Will ESO "die" when Elder Scrolls 6 will come out?

zaria · August 2017

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Will we be able to play with our characters, without losing our progression etc that we had on PS4 on the next generation of console (if ESO go on the next generation)

Unknown but I don't think it will be an new generation break as in PS3 to PS4.
Mac, PC, Xbox and PS uses the same architecture and its the only one who focus on performance gaming.
As I wrote above consoles will probably follow the pc path there you can run old games but not all new games can be run on old systems.

Elsonso · August 2017

Swifigames wrote: »

There's no proof that measures Bethesda not working on TES:VI. If we take what Todd Howard said in 2016 confirming that VI isn't even being worked on and that there will be two other projects in the works that will be revealed before we see information on TES:VI, remember that was in 2016 and TES:VI could have hit development the next day, though that is speculation, it's not impossible and would have bought some time.

Well, he also said in February that TES 6 was not being worked on. Yes, they could have started working on it the next day, and he hasn't repeated himself since then. But, as BGS has not rolled out any games since Fallout 4, it is a pretty good bet that TES 6 is not currently in development, even today.

Swifigames wrote: »

The release dates for the past three TES titles have been; Morrowind (May 1, 2002), Oblivion (March 20, 2006), Skyrim (November 11, 2011). That puts 4 years between Morrowind and Oblivion and 5 years between Oblivion and Skyrim. It's also not completely unknown to Bethesda to pull a surprise or two out of their hats Seeing this is currently a six year lapse since the release of Skyrim and the fact that Bethesda likes the shock and awe approach, could we see TES:VI this Christmas?

No. At this point, I think it is pretty clear that it will be at least a decade between Skyrim and TES 6. This is just based on what they have said, along with how long it takes BGS to actually make a game.

There is currently a 3 or 4 year gap between games from BGS. Skyrim came out in 2011. That means that, if nothing changes, TES 6 will be the 4th game from BGS following Skyrim. It will be in the range of 12 to 16 years until TES 6. Now, I shaved 2 years off of the low end to account for a larger studio and the possibility that these two other games are smaller than Fallout 4. We can extend the upper range, as well, due to increased complexity of the games and whatever they have to develop for the new IP. In any case, TES 6 will not be before 2021, and probably won't be in 2021. It is more likely starting in 2023, and will almost certainly be out before 2029.

The longer we go without hearing about BGS Game One, the longer it will be before TES 6 comes out.

Flynch · August 2017

If they do invest the time in Tes6 then it'll likely be followed by an absolute ton of cross-promotion for ESO. The launch of a new game in the franchise would simply make ESO stronger, not weaker. Not sure why people would think otherwise.

Honestly though, I think Beth is better off leaving the franchise well alone now, and introducing a new IP to keep the SP RPGs relevant and fresh.

edit: typo

Darlgon · August 2017

Swifigames wrote: »

There's no proof that measures Bethesda not working on TES:VI.

Lets just stop you right there.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bethesda-e3-2017-exec-explains-why-elder-scrolls-6/1100-6450988/

Bethesda Exec Pete Hines wrote:

from June 15, 2017

Speaking to GameSpot today, Bethesda marketing boss Pete Hines gave us more insight into why the game isn't coming soon, and why that might be in the best interest of the game and the people making it.

But first, he confirmed yet again that the game will happen ... someday. As of "The Elder Scrolls VI will eventually be made," Hines said. "It is multiple big releases down the plan for those folks [at Bethesda Game Studios]."

...

Hines told GameSpot today that Howard's team wanted to "work on some other stuff and do some other things" after releasing Fallout 4, which has surpassed Skyrim to become Bethesda's most successful game ever. He added that Bethesda Game Studios did not want to be known as a developer that only made Elder Scrolls and Fallout games.

"Quite honestly, they didn't want to be the developer that was just Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Fallout for the rest of their development careers," Hines said. "And you've got a lot of people in that studio who have been there for a really long time. They wanted to be able to self-determine things they worked on next, whether it was existing stuff whether it was new IP.

"And I think Todd and his team have earned the right, given the quality of this stuff, to be able to say, 'We know everybody really wants Elder Scrolls VI, but we as creative people want to be able to do stuff tat we're really passionate about.' And I think once you see how the next two titles come out and then how Elder Scrolls 6 ties into what those games are doing and about, I think it'll all make sense. But I think it's going to be a while before all those things happen."

