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ZOS, I do not agree with your marketing practices.
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Jeger✭I'm happy whenever ESO can generate revenue without affecting my gameplay. Sell costumes, sell colors, sell anything cosmetic, So long as it doesn't become ptw, go for it. I hope they raise tons of money.2 -
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But it changes nothing. Your version is still showing how great you are and how the peasantry who can't earn it are peasants right?
Or is your achievement and hard worked unlock only valuable to you when no one else ever can have anything like it?
It's the second.
It's greed. Nothing more.
However, ZOS has a tendancy to outrageously price mounts and crap like that. I'm hoping the new skin price which is much more reasonable is a sign they're rethinking how much things are worth.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on August 10, 2017 9:54PM2 -
Anne_Firehawk✭✭✭✭✭You got 1vX'd by Zenimax' greed
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Remag_Div✭✭✭✭✭One of the laundry list of reasons why I hate the crown store. Lots of it is just lazy junk that's already in the game but sold with different colors / slight alterations and then put up with insane price tags.
And you know why ZOS does this? Because lots of people buy it. Protest with your wallet, not with forums posts. If this lazy crap didn't sell then ZOS wouldn't do this as often or at least not sell it that high.2 -
Elfbait✭✭✭FWIW, both the "original" and this new one are terribad looking, albeit in a hilarious way.0 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Weird ppl will b**** about this and not the 30 color swap reskins of a guar.
Or lets wine about the soul shriven vs mindshriven same thing just blue veins
Or all 3 of the new balmora ancestral etc outfits they are litterally the same outfit wih a minor tweak.2 -
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✭✭✭✭If they want to sell skins in Crown Store - fine, but these skins need to look different that skins earnable by achievements.
They need to make unique looking skins for Crown Store with different textures, not lazy recolors of skins from achievements!
I don't wanna see vMoL skin in Crown Store in white color instead of black, or vHoF skin in silver version instead of gold.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If they want to sell skins in Crown Store - fine, but these skins need to look different that skins earnable by achievements.
They need to make unique looking skins for Crown Store with different textures, not lazy recolors of skins from achievements!
I don't wanna see vMoL skin in Crown Store in white color instead of black, or vHoF skin in silver version instead of gold.
Um. It is different. Nobody is going to look at the Ebony skin and think, "Oh, that guy must be a great player".
Sure, the texture is the same, but there is no mistaking this skin for Spiderkith. So why the outrage?
I have all 4 of the vet dungeon/trial skins, and I have absolutely zero issue with them selling this skin. I will not buy it because it's ugly and because I prefer the prestige of an achievement skin, but I see nothing wrong with them selling a skin like this since it is not thematically tied to difficult content and it's good that they are giving the average player access to this sort of cosmetic item.
I'm not happy with how they are selling Bloodforged, since that is thematically tied to difficult content. But Ebony is fine.Edited by code65536 on August 11, 2017 4:46AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Mazbt✭✭✭✭I'm okay with zos putting skins in the crown store as long as they don't look identical to the achievement skins. IMO this skin looks fine.Mazari the Resurrected (AD)- PVP stamplar main
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✭✭✭✭I'm curious does OP not realize that this skin is straight up from the Morrowind ebony mine quest? All the NPC's had this exact skin applied (and tbh yeah it's kinda ugly). It's not even remotely similar enough to be confused for Spiderkith at a glance. Hell, it even has a massively different read overall. Spiderkith is obviously meant to give the illusion of glow, while Ebony feels like the stone-based, dull sort of infection I'd expect it to be.
Anyway Spiderkith was just a Soul-Shriven recolor in the first place. Different color pallets make a massive difference.
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Not mad ...amused that ppl are so naive to what's going on but sure throw money like a idiot all you want.. my disposable income is just fine I don't throw money at bullsh.t that's going to get worse and worse because idiots such as yourself support it..Elitetownie wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Sallington wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Cosmetic stuff? I have no problem with it. Skins, beards, polymorphs, costumes, hats, dyes - all of that does the same thing: modifies the character's appearance, without boosting stats.
Pay to lose joke broom? No problem.
