ZOS, I do not agree with your marketing practices.

DocFrost72 · August 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

They did not take skins away from HotR, there is still a skin to earn.

Yes, one. Skin from second dungeon will be in Crown Store instead.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/359102/blood-forged-skin-pulled-from-bloodroot-forge/p1

Which is why you don't trust datamining. There was never a promise or official statement that the skin you're mentioning would be achievement based. You may not like that it is in the crown store, and that's fine, but to say they took it out is kinda silly to me.

All of the above has absolutely nothing to do with the skin you seem to have taken interest in (purple veins one), which brings us back to my first comment: you still have your "Look at this badass skin" skin. I'm not being sarcastic, or at least trying not to be.

If they made a reskin of the dwemer sphere, ice wraith, or senche lioness that were loyalty rewards for me and many others I wouldn't bat an eye. But on the day they sell an achievement vanity item one to one on the crown store, I'll agree with you. That isn't what is happening here, though.

Jayne_Doe · August 2017

Is the one on the right the upcoming Ebony Skin? If so, there's a story behind that in the MW expansion, so it's not trying to be a "consolation" skin. It has to do with a specific storyline in MW. (If this is indeed the one I'm thinking of.)

However, it clearly is a reskin, and it would have been nice if they had created something original, rather than just recoloring an existing skin.

But, it's not the first skin that's been in the Crown Store. There was a mind-shriven skin that was available for a limited time not long after the launch of IC (see Crown Store Showcase, October 2, 2015).

Frankly, I don't find any of the skins appealing, so no, "everyone" will NOT be running around in this "copycat" skin, as I for one, won't be. Even if a lot of people do, so what? As others have said, it's just a re-color that someone pays for with crowns, and anyone who knows or cares about such things will know the difference - and most won't care.

LadyNalcarya · August 2017

Elitetownie wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

What can I say? You put recolored vCoS skin into the crown store and you're gonna take money for this (not gonna mention you removed one of the skins from HotR and replaced it with some stupid hat, only to sell this skin in crown store). I worked hard for my vCoS skin and now everyone will be running around in the same skin but different color because they paid for it? What next, recolored vMoL skin next month in crown store?

Skins should be earnable by achievements, not bought for money. That's all.

Beat it. Not all of us want to spend hours doing dumb *** online and would prefer to just buy stuff we like. You know people who have decent jobs and work hard in real life so they can enjoy their hobbies and spend the money they earned. The skin isnt even the same stop crying.

I love when people are bringing jobs and real life into these discussions.
Many mmo players are adults with jobs and familiies.
Also, content is not "dumb ***", its actually more valuable for the game than cash shop skins.

Tan9oSuccka · August 2017

Eh. People will buy it.

Let them.

I know your E-peen will take a hit, but you'll get over it.

SelfTherapy · August 2017

Most people don't have time to farm these dungeons regardless to get some stupid skin. In all honestly i feel like they should just be a crown store item, it's a cosmetic.. who cares.

LadyNalcarya · August 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Eh. People will buy it.

Let them.

I know your E-peen will take a hit, but you'll get over it.

Its not about epeens. I have the dungeon version, but I dont even wear it, because its fugly. I dont like the fact that theyre selling lazy reskins, though. They couldve made an original texture, at least.

BloodWolfe · August 2017

It's ridiculously hideous anyway. It's definitely overpriced but that's nothing new with ZO$ lol.

Vyle_Byte · August 2017

I don't know why this surprises anyone anymore. Keep tryin to hold ZoS to higher standards and keep being disappointed.

Hawco10 · August 2017

Don't think anyone really cares about skins tbh.
I couldn't care less about what skin someone has or hasn't. Even less time thinking where it came from.

Ankael07 · August 2017

Why are there so many people here saying ''its ugly who cares?''. Whats the purpose of commenting on a post that you dont even care? You're wasting everyone's time here.

That being said there is only so much difference they can do for skins that most (if not all) of them will look ''recolored''. The difference between Spiderkith and Ebony Epidermis skin is clearly visible anyway.

overclocker303b14_ESO · August 2017

Disgusting huh?

So here's the thing. Zenimax is a business. At the end of the day they made this game to make money. I really don't think it is that big of a deal (I mean it's a cosmetic skin in a video game and it isn't like they put vMA weapons in the crown store or killed a bunch of baby seals) and that calling their behavior disgusting is a bit much.