PlautisCarvain · August 2017

Keep_Door wrote: »

Is it going to be an MMO ?

If your answer is no then so is mine.

I HOPE not. Maybe 99% it will not be an MMO or it will kill the franchise and no one will play anymore

Elsonso · August 2017

zaria wrote: »

I would make FO:O more of an shooter but in an MMO environment, you target is the FPS players wanting the deeper MMO gameplay. Personally I would not be very interested in FO:O, probably also the majority of the current ESO players. The FPS marked is 10x larger.

This is going to sound cynical, but when setting expectations, it is critical to keep this in mind. ZOS has a track record of being "average" and leaving ideas on the table. In short, ZOS has attained the rank of being a company that makes a fun and successful, yet disappointing, game. It is disappointing because it never quite reaches full potential, but we can see that potential.

Any Fallout Online game that they make will have the proper look and feel, such that no one would even think it is not Fallout. I expect that it will even have an active real-time HUD targeting system (VATS, but with no time effects). It will look like a shooter from the outside. It will not act like a shooter. This will disappoint the shooter fans, but not the Fallout fans. It will be a niche game, like ESO, that is fun and successful, yet disappointing. Again, disappointing because we can see the potential for the game, but the potential is not delivered.

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Keep_Door wrote: »

Is it going to be an MMO ?

If your answer is no then so is mine.

I HOPE not. Maybe 99% it will not be an MMO or it will kill the franchise and no one will play anymore

I expect that TES 6 will be a full VR single player game. Fallout 4 VR is the technology prototype for Bethesda Game Studios, and is likely why they say that the technology isn't there for TES 6, yet.

I expect that ZOS will also include VR into their MMO engine, but whether this is ZOS Next (presumably Fallout Online) or later, who knows. I would love to see that retrofitted into ESO, but I think that ZOS is going to rewrite their MMO engine to eliminate mistakes that they made with ESO. It is unlikely that ESO will benefit much from that rewrite. ESO seems to be settling into maintenance mode, as far as the MMO engine is concerned.

Davor · August 2017

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

The game will only die when the devs stop supporting it.

You mean they are supporting the game now? With all the issues the people are having it seems Zenimax is not supporting anything lol.

Yeah I know lol blow just in one of those moods I woke up to sadly.

Defilted · August 2017

I will play TES 6 but will not stop playing ESO.

Malamar1229 · August 2017

Single player game Vs MMO

generalmyrick · August 2017

Apherius wrote: »

This depend ,if it's a elder scrolls about argonian i will just keep playing eso .

i did that with battlefield...i was insanely addicted to the game until they come out with a ww1 version...ummmm, no....i'll pass.

ookami007 · August 2017

Considering that won't be for at least 4 more years (probably more), ESO may be dead before then.

SSlarg · August 2017

I despise these threads....

Merlin13KAGL · August 2017

Will threads like this die when *enter the event of your choosing*

Let me save you a lot of time:

There will be people that will play regardless of the state of the game, so long as ZoS continues to pay the utility bill.

McDonald's has yet to go bankrupt...and it's not because they make an awesome cheeseburger.

Doctordarkspawn · August 2017

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

As i have said before, ESO life will depend solely on the technology route they decide to take.

Windows 7 leaves extended support in Jan of 2020, and much like when Windows Vista support expired, GPU vendors dropped support for DX10. When Windows 7 leaves extended support, vendors (AMD and Nvidia) will EOL Direct X 11 as well (Meaning no new driver updates to optimize or fix any issues with DX 11) Microsoft will also stop updating it.

Comapring ESO to WOW is simply unfair because WOW is not on consoles. The majority of ESO playerbase is on consoles, WOW is a PC only game.

Around 2020 or so you will probably see the next gen of consoles and there is zero gurantees they will be backwards compatible....API's change, hardware and software progresses, things are made obsolete and new things take their place. porting is not always so simple.

I'd like to see ESO be ported to DirectX 12 or OpenGL Vulcan as that would pretty much guarantee the game would take very little to port next gen as thats what those consoles will most likely be using...no wya Microsoft leaves even a shred of the DX 11 api on the next gen of consoles...they want to get away from that completely, and Sony has embraced OpenGL Vulcan big time and literlaly wants to build their next console around it.