Convenience items like research scrolls, soul gems, XP scrolls, horse riding lessons? No problem
Some sort of pay to win magic sword of doom? That would be the only kind of stuff I don't want to see in the crown store.
The problem is they barely rewarded us from playing the game to start with, and now they are rewarding us even less than that by walling things behind the crown store.
Perfect example is mounts. Same 3 houses available in-game since launch. Not 1 available through any type of achievement.
Skins? Not available until SotH, and they're basically putting a fork in that by now putting them in the crown store.
This is a long term complaint of mine. They game lacks any sort of reward for playing. There is basically story and grind gear. There is no goal to work towards. Sure I can farm keys and hope random loot drops for me. But that isn't a goal that keeps me coming back.
Ive long been in favor of a token system of some sort on different activities, to give people something to work towards that doesn't involve dumb luck. Something that I can track and say to myself, hey in 5 days I get that new pet or shiny hat.
They can't sell crap that's earned in game that's why it's getting less and less .. why make you grind weeks and months for something when they can slam it in the crowns store for 2k-5k crowns and rub there hands together watching the sales tick over from idiots!!snakester320 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Sallington wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Cosmetic stuff? I have no problem with it. Skins, beards, polymorphs, costumes, hats, dyes - all of that does the same thing: modifies the character's appearance, without boosting stats.
Pay to lose joke broom? No problem.
Convenience items like research scrolls, soul gems, XP scrolls, horse riding lessons? No problem
Some sort of pay to win magic sword of doom? That would be the only kind of stuff I don't want to see in the crown store.
The problem is they barely rewarded us from playing the game to start with, and now they are rewarding us even less than that by walling things behind the crown store.
Perfect example is mounts. Same 3 houses available in-game since launch. Not 1 available through any type of achievement.
Skins? Not available until SotH, and they're basically putting a fork in that by now putting them in the crown store.
This is a long term complaint of mine. They game lacks any sort of reward for playing. There is basically story and grind gear. There is no goal to work towards. Sure I can farm keys and hope random loot drops for me. But that isn't a goal that keeps me coming back.
Ive long been in favor of a token system of some sort on different activities, to give people something to work towards that doesn't involve dumb luck. Something that I can track and say to myself, hey in 5 days I get that new pet or shiny hat.
They can't sell crap that's earned in game that's why it's getting less and less .. why make you grind weeks and months for something when they can slam it in the crowns store for 2k-5k crowns and rub there hands together watching the sales tick over from idiots!!
Haha you dont have disposable income. You mad!
Edited by snakester320 on August 11, 2017 1:08AM2 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭snakester320 wrote: »
Not mad ...amused that ppl are so naive to what's going on but sure throw money like a idiot all you want.. my disposable income is just fine I don't throw money at bullsh.t that's going to get worse and worse because idiots such as yourself support it..Elitetownie wrote: »snakester320 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Sallington wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Cosmetic stuff? I have no problem with it. Skins, beards, polymorphs, costumes, hats, dyes - all of that does the same thing: modifies the character's appearance, without boosting stats.
Pay to lose joke broom? No problem.
Convenience items like research scrolls, soul gems, XP scrolls, horse riding lessons? No problem
Some sort of pay to win magic sword of doom? That would be the only kind of stuff I don't want to see in the crown store.
The problem is they barely rewarded us from playing the game to start with, and now they are rewarding us even less than that by walling things behind the crown store.
Perfect example is mounts. Same 3 houses available in-game since launch. Not 1 available through any type of achievement.
Skins? Not available until SotH, and they're basically putting a fork in that by now putting them in the crown store.
This is a long term complaint of mine. They game lacks any sort of reward for playing. There is basically story and grind gear. There is no goal to work towards. Sure I can farm keys and hope random loot drops for me. But that isn't a goal that keeps me coming back.
Ive long been in favor of a token system of some sort on different activities, to give people something to work towards that doesn't involve dumb luck. Something that I can track and say to myself, hey in 5 days I get that new pet or shiny hat.
