go about this. I'm sure you didn't read those. Like an increase of % drop the more crates you open. I'm trying to be constructive but the only thing the other people that are posting is omg that too much money for me or you are an idiot.

I'm fine with rare mounts but mathematically you could go on buying these crates and never get the rare ones ever. This is an issue I'm bringing up. There should be a way if you spend enough to get the items you want.

Illurian · August 2017

Minyassa wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Lol @ everyone telling OP how to spend his money. He can spend it as he wants. I know some people who spend thousands of dollars on a night out. At least a thousand bucks on crown crates will be remembered.

OP, sorry about your sucky rng. I actually got the Adamant horse that you are looking for and the Apex bear in one bundle (15) of crown crates when I wanted the Dromathra senche or striped wolf mounts. Still don't have the ones I was aiming for, but I'm definitely not complaining.

It's almost as if the game KNOWS what you want and purposely doesn't give you that specific item. Confirmation bias, I know, but still.

I think you are right about the game knowing. I see so many posts in the forum about people getting mounts that weren't the ones they wanted. I told Pacrooti I would be happy with ANY mount, so. Y'know. Poisons. -__-

Pacrooti is a slimy Khajiit and should not be told anything, much less what you desire!

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Lol @ everyone telling OP how to spend his money. He can spend it as he wants. I know some people who spend thousands of dollars on a night out. At least a thousand bucks on crown crates will be remembered.

OP, sorry about your sucky rng. I actually got the Adamant horse that you are looking for and the Apex bear in one bundle (15) of crown crates when I wanted the Dromathra senche or striped wolf mounts. Still don't have the ones I was aiming for, but I'm definitely not complaining.

It's almost as if the game KNOWS what you want and purposely doesn't give you that specific item. Confirmation bias, I know, but still.

I'm jealous you got the mount but gratz none the less! Wish I could buy it off you but this game is not like that

Thanks! Yeah I also wish a lot more of this game was tradable (vMA weapons for example) but sadly it isn't so.

Wildcopper · August 2017

BloodWolfe wrote: »

STOP SUPPORTING CROWN CRATES! These are the epitome of greed. That amount of money could have been spent in many better ways. I'm all for supporting this game which is why I'm an ESO+ subscriber and buy the odd additional crown packs but the crates are beyond ridiculous and people need to stop buying them.

Same here, I support this game with my ESO+ subscription, not by purchasing some virtual lottery crates.

Cocorocho · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote:

Not complaining a common theme response. And no there is not enough info on the rare drops you can't buy with gems. Tons of info on the other mounts that are very easy and cheap to get.

Looking at the post with statistics, 1450 crates opened and 3 adamant dwarven horses out of them. Come on now really its simple math, maybe its not 100% accurate but at least you have an idea

Waseem · August 2017

they wanted to do this( mounts not obtainable by gems) from the very beginning but there was alot of negative community feedback so they delayed it.

also, expect mount chances to get much lower with every season because there will be overall less players who buy crown crates (the hype is over) thus they want to sort of compensate the money income from players who do buy them. this unknown rare chance is just a delayed feature, expect more in future and that's about it

FloppyTouch · August 2017

Waseem wrote: »

they wanted to do this( mounts not obtainable by gems) from the very beginning but there was alot of negative community feedback so they delayed it.

also, expect mount chances to get much lower with every season because there will be overall less players who buy crown crates (the hype is over) thus they want to sort of compensate the money income from players who do buy them. this unknown rare chance is just a delayed feature, expect more in future and that's about it

You have numbers to show there is less interest in these mounts? Bc running around pvp I see a ton of them. I don't think it's less people just more greed

thewaywardone · August 2017

I also wish there was an option to buy the super rare crown items.

I don't understand why people are so upset that other people enjoy the crown crate gamble.

They are an unnecessary money sink for decorative items that don't affect game play, so why do they matter to the people who don't want to buy them?

If the items that dropped (or even if there was a super rare chance of this) affected game play on an inherent level, I could understand everyone saying "Don't buy the crates!" If you could glean things from them that would give you a game play advantage I would understand the upset, but for fluffy items? I really don't understand it...

MornaBaine · August 2017

thewaywardone wrote: »

I also wish there was an option to buy the super rare crown items.

I don't understand why people are so upset that other people enjoy the crown crate gamble.

They are an unnecessary money sink for decorative items that don't affect game play, so why do they matter to the people who don't want to buy them?

If the items that dropped (or even if there was a super rare chance of this) affected game play on an inherent level, I could understand everyone saying "Don't buy the crates!" If you could glean things from them that would give you a game play advantage I would understand the upset, but for fluffy items? I really don't understand it...