If their behavior really bothers you that much then maybe you should find another game. I mean if what they are doing really is disgusting and you are supporting them by playing their game then what does that make you?

Delpi · August 2017

It's ugly as hell. Those who are buying it to hide vampirism.... well... I think that vampirism skin is not as hideous as this lol

Knootewoot · August 2017

Who cares you had this skin by achievement or from real money. Even if the color was the same. I don't give a sheit about my own achievements let alone other people's. It's just a fluff item, a darn skin. Who cares. It's just a game which will eventually shut down. And who has the last laugh then.. the one who got the skin ingame or the one actually paying money for it. Both times it's lost.

Tirps · August 2017

WTB red vMoL skin or green version from amber plasm

Feanor · August 2017

As for the thread title, yes, they are. That has nothing to do with the skin though.

qsnoopyjr · August 2017

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Who cares both are ugly

LMAO

When you compare what kind of costumes and skins in this game to games like GW2

BRAH

Does this game even put any effort into making things look good?

Yes, the game is pretty lazy though, cannot find time to make a new skin, so they reuse an old one and say "NEW" and slap on some crowns. LMAO

Believe I made a thread,
it was called
"If this game wants to be the best ever"

52% of this community says "No, the developers are human, no need for the developers to crank it up to make ESO the best game ever"

You maybe mad about color of the skin, but I'm mad about... Laziness to not make another skin. We all mad about something here.

Vrienda · August 2017

Disagree. Everyone can still tell you 'earned' yours. Let those of us who can't do those achievements have some skins.

Oh and I'd love a reskinned Dro-m'athra skin!

Beardimus · August 2017

100% disagree. Marketing practices are about making money, which is a good thing for the brand and all of us.

It's not the same skin, it's a different color. It doesn't undermine your achievement, what DOES is all the people that scaled the dungeon to get it.....or glitched......

I haven't got the time or team to get HM No Death done for the skins I want so was delighted I could cope out and at least get a skin. Is it the cool bright color no, so yes I still have something to work to.

Zero need for the fist waving tho, and good on Zos that 1200 is a decent price..

runagate · August 2017

Who gets paid to open an image editor and scarcely change the color?!

The laziness is that the crown store content folks probably don't even know what the skin achievement even is, or what it means to those who got it.

The worst thing about the skins is that it lazily overlays all the other crown store modifications.

Tan9oSuccka · August 2017

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Eh. People will buy it.

Let them.

I know your E-peen will take a hit, but you'll get over it.

Its not about epeens. I have the dungeon version, but I dont even wear it, because its fugly. I dont like the fact that theyre selling lazy reskins, though. They couldve made an original texture, at least.

I guess I'm old school. If you don't like it, don't buy it?

You may think it's ugly, but chances are someone will pull up the store today and say "cool!!".

Megabear · August 2017

Ugly + Lazy = No purchase.

PlautisCarvain · August 2017

There's people who want to buy the DLC at 1500 crowns and work hard to get the skin, and people who want to buy it directly and have it.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Cosmetic stuff? I have no problem with it. Skins, beards, polymorphs, costumes, hats, dyes - all of that does the same thing: modifies the character's appearance, without boosting stats.

Pay to lose joke broom? No problem.

Convenience items like research scrolls, soul gems, XP scrolls, horse riding lessons? No problem

Some sort of pay to win magic sword of doom? That would be the only kind of stuff I don't want to see in the crown store.

I would like to see them sell equipment sets in the store. Im tired of farming. And before anyone goes all pay2win on me. Explain to me how farming gear is any different then farming xp to level. Running the same content over and over trying to get an item/level. They are exactly the same. And they already sell xp Scrolls. Sooo...Im just paying for convenience.

Rungar · August 2017

dude, if they don't get to eat, you don't get to play.

this is a free to play game and they have to make money somewhere.

Be thankful they aren't trying to sell you gear or levels or force a subscription on you.

I think they are handling it very wisely and offer the most options possible.

Sallington · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Cosmetic stuff? I have no problem with it. Skins, beards, polymorphs, costumes, hats, dyes - all of that does the same thing: modifies the character's appearance, without boosting stats.