TES6 will be its own thing independently. They started working on it a long time ago, don't let Hines fool you. Its just not done yet, and they don't want to announce anything until its close to release. They are changing a lot on their game engine. They are in no rush, they know exactly what they want the game to be. It will come in time.

Honestly, I don't think you will see TES6 until the next console gen, I think that has been the plan all along.

So if ESO goes from 2014-2021 thats a pretty good run for a game that was in development from 2007 till 2013.

If you know the history of Bethesda, Pete Hines, etc...nothing lasts forever...at some point they will feel they have hit a wall creatively where they can no longer push and convey the world they want with the engine ESO has, when that day comes, they will move on the next chapter.

ESO won't go one forever like WOW has...thats not Bethesda/Zenimax media MO...pay attention to what Hines says "they go for quality NOT quantity". When they feel ESO is too dated technologically, they will move on to the next project just like the always do.

PS: I fully believe ZOS has been working on Fallout Online since at least late 2015....Bethesda Corporate(Zenimax Media) hired ZOS to be their MMO shop....its make 100% sense to make a Fallout Online considering Bethesda/Zenimax sued and fought Interplay in court to prevent them from making an Fallout MMO...you don't do that unless you have future plans for a Fallout MMO.

Fallout OInline will most likely replace ESO at some point in the future as I don't see them running two MMO's at the same time, and there is far too much money on the table for them not to make a MMO based in the Fallout Universe....i'd totally buy and play Fallout Online when it comes out....about 40 million other folks would too...

What you dont seem to take into account is that A, the game isn't doing well under mismanagement -now-, and B, that they might not be able to upscale things to direct x 12 without breaking the game.

The scale up to dx 11 heralded many performance issues for the game as a whole. In addition to kicking plenty of people off legacy hardware. If the next update is just as turbulant, ESO will be dead in the water. It allready runs worse, and has less server stability, then most other MMO's I've seen.

This game still has a CPU bottleneck that makes it almost unplayable on AMD CPU's. Think about that.

ESO's days are numbered. The current dev clearly does not comprehend what the playerbase actually wants, and isn't going to be able to provide in the short term for ZOS to worry about life support.

Mazbt · August 2017

There is so many assumptions....unless the single player elder scrolls devs say straight up ES6 is coming at this specific date, at this time, and it's going to be called so and so then I am just going to assume it will never come.

RinaldoGandolphi · August 2017

Mazbt wrote: »

There is so many assumptions....unless the single player elder scrolls devs say straight up ES6 is coming at this specific date, at this time, and it's going to be called so and so then I am just going to assume it will never come.

The following memo was leaked in 2014. Many have tried to say its a fake, BUT:

Every single thing on that memo has came to pass and has come true.

Project Boston ended up being Fallout 4 (which takes place in Boston) Memo came out before FO4 was announced.

Fallout:Nuka World ended up being a DLC for Fallout 4 (was not known to exist at the time of this memo)

Then we have "Project Greenheart"

Project Greenheart IS TES6. Greenheart is a city in Valenwood.....since every other item on this leaked memo has come true, this means the memo is in fact real, and the signatures on the bottom was changed to a "pen name" which is not uncommon for folks who work somewhere to conceal their identity tend to do when they leak something.

Soi TES6 has been under production in some manner since at least 2014-2015 and given your looking at 4-5 years between releases... you should see TES6 right around 2019 to 2020 ballpark....considering the rest of the items on this memo ended up being released later on, Project Greenheart(TES6) will come as well.

DMuehlhausen · August 2017

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

The game will see a drop in users, but they will be back. Single player games are finite. I know for instance I'll still log on when TES 6 is out. I just won't be on as much as I am now.

Maybe for you, but me I just wait for ES6 to come out and then I uninstall ESO. The only reason why Bethesda don't work on ES6 is because they know it will eat ESO

Couldn't be more wrong. They aren't even the same Dev teams. Bethesda is working on other projects and have said ES6 is "in development" but don't expect anything playable until like 2020, and even that will probably only be an early Beta.

Mureel · August 2017

Apherius wrote: »

This depend ,if it's a elder scrolls about argonian i will just keep playing eso .

Yeah that's my biggest concern re ES6; the rumours that it's about the lizards.

I remember when the racial passives changed (I've been away from game for a year, just Dling now, to come back) and people were talking about Argonian Templars, Though I main a High Elf Templar, I made an Argonian Templar alt called Looks-Like-Purse on my main account xD just because I'm nuts.

