Alternative to War Horn for tanks?

Minyassa · August 2017

I've been looking at tank builds and I need a replacement Ultimate for War Horn. Since that's a PvP skill that ain't gonna happen for me, so what's the next best thing? What do the other carebears use?

Edited later to add: I've gotten the answer I needed and now know that I will not be able to play group-finder content without Warhorn so thank you all for telling me that, I will just not be tanking public groups.

Morgul667 · August 2017

tank key job is to buff teammates and debuff ennemy so aggressive horn quite important part of the tank set

SirCritical · August 2017

PvP or not, you'll have to have Warhorn one day. You can use S&B ulti, Warden healing and defensive ultis, DK banner, NB Veil, templar Nova, but these aren't real replacements, Warhorn is needed in the current setup of groups.

Mazbt · August 2017

Even the "care bears" are pvping until they get war horn on their tanks. really important for raid buffing. My guild helped a very anti pvp guy get that and vigor for their tank. For a dungeon resto ulti might be an okay alternative but i think it hits like one person. Obviously in a raid would be useless but war horn hits everyone in radius.

Minyassa · August 2017

Great. Thanks, ZOS. I guess I won't be playing a tank.

Thank you all for your time and input! Very appreciated.

Curragraigue · August 2017

If you just want to do non-DLC Vet Dungeons you can get away with not having Warhorn. If you want to do Trials and the DLC Dungeons you are doing a disservice to your group not to have Warhorn. It does not take long to get in PvP now. If you follow a zerg and AoE to tag enemies or leach from friendlies with heals then you should have it with just a few hours in peak time if your Alliance is doing well.

Everstorm · August 2017

Minyassa wrote: »

Great. Thanks, ZOS. I guess I won't be playing a tank.

Thank you all for your time and input! Very appreciated.

Speaking as someone who doesn't care for PvP: it's not half as bad/annoying/timeconsuming as you think it is. Join the zerg, be present when keeps and stuff are conquered and you'll be done in two-three evenings. You don't have to be good, you don't even need to win a single fight.

leepalmer95 · August 2017

Warhorn takes a few hours just by running around healing a zerg and taking keeps.

Khenarthi · August 2017

Well this Carebear only has Warhorn on the one character that does not need it (still trying to adapt to Morrowind tanking changes on my Magblade, so I won't take it to veteran dungeons any time soon).

Good alternatives are the Sword+Shield ulti, and a few of the class ultis as well. Just don't transform into a werewolf in front of the bosses.

Morgul667 · August 2017

This horn is very easy to get. Few hours of protection a keep or following a zerg.

You will also get a few skill points.

An alternative would be the DK standard ultimate but meh

kylewwefan · August 2017

Warhorn isn't that bad to get and if you pug a lot it's worth getting Barrier and Vigor as well.

Like said, follow a Zerg around. Heck put out a LFG and group up. Run around buffing up the Zerg with igneous or throw on a resto staff. Choking talons also helps the group out a bit.

Use all the AP you get for wall and door repair kits. Become a Cyrodil stone mason for a day.

It's worth getting. Totally worth getting. And you'll get a few skill points as well.

Far easier to get than meteor IMO. At least on console.

Vaoh · August 2017

@Minyassa Why give up on tanking like this? You're basically telling yourself that you have to avoid PvP no matter the cost......

War Horn is only necessary in trials. You don't actually need it outside of those. Get in PvP, earn a bit of AP, and you can leave Cyrodiil forever. You'll be happy once you get it! If you are gonna quit tanking because of this then I'm not sure you were really that interested in it in the first place

It truly won't take you that long to get.

Merlin13KAGL · August 2017

Minyassa wrote: »

I've been looking at tank builds and I need a replacement Ultimate for War Horn. Since that's a PvP skill that ain't gonna happen for me, so what's the next best thing? What do the other carebears use?

Hugs...mostly hugs.

"Carebear...tank" (Gonna take a minute to wrap my head around that one.)

Seriously, it does not take as much PvP as you'd think to unlock warhorn. Run with a group, capture some resources, repair some walls. You don't ever have to actually engage anyone, necessarily.

Reverb · August 2017

If you want to be an end game tank, war horn is essential. If you're only interested in tanking dungeons and overland stuff, run whatever ultimate you want.

buttaface · August 2017

Minyassa wrote: »

Great. Thanks, ZOS. I guess I won't be playing a tank.
Thank you all for your time and input! Very appreciated.