They can't sell crap that's earned in game that's why it's getting less and less .. why make you grind weeks and months for something when they can slam it in the crowns store for 2k-5k crowns and rub there hands together watching the sales tick over from idiots!!snakester320 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Sallington wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Cosmetic stuff? I have no problem with it. Skins, beards, polymorphs, costumes, hats, dyes - all of that does the same thing: modifies the character's appearance, without boosting stats.
Pay to lose joke broom? No problem.
Convenience items like research scrolls, soul gems, XP scrolls, horse riding lessons? No problem
Some sort of pay to win magic sword of doom? That would be the only kind of stuff I don't want to see in the crown store.
The problem is they barely rewarded us from playing the game to start with, and now they are rewarding us even less than that by walling things behind the crown store.
Perfect example is mounts. Same 3 houses available in-game since launch. Not 1 available through any type of achievement.
Skins? Not available until SotH, and they're basically putting a fork in that by now putting them in the crown store.
This is a long term complaint of mine. They game lacks any sort of reward for playing. There is basically story and grind gear. There is no goal to work towards. Sure I can farm keys and hope random loot drops for me. But that isn't a goal that keeps me coming back.
Ive long been in favor of a token system of some sort on different activities, to give people something to work towards that doesn't involve dumb luck. Something that I can track and say to myself, hey in 5 days I get that new pet or shiny hat.
They can't sell crap that's earned in game that's why it's getting less and less .. why make you grind weeks and months for something when they can slam it in the crowns store for 2k-5k crowns and rub there hands together watching the sales tick over from idiots!!
Haha you dont have disposable income. You mad!
Pray tell, what's going on? There's a alternative for people who like the look but dont like the difficulty of some of the dungeons?
Oh the horror, the filthy casuals now have a piece of the pie. They must be abused to put them back in their place. Play another record.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So apparently spending our real life hard earned money doesn't count for anything these days? For shame that ZOS has bills to pay and cannot do so on giveaways.CP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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I agree that skins that possess different colors such as that should be unlockable by achievements, though skins such as the goblin should be bought in the crown store. Also, Zos should make the DC EP and AD hero costumes unlockable by gaining the achievements, Bero of the Daggerfall Covenant, Hero of the Ebonheart Pact, and Hero of the Aldmeri Dominion instead of the crown store. Same also goes with the warden costume. Furthermore, they should make a special costume for the achievement Tamriel Hero.2 -
Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭this is an b2p game, it needs the cash shop to function.
and tbh i saw worst in pay to play games where you spent $18- $30 on cash shop exclusive items.
$18 are reskins for in game items.
at least with ESO as long as you pay a sub you get equal value in crowns, least in the states.
imagine paying $15 sub, then $30 to get an exclusive mount.
oh and do not forget buying all the old holiday gear that were rewards for the previous holiday.
cash shops are needed in f2p/b2p games to earn money to keep the servers going.Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
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Zbigb4life✭✭✭✭What can I say? You put recolored vCoS skin into the crown store and you're gonna take money for this (not gonna mention you removed one of the skins from HotR and replaced it with some stupid hat, only to sell this skin in crown store). I worked hard for my vCoS skin and now everyone will be running around in the same skin but different color because they paid for it? What next, recolored vMoL skin next month in crown store?
Skins should be earnable by achievements, not bought for money. That's all.
As stated before: if ZOS can make money out of it, they squeeze it out!0 -
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✭What can I say? You put recolored vCoS skin into the crown store and you're gonna take money for this (not gonna mention you removed one of the skins from HotR and replaced it with some stupid hat, only to sell this skin in crown store). I worked hard for my vCoS skin and now everyone will be running around in the same skin but different color because they paid for it? What next, recolored vMoL skin next month in crown store?
Skins should be earnable by achievements, not bought for money. That's all.
Its a game bruh chill.0 -
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But it's so clearly different visually, the harder to earn one glows and stands out more.If they want to sell skins in Crown Store - fine, but these skins need to look different that skins earnable by achievements.
They need to make unique looking skins for Crown Store with different textures, not lazy recolors of skins from achievements!
I don't wanna see vMoL skin in Crown Store in white color instead of black, or vHoF skin in silver version instead of gold.