Pay to lose joke broom? No problem.

Convenience items like research scrolls, soul gems, XP scrolls, horse riding lessons? No problem

Some sort of pay to win magic sword of doom? That would be the only kind of stuff I don't want to see in the crown store.

The problem is they barely rewarded us from playing the game to start with, and now they are rewarding us even less than that by walling things behind the crown store.

Perfect example is mounts. Same 3 houses available in-game since launch. Not 1 available through any type of achievement.

Skins? Not available until SotH, and they're basically putting a fork in that by now putting them in the crown store.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2017

Sallington wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Cosmetic stuff? I have no problem with it. Skins, beards, polymorphs, costumes, hats, dyes - all of that does the same thing: modifies the character's appearance, without boosting stats.

Pay to lose joke broom? No problem.

Convenience items like research scrolls, soul gems, XP scrolls, horse riding lessons? No problem

Some sort of pay to win magic sword of doom? That would be the only kind of stuff I don't want to see in the crown store.

The problem is they barely rewarded us from playing the game to start with, and now they are rewarding us even less than that by walling things behind the crown store.

Perfect example is mounts. Same 3 houses available in-game since launch. Not 1 available through any type of achievement.

Skins? Not available until SotH, and they're basically putting a fork in that by now putting them in the crown store.

This is a long term complaint of mine. They game lacks any sort of reward for playing. There is basically story and grind gear. There is no goal to work towards. Sure I can farm keys and hope random loot drops for me. But that isn't a goal that keeps me coming back.

Ive long been in favor of a token system of some sort on different activities, to give people something to work towards that doesn't involve dumb luck. Something that I can track and say to myself, hey in 5 days I get that new pet or shiny hat.

qsnoopyjr · August 2017

Oh I'd pay if they made good costumes/skins
Even if its the same skin... But effort put into it. No I dont consider changing color effort. Effort I'm talking about is putting more stuff onto it or removing stuff on it. Like spikes, or a different face, or getting rid of all those lines making it look old... so it looks young instead.

I'll change that color myself, hold my drink. While I do work.
Ctrl A. edit. color. color spectrum. drag to purple. Apply. Save As. New Crown Store Skin!!! Checkmark box allowing it to be in game. Apply. Close.
Gimme back my drink.
I'd like a 5% royalty fee on this, thanks very much.

HARD WORK
Yeeeeah

snakester320 · August 2017

Crown crates are scamming money off players like crazy .. typical ZOS if there's money to be made off stupid ppl there going to do anything!!
The skins are just another money making scam move along!!

Mojmir · August 2017

Rungar wrote: »

dude, if they don't get to eat, you don't get to play.

this is a free to play game and they have to make money somewhere.

Be thankful they aren't trying to sell you gear or levels or force a subscription on you.

I think they are handling it very wisely and offer the most options possible.

Buy 2 play
Crafting bag pretty much sums up your second point
Disagree entirely with your 3rd point

snakester320 · August 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Cosmetic stuff? I have no problem with it. Skins, beards, polymorphs, costumes, hats, dyes - all of that does the same thing: modifies the character's appearance, without boosting stats.

Pay to lose joke broom? No problem.

Convenience items like research scrolls, soul gems, XP scrolls, horse riding lessons? No problem

Some sort of pay to win magic sword of doom? That would be the only kind of stuff I don't want to see in the crown store.

The problem is they barely rewarded us from playing the game to start with, and now they are rewarding us even less than that by walling things behind the crown store.

Perfect example is mounts. Same 3 houses available in-game since launch. Not 1 available through any type of achievement.

Skins? Not available until SotH, and they're basically putting a fork in that by now putting them in the crown store.

This is a long term complaint of mine. They game lacks any sort of reward for playing. There is basically story and grind gear. There is no goal to work towards. Sure I can farm keys and hope random loot drops for me. But that isn't a goal that keeps me coming back.

Ive long been in favor of a token system of some sort on different activities, to give people something to work towards that doesn't involve dumb luck. Something that I can track and say to myself, hey in 5 days I get that new pet or shiny hat.

They can't sell crap that's earned in game that's why it's getting less and less .. why make you grind weeks and months for something when they can slam it in the crowns store for 2k-5k crowns and rub there hands together watching the sales tick over from idiots!!