Warhorn... massively overrated skill other than in large group content or experienced, premade 4 man. Once you get to a point that you need it, there should be at least a few people who will take you to Cyrodiil for a couple hours and get it. If you don't do trials and do lots of pug, there are many better ults. Warhorn is almost always a mistake in a four man dungeon finder pug for example. Buffed 5k DPS is still crap DPS. As far as which ones, almost any cheaper 150ult AOE ults that do damage or cc or preferably both are better.

Take forum "knowledge" with a grain of salt in this or any other game, mine included. Try various ults out on low normal dungeons pugging and go from there. IF you do want to pug top trials, then yeah, you need WH and as others say it isn't that bad to get. There's only two tank slots in a raid, btw, and those are usually already taken. 90%+of the tanking you will be doing is in four man pug, WB, etc., not trials, in all likelihood.

code65536 · August 2017

You can get War Horn in under an hour without really doing any PvP. But yes, it's pretty much a must-have for both tanks and healers.

Narvuntien · August 2017

All i am hearing here is that warhorn needs a nerf.

For now i am using nova...combined with shadowrend i end up with major and minor maim. To reduce damage instead amp group damage.

I have only just finished the quests with them so i haven't gone cryodil with them yet. Need to craft some kragnacs hope and be a rezz bot.

idk · August 2017

It's so easy and fast to get WH. It's so easy that someone who cannot be bothered to get it is probably not going to be the go to tank in any guild.

TheStealthDude · August 2017

I think it's important that you distinguish what type of tanking you are doing:

If you aren't doing trials, you can tank just fine without Warhorn in dungeons. Most PUGs don't even get much out of it, in my experience. Don't let the costs of getting "the best build" keep you from doing ANY content in the tanking role.

If you are doing organized group play, then it will likely be a requirement as it's so much more effective in an organized trial group, as opposed to a 4 man dungeon, and by far the best-in-slot for a tank ultimate in that situation.

paulsimonps · August 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

All i am hearing here is that warhorn needs a nerf.

For now i am using nova...combined with shadowrend i end up with major and minor maim. To reduce damage instead amp group damage.

I have only just finished the quests with them so i haven't gone cryodil with them yet. Need to craft some kragnacs hope and be a rezz bot.

@Narvuntien
It does not really need a nerf. Warhorn is for increasing damage, which there really isn't any other ultimate that does. Nova, Veil of Blades, Barrier, Permafrost, Negate, Magma Shell and Remembrance are all defensive ultimate's. They have their place, they are also used, nerfing Warhorn would not make it so that people won't use it. It would just nerf it for no reason. Its purpose is different from the other supportive ultimate's.

Brrrofski · August 2017

If you want to do 4 man content, you do not need warhorn. As far as pugging dungeons, just use whatever to make your life easier. Syncing warhorn with randoms' ults is never really gonna happen. Them having a good build and crit to take advantage of warhorn can often not happen too. It can get water quite a lot.

Sword and board ult, veil of blades, standard, magma armor, nova, templar ult heal, warden ice ult, warden tree up, negate etc. Just good damage mitigation or healing ults. In pugs they can actually help a lot.

QuebraRegra · August 2017

I might be wrong, but I usually put aggressive warhorn on one o' my healer bars to help out.

I'm a healer, it it wrong to run this buff?

Brrrofski · August 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I might be wrong, but I usually put aggressive warhorn on one o' my healer bars to help out.

I'm a healer, it it wrong to run this buff?

Nope, it's the ideal thing to run. Again though, only in a communicating group. Dps 1 drops ult without telling, you warhorn 5 seconds in, tank warhorn 10 seconds later, do 2 drops hit ult 30 seconds later. Wastes a lot of damage.

In organised group, run it. In pugs, run something that helps you or just something to help with damage.

QuebraRegra · August 2017

Brrrofski wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I might be wrong, but I usually put aggressive warhorn on one o' my healer bars to help out.

I'm a healer, it it wrong to run this buff?

Nope, it's the ideal thing to run. Again though, only in a communicating group. Dps 1 drops ult without telling, you warhorn 5 seconds in, tank warhorn 10 seconds later, do 2 drops hit ult 30 seconds later. Wastes a lot of damage.