Because there are players who enjoy "fluffy items" as much as other players enjoy having BiS gear. And since virtually ALL "fluffy items" have to be purchased with real money people get a tad upset when they are not allowed to purchase the things they want. This has been the complaint against the gamble boxes from the start. When you're WILLING to support a game with cold hard cash and are told by the makers of that game, "Well you're just not willing to spend ENOUGH to satisfy us so here, spend 10 times as much for just a CHANCE at getting what you want," that leaves a bad taste. It makes the people willing to lay down money to support the game feel completely un-valued as customers. And eventually they will find a place that makes them feel more valued more often than not.

beetleklee · August 2017

I wish the crates were about 99 cents each like in other games, and you could earn some by playing the game (leveling up, achievements, ect.) As it stands right now they're expensive and have some of the worst RNG I've seen. Ideally I'd rather everything be available for crowns but RNG crates seem to be a staple in games nowadays.

LadyDestiny · August 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Most good gatcha games have a counter where after a certain point ($500, let's say) you're guaranteed a rare. Once the online gambling laws eventually kick in across NA, we'll see similar measures.

This should be in place by any game developer with morals and a conscience, but ripping people off goes as far as the person lets himself get ripped off. That being said....well you get my drift.

There should be laws in place.

jandjpaprockib14_ESO · August 2017

RNG, bane of the gaming world. Dev's know that in some people it causes an addiction, it's no different than lottery or gambling. I won't participate in it for any reason. What others do with their money is their business, but I don't like it.

I think China has the right idea in that if you want to do RNG you have to list the odds. That should be a requirement.

Devs do it because if makes them money and lots of it. They will continue to do it as long as people continue to support it. If you don't like it, don't participate in it or don't start complaining when you do and nothing comes of it when you knew in the first place that it's a chance and not a guarantee.

FloppyTouch · August 2017

You all miss the point well not all of you it's not the crown crates crown crates are very fair you can buy the stuff with gems or get lucky. It's about the unattainable rare ones they added this round. These are the issue something that is rare and wanted but no way to get them.

It's not about real money it's not how i spend my money it's not about being for or against crown crates it just about these 3 mounts that mathematically could be impossible for someone to get.

This post was about the fact of the new crown crates it's not right and to open discussion on how possibly it could be better. But the children of the forums can't get there heads around 1k cash or the fact people want these mounts and can't get them now. Please try to understand this is about just these new mounts not the crown crates. I'm 100% in support of all crown crates but not these super rare mounts that he have no way of getting. IMO THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE.

beetleklee · August 2017

I agree that the super rare mounts should be purchasable with gems, even if they were like 800-1000 gems.

SASQUATCH0 · August 2017

Yeah I got the ebon dwarven senche from the free crown crate... thought it was a little fishy

Kahina · August 2017

ChildOfLight wrote: »

And there are people that spend 1 mount salary on them.

Don't you feel dirty? I mean, there is nothing right here. Both on the IRL and RP sides.

There are people here for whom that one months salary is a couple of days of earnings. After tax. I'm one of them There will be people here who can earn it in a few hours.

The OP has a valid point. There should be another way to get those super rare mounts that relies less on RNG. What people spend there money on is their business.

Khumbu · August 2017

I spent money on crown crates for the wild hunt and got nothing. Logged on enough to get the free dwarven crates and got the RNG version of the dwarven wolf.

Now my wardens will never have a cool earthy nature mount to go with their theme, and I'm stuck with an ugly grey robot that can't even be given away or gifted to someone who likes its look. This system is terrible and needs a lot of tweaking, even by RNG game fluff standards.

Diminish · August 2017

I stopped caring at -

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I have been a huge supporter of crown crates spent thousands of dollars on them.

You realize that you are the reason your problem exists in the first place, don't you?

FloppyTouch wrote: »

This is not right if I spend the money I should have the option to buy it.

You lost that option as soon as you started supporting this *** crown crate business model.

Kahina · August 2017

Khumbu wrote: »

Now my wardens will never have a cool earthy nature mount to go with their theme ...

I grabbed the Sabre Tooth mount (or whatever it is called) for my Wood Elf Warden. Glad I did.

Got the Dwarven Bear from the crates, and grabbed enough gems to buy the Senche I thought I wanted. But they just don't have the looks. Now I've seen the rare in game, I don't want the base. And the rare in basically unobtainable, so I likely won't bother again.

twev · August 2017

grannas211 wrote: »

Damn. A thousand bucks and no dice? What the heck are the odds on these? That's insane

For less than a thousand bux he could buy a real horse.
And the RNG of getting a good one is a lot higher, too.