I would absolutely despise a whole game around the Argonians and the area. I erect the spine of Nope, to that.

FakeFox · August 2017

In my opinion most of the people playing ESO because they are waiting for TES 6 are casuals that aren't really relevant for the game anyway. Of course they bring in money, but that's it. I see more people coming over from other MMOs then from Skyrim.

BlackSparrow · August 2017

Mureel wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

This depend ,if it's a elder scrolls about argonian i will just keep playing eso .

Yeah that's my biggest concern re ES6; the rumours that it's about the lizards.

I remember when the racial passives changed (I've been away from game for a year, just Dling now, to come back) and people were talking about Argonian Templars, Though I main a High Elf Templar, I made an Argonian Templar alt called Looks-Like-Purse on my main account xD just because I'm nuts.

I would absolutely despise a whole game around the Argonians and the area. I erect the spine of Nope, to that.

Honestly, that's what I thought when they announced Skyrim. "Ugh, Nords. That's so friggin' boring. I live in a country where it snows half the year; why would I want my escapism to be that way, too!" Suffice to say, I was pleasantly surprised by the game.

That said, the rumors I've heard are Valenwood or Summerset, not Argonia. So we'll see what happens. All I know is that they won't announce it until it's about ready to launch, and then they'll go all out.

As to the original question: it won't kill ESO, but it will be a dry half-year or so. The biggest danger to ESO is the executive board deciding it's not making enough money in the meantime and pulling the plug on their end.

Wifeaggro13 · August 2017

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Considering most of us wait for ES6 to come out, and that almost everyone played Skyrim before, does the release of ES6 will kill the game in your opinion?

there wont be an eso 6 Bethseda found their cow and have set to milking it. they have already stated this was the top of the franchise. quote from matt Frior " elderscrolls on line is ES series 6,7,8,9, etc "

Darlgon · August 2017

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Mazbt wrote: »

There is so many assumptions....unless the single player elder scrolls devs say straight up ES6 is coming at this specific date, at this time, and it's going to be called so and so then I am just going to assume it will never come.

The following memo was leaked in 2014. Many have tried to say its a fake, BUT:

Every single thing on that memo has came to pass and has come true.

Project Boston ended up being Fallout 4 (which takes place in Boston) Memo came out before FO4 was announced.

Fallout:Nuka World ended up being a DLC for Fallout 4 (was not known to exist at the time of this memo)

Then we have "Project Greenheart"

Project Greenheart IS TES6. Greenheart is a city in Valenwood.....since every other item on this leaked memo has come true, this means the memo is in fact real, and the signatures on the bottom was changed to a "pen name" which is not uncommon for folks who work somewhere to conceal their identity tend to do when they leak something.

Soi TES6 has been under production in some manner since at least 2014-2015 and given your looking at 4-5 years between releases... you should see TES6 right around 2019 to 2020 ballpark....considering the rest of the items on this memo ended up being released later on, Project Greenheart(TES6) will come as well.

Thats a METRIC TON of ASSumptions in that one post.

BlackSparrow · August 2017

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Considering most of us wait for ES6 to come out, and that almost everyone played Skyrim before, does the release of ES6 will kill the game in your opinion?

there wont be an eso 6 Bethseda found their cow and have set to milking it. they have already stated this was the top of the franchise. quote from matt Frior " elderscrolls on line is ES series 6,7,8,9, etc "

I don't know the context of this quote but I would hazard a guess to say Matt Firor =/= Bethesda. He's the director of ESO, so of course he's going to hype up ESO, possibly referring to how many places you can go or how long he expects the game to run. Meanwhile, Bethesda would make a lot of money from another single-player TES game, and they know it. There will be a TES6. They just won't announce it until they're ready.

Mureel · August 2017

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

This depend ,if it's a elder scrolls about argonian i will just keep playing eso .

Yeah that's my biggest concern re ES6; the rumours that it's about the lizards.

I remember when the racial passives changed (I've been away from game for a year, just Dling now, to come back) and people were talking about Argonian Templars, Though I main a High Elf Templar, I made an Argonian Templar alt called Looks-Like-Purse on my main account xD just because I'm nuts.

I would absolutely despise a whole game around the Argonians and the area. I erect the spine of Nope, to that.