In organised group, run it. In pugs, run something that helps you or just something to help with damage.

yeah, I'll swap it out if I see the tank actually running it in PUGs.

Thanx for the context, will do.

ekaploe · August 2017

I never heard the term "carebear," but I am a serious PVE player, and do not like PVP really at all. I am also a release day player and my first toon was/is a tank. I muscled through PVP to get AWH. It is essential for end-game content. Healers will run it also, but it is expected that the tank have it because your job is to cc, debuff bosses/adds, and buff allies. There is no replacement in the current meta, especially given the resource issues.

Minyassa · August 2017

I appreciate the encouragement attempts, it's very nice of people to take the time. But what I see here is that if I want to do endgame content I need to pick a different role than tank. I was interested in it, but not to the extent that I am willing to do any amount of PvP for it. It's not the mechanics of PvP that bother me, it's PvPers that I have been exposed to. I am just not up to tolerating any amount of bullying, and while I realize that jerks can happen in PvE as well, I have personal experience to tell me that my chances of encountering it are almost 100% in a PvP area vs. very rarely in PvE. Basically people being utterly crappy to me in PvP ruined it for me forever, so I'll just keep working on DPS and healing. Again, thanks for the effort. Too bad you folks weren't the ones I ran into when I tried PvP and got an impression to last a lifetime.

Liofa · August 2017

Minyassa wrote: »

I appreciate the encouragement attempts, it's very nice of people to take the time. But what I see here is that if I want to do endgame content I need to pick a different role than tank. I was interested in it, but not to the extent that I am willing to do any amount of PvP for it. It's not the mechanics of PvP that bother me, it's PvPers that I have been exposed to. I am just not up to tolerating any amount of bullying, and while I realize that jerks can happen in PvE as well, I have personal experience to tell me that my chances of encountering it are almost 100% in a PvP area vs. very rarely in PvE. Basically people being utterly crappy to me in PvP ruined it for me forever, so I'll just keep working on DPS and healing. Again, thanks for the effort. Too bad you folks weren't the ones I ran into when I tried PvP and got an impression to last a lifetime.

Sorry to inform you but you still need to do PvP as a DD or healer . Healers should be using Warhorn as well . Stamina DDs need Caltrops . Magicka and Stamina DDs also need Purge from Support tree for certain mechanics . Whatever role you pick , you will have to do PvP to get the most of your character .

Minyassa · August 2017

Liofa wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

I appreciate the encouragement attempts, it's very nice of people to take the time. But what I see here is that if I want to do endgame content I need to pick a different role than tank. I was interested in it, but not to the extent that I am willing to do any amount of PvP for it. It's not the mechanics of PvP that bother me, it's PvPers that I have been exposed to. I am just not up to tolerating any amount of bullying, and while I realize that jerks can happen in PvE as well, I have personal experience to tell me that my chances of encountering it are almost 100% in a PvP area vs. very rarely in PvE. Basically people being utterly crappy to me in PvP ruined it for me forever, so I'll just keep working on DPS and healing. Again, thanks for the effort. Too bad you folks weren't the ones I ran into when I tried PvP and got an impression to last a lifetime.

Sorry to inform you but you still need to do PvP as a DD or healer . Healers should be using Warhorn as well . Stamina DDs need Caltrops . Magicka and Stamina DDs also need Purge from Support tree for certain mechanics . Whatever role you pick , you will have to do PvP to get the most of your character .

Thankfully I have found some endgame builds at Deltias Gaming, which I have been told is pretty solid, that do not require PvP skills.

paulsimonps · August 2017

Wow. Completely changes roles cause you can't do 2hs worth of PvP? Even if you never kill someone its so easy to get Ap enough for Warhorn.

I mean remorphing stuff and leveling new skill lines will take far longer. Getting new gear..... Much more effort in that..... So weird....

You can turn of chat and stuff you know. Ignore everyone in there and just follow the zerg.

Brrrofski · August 2017

There's no bullying in PvP unless you bring attention to yourself.

My name has not been entered in chat once in PvP. I just turn up, do my thing.

Getting the skills you need it easy. You can just go into PvP, type LFG and follow a brainless group around. It might be slow and boring, but it's not hard and there certainly won't be any bullying.

The only toxicity I see in PvP is people going back and forth. Most of them welcome it. You can easilly remain anonymous if you want.

Betsararie · August 2017

War Horn is a must for tanks.

Join and group and get repairing.