They already did this with Imperial City items as well in that the Soul Shriven and Mind Shriven skins were clones, and I believe the two Scamp pets are just reskins. If you're so angry about reskins and devalued content why didn't you speak up then?
Is this about the devaluation of your achievement work (which hasn't happened for all the reasons given) or you're just mad about ZOS in general.
As for the new skin which was "removed to add to the Crown Store" maybe that's the case, but that update is still in development meaning they never removed anything, just changed their mind on the delivery method before launching the product.
Edited by Turelus on August 11, 2017 9:21AM@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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lasertooth✭✭✭✭✭I support zos making money off this skin. Maybe if they sell enough of them they will upgrade their serversLasertooth
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Sevalaricgirl✭✭✭✭✭What can I say? You put recolored vCoS skin into the crown store and you're gonna take money for this (not gonna mention you removed one of the skins from HotR and replaced it with some stupid hat, only to sell this skin in crown store). I worked hard for my vCoS skin and now everyone will be running around in the same skin but different color because they paid for it? What next, recolored vMoL skin next month in crown store?
Skins should be earnable by achievements, not bought for money. That's all.
They both look awful but ZOS isn't the only MMO that reskins. Get used to it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand the backlash. The one for Crowns is not the same as the Achievement Unlock, you can still clearly tell the difference, not to mention this will just make it easy for people to take a look and go "Oh, you paid cash for that instead of running the Dungeon." I mean really, how does this give the finger to the people who unlocked the Achievement? They still technically have a unique Skin to show for it, even if the base textures are the same. No one's going to be walking around wearing an exact replica they bought. You guys will still have your trophies.
But really both of them are butt ugly. They make you look like an abomination out of a Wolfenstein game.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭I think that this new skin look pretty dope on my Argonion (it's preview):
I agree with @ArchMikem , no one will think that you received this skin in vCoS, because it's not the Spiderkith, obviously.
You are not forced to buy this skin If you don't like it and why no one is complaining about crown store horses looking exactly the same as Sorrel Horse for 10k gold only? It's just one cheap time-limited cosmetic thing, don't you have bigger problems?PC/EU2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I've never yet bought a skin. They're all hideous. I'm waiting for a ghost skin and a skin that REMOVES the appearance of vampirism!PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
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This, killing players with this skin in PvP should give fighter guild xp.The nerdrage is strong with this one
--edit - seriously the skin is ugly as sin. Silly people paying money to look ugly. Sillier people raging that they can. So much /facepalm
yes it might be that it looks extra revolting on Khajiit as in beeing dead a very long time.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand the backlash. The one for Crowns is not the same as the Achievement Unlock, you can still clearly tell the difference, not to mention this will just make it easy for people to take a look and go "Oh, you paid cash for that instead of running the Dungeon." I mean really, how does this give the finger to the people who unlocked the Achievement? They still technically have a unique Skin to show for it, even if the base textures are the same. No one's going to be walking around wearing an exact replica they bought. You guys will still have your trophies.
But really both of them are butt ugly. They make you look like an abomination out of a Wolfenstein game.
The backlash is because of hardcore player greed. They must have the nice things, as few as possible people must have the nice things, so that their nice things mean something, both to others and to them. It -must- be exclusive, so they can shove it in your face.0 -
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✭I also bought the skin for my Argonian (he just casually stabbing his hand)
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SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭All of this stuff is cosmetic and voluntary to get or buy. I have no issue with these items being in the crown store, the skins don't even look that similar to me.
What are you reading because that statement is so far off point...
How would you like to run end game content to get cosmetics (which you paid for by purchasing the content), then have someone else be able to pay for a variant of the exact same thing?
For some people the rewards are the incentive for purchasing the DLCs, whereas offering those rewards as a standalone is like spitting on people who paid for more and had to put effort into archiving.
[EDIT]: Honestly I do play this game for fun and I do that by roleplaying with daedric related content and cosmetics, it's all perspective but I know I am not the only one who plays because something "sparks" interest in a certain theme for me when I see "new content" more so at times than others.Edited by SirMewser on August 11, 2017 2:39PM0 -
MNsnowtaTy✭✭✭Just imagine if they did it white with blue eyes, we could create a whole white walker army.
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