Honestly, that's what I thought when they announced Skyrim. "Ugh, Nords. That's so friggin' boring. I live in a country where it snows half the year; why would I want my escapism to be that way, too!" Suffice to say, I was pleasantly surprised by the game.

That said, the rumors I've heard are Valenwood or Summerset, not Argonia. So we'll see what happens. All I know is that they won't announce it until it's about ready to launch, and then they'll go all out.

As to the original question: it won't kill ESO, but it will be a dry half-year or so. The biggest danger to ESO is the executive board deciding it's not making enough money in the meantime and pulling the plug on their end.

Yes I agree re Skyrim, but because you've got the Rift and all that area, I was willing to give it a chance and I loved it. I too, done like being in a cold, grey area in game too much.

I literally use the heater in my car on cold but sunny days and pretend it's hot out!

But I still love Morrowind and then Oblivion best because the story lines were just so good.

Asardes · August 2017

Even if a new ESO single player games comes out I won't bother playing it, as I never did bother to play Fallout 4 when it came out. Multiplayer is an order of magnitude more complex, fun and competitive.

DoonerSeraph · August 2017

sevomd69 wrote: »

ESO is the RPG that I have always wished for... so no...I will not be playing "only heavy attack" ES 6...

But since Moron-Wind, heavy attacking is all we do on ESO too

Remag_Div · August 2017

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

The game will see a drop in users, but they will be back. Single player games are finite. I know for instance I'll still log on when TES 6 is out. I just won't be on as much as I am now.

One and done.

Of course the game will see a significant drop the first few weeks or even months after Elder Scrolls VI is released but it for sure won't "kill" this game.

Wifeaggro13 · August 2017

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Considering most of us wait for ES6 to come out, and that almost everyone played Skyrim before, does the release of ES6 will kill the game in your opinion?

there wont be an eso 6 Bethseda found their cow and have set to milking it. they have already stated this was the top of the franchise. quote from matt Frior " elderscrolls on line is ES series 6,7,8,9, etc "

I don't know the context of this quote but I would hazard a guess to say Matt Firor =/= Bethesda. He's the director of ESO, so of course he's going to hype up ESO, possibly referring to how many places you can go or how long he expects the game to run. Meanwhile, Bethesda would make a lot of money from another single-player TES game, and they know it. There will be a TES6. They just won't announce it until they're ready.

Well considering he has been the director of the es franchise was the lead on skyrim and a major stake holder in bethseda. ...... well ill take his word over yours.and if there is another es you will see matt quietly leave eso. That will be a given.

zaria · August 2017

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Mazbt wrote: »

There is so many assumptions....unless the single player elder scrolls devs say straight up ES6 is coming at this specific date, at this time, and it's going to be called so and so then I am just going to assume it will never come.

The following memo was leaked in 2014. Many have tried to say its a fake, BUT:

Every single thing on that memo has came to pass and has come true.

Project Boston ended up being Fallout 4 (which takes place in Boston) Memo came out before FO4 was announced.

Fallout:Nuka World ended up being a DLC for Fallout 4 (was not known to exist at the time of this memo)

Then we have "Project Greenheart"

Project Greenheart IS TES6. Greenheart is a city in Valenwood.....since every other item on this leaked memo has come true, this means the memo is in fact real, and the signatures on the bottom was changed to a "pen name" which is not uncommon for folks who work somewhere to conceal their identity tend to do when they leak something.

Soi TES6 has been under production in some manner since at least 2014-2015 and given your looking at 4-5 years between releases... you should see TES6 right around 2019 to 2020 ballpark....considering the rest of the items on this memo ended up being released later on, Project Greenheart(TES6) will come as well.

Found this article
http://kotaku.com/meet-the-man-who-keeps-making-up-fallout-4-rumors-1580095136
interesting in that it verify the 2014 time-stamp, one year before Fallout 4 announcement.
So he knew of Boston. Probably Nuka world too, even if it could be lucky guess.
He could make up greenheart for added hype but why. Fallout 4 was an great enough coop.

Note that the document itself could well be fake, some sign point towards it like the signature, however he had some good sources.

matt.mailukb16_ESO · August 2017

Skyrim was a single player game, ESO is not Skyrim online, ESO is a massively multiplayer online game, there is no reason to believe that Elder Scrolls 6 with be anything like ESO. They are COMPLETELY different games.
ESO will not die out in the slightest when Elder Scrolls 6 comes out.