Animus-ESO · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Ans here i am using my free crown crate (1) and getting the horse and not even wanting it lol. I would rather they just sold everything outright. For me I would never spend that much money on a game, but to each his or her own. I am a gym rat and don't want to count how much money I've spent on that part of my life!

This is the issue almost everyone I talked to got those rare rng mounts from the free one this is the point of the thread. Like is was a lure to get the people that spend money to spend more because we see them running around but it's almost not even in the drop chance

The problem is that 90% of the population doesn't even know the ebony dwarven mounts even exist. They think you are talking about the normal dwarven camel, wolf and bear. But there is an ebony colored one that's ultra rare.

Cernow · August 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

You all miss the point well not all of you it's not the crown crates crown crates are very fair you can buy the stuff with gems or get lucky. It's about the unattainable rare ones they added this round. These are the issue something that is rare and wanted but no way to get them.

It's not about real money it's not how i spend my money it's not about being for or against crown crates it just about these 3 mounts that mathematically could be impossible for someone to get.

This post was about the fact of the new crown crates it's not right and to open discussion on how possibly it could be better. But the children of the forums can't get there heads around 1k cash or the fact people want these mounts and can't get them now. Please try to understand this is about just these new mounts not the crown crates. I'm 100% in support of all crown crates but not these super rare mounts that he have no way of getting. IMO THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE.

How you spend you money is your business, but please do not think you are supporting the game when buying Crown Crates in this way, to chase a specific item with a very low drop chance. All you are doing is making matters worse for everyone and encouraging the developers to use ever more shady methods to extract money from the player base.

Yes, perhaps you can afford it. But if you keep buying and buying into the thousands of dollars, can you not see it It just encourages the developers to set the RNG chance very very low, to keep the customers like yourself chasing the items. Ultimately it burns everyone.

Bear in mind that ZoS do not publish the RNG odds you are up against when chasing specific items. They aren't obliged to by law (whether they should be is another discussion). So your guess is as good as the next persons as to what the actual odds are. For everyone who says they got a super rare mount on their first try (assuming they are telling the truth) the vast majority of players won't, not even close. You can't even be sure they are reinvesting the profits in the game.

Yes, this needs to change. These RNG boxes take various forms in different MMOS, but they share one thing in common - they are always set up with very low drop chances to milk the player base. They are a blight on the MMO industry. But the change won't come from within the games industry itself and certainly not while players are still throwing their money at RNG boxes.

If you want to support the game, avoid the crown crates and buy items directly from the crown store. Try to resist the temptation to chase the rare and likely unobtainable RNG. Yes I know some of the mounts are tempting, but that's why they're designed that way. Perhaps if enough players do this, the developers will start to sell more items directly, free of RNG tactics.

swippy · August 2017

mommadani907 wrote: »

... the folks that insist upon rolling out decisions like this... are the type of people that would be removed from my vicinity.

they "would"? under what circumstances? and by whom?

mommadani907 wrote: »

Because I don't like people that feel slimy.

and you say you can tell how they "feel"? did you get consent?

OP has the feeling he got duped because of the precedent that's been set. for more than 6 months, since the introduction of the Crown Crates, it was true that participating in the system heavily enough will eventually yield the reward of your choice, guaranteed. if you drew nothing but eyelashes and poison you'd still be able to accrue enough Gems to buy everything you want if you stuck with it. until this season

i know a lot of people like to denigrate the Crates thing as "pure RNG" and "gambling" and then look down on anyone who doesn't view it the same way. i've read very intelligent arguments from people who take this position.
but the fact is that previously there was a "sure thing" aspect to it in the sense that, even at the minimum (which i think is 8 Gems per Crate?) you could definitely stack up enough Gems to pick your favorite thing from the list, eventually, guaranteed.

that's no longer the case, with the silver wolves and black cats or whatever. i honestly don't know if that was in the patch notes. i definitely didn't know about it ahead of time.

i know it's the popular opinion of the people who're most vocal on this topic on these official forums that anyone who buys Crates is a gambling idiot who's probably just as likely to lose their home on a dice roll, but in real life it's at least as likely that the big spenders are people who are halfway-decent at evaluating their risk/reward and that's why they have Crowns to drop in the first place.

at the end of it all, this is a case where someone's concerned about how the rules changed recently. still railing against the rule changes that happened 10 months ago can fit into lots of other threads.

(and btw trying a throat-punch is often a quick way to split a knuckle, but if you know a feint that will somewhat-reliably raise a chin i will pay 6-digit gold to hear it)