Time to balance divines

Kurkikohtaus · June 2017

@Giles.floydub17_ESO oh my goodness my friend, I agree! There is hope for the two of us yet. But so true, your breakdown of the traits is spot on and I also use a mixture of them all across roles.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

techprince wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Armor Traits :
Divine trait is fine as it.
Prosperous trait should be buffed to affect all the gold gained via quests, killing, selling to merchant etc.
Impenetrable trait could use a buff.
Infused trait could use a buff.
Nirnhoned being a rare trait needs to reduce all damage in %.
Reinforced is fine as it is.
Sturdy is fine as it is.
Training should be buffed to affect all the exp gained via quests, killing monsters and crafting.
Well-Fitted is fine as it is.

Weapon Traits :
Charged is fine as it is.
Defending is fine as it is.
Infused could use a buff.
Nirnhoned being a rare trait needs to increase all damage by %.
Powered is fine as it is.
Precise is fine as it is.
Sharpened is fine as it is.
Training should be buffed to affect all the exp gained via quests, killing monsters and crafting.
Decisive needs to be buffed drastically to even be a viable alternative to Infused or Defending.

Uh... what?

Do you even know what you are talking about?

Yes i know what i am talking about. The question is, do YOU?

You sure?

Your list is saying something else...

F7sus4 · June 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Thing is,

Tank, BIS Divines
Healer BIS Divines
DPS BIS Divines

You have other traits yet all YOU want is Divines.

No. You don't. Unless you go advanced stupid.

Cage_Lizardman · June 2017

Make prosperous have a 5% or so chance to drop double loot from bosses, so you have a slightly better chance at that BiS Staff of Metapotence. You'll see more people running trials in prosperous than divine.

Rowjoh · June 2017

Divines is just fine.

Well-Fitted and Sturdy are good.

Impenetrable is PVP only and very useful. (it's redundant in PVE as monsters/enemies don't crit).

Reinforced and infused need a little boost or an additional benefit.

Nirnhoned is the worse trait in the game. The rare drop rate and expense is utterly disproportionate to the meagre benefit. Needs to be buffed back up or replaced with something useful.

Prosperous and Training are great for levelling but next to useless at level cap, so why not introduce replacement traits or improved versions for end-game players...

Most of the weapon traits need to be seriously looked at and improved to give us more interesting and better alternatives to Sharpened.

End of.

TheValar85 · June 2017

I have a better idea, Nerf Dragon Knights.

techprince · June 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Armor Traits :
Divine trait is fine as it.
Prosperous trait should be buffed to affect all the gold gained via quests, killing, selling to merchant etc.
Impenetrable trait could use a buff.
Infused trait could use a buff.
Nirnhoned being a rare trait needs to reduce all damage in %.
Reinforced is fine as it is.
Sturdy is fine as it is.
Training should be buffed to affect all the exp gained via quests, killing monsters and crafting.
Well-Fitted is fine as it is.

Weapon Traits :
Charged is fine as it is.
Defending is fine as it is.
Infused could use a buff.
Nirnhoned being a rare trait needs to increase all damage by %.
Powered is fine as it is.
Precise is fine as it is.
Sharpened is fine as it is.
Training should be buffed to affect all the exp gained via quests, killing monsters and crafting.
Decisive needs to be buffed drastically to even be a viable alternative to Infused or Defending.

Uh... what?

Do you even know what you are talking about?

Yes i know what i am talking about. The question is, do YOU?

You sure?

Your list is saying something else...

Whats "something else" in it?

Dubhliam wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Armor Traits :
Divine trait is fine as it.
Prosperous trait should be buffed to affect all the gold gained via quests, killing, selling to merchant etc.
Impenetrable trait could use a buff.
Infused trait could use a buff.
Nirnhoned being a rare trait needs to reduce all damage in %.
Reinforced is fine as it is.
Sturdy is fine as it is.
Training should be buffed to affect all the exp gained via quests, killing monsters and crafting.
Well-Fitted is fine as it is.

Weapon Traits :
Charged is fine as it is.
Defending is fine as it is.
Infused could use a buff.
Nirnhoned being a rare trait needs to increase all damage by %.
Powered is fine as it is.
Precise is fine as it is.
Sharpened is fine as it is.
Training should be buffed to affect all the exp gained via quests, killing monsters and crafting.
Decisive needs to be buffed drastically to even be a viable alternative to Infused or Defending.

Uh... what?

Do you even know what you are talking about?

Yes i do, do YOU?

Resistances already work on percentage base.
Meaning when something gives you 3300 physical resist, you will be receiving around 5% less damage from physical attacks.

The only difference between resistances and other kinds of % based damage reduction is that resistances lose value once stacked over the maximum value of resistance (around 33k). Unique resistances such as The Nord passive resist an additional percentage of damage, after the resistance percentage reduction has already been applied.

Also... Infused weapon trait could use a buff?
Impen could use a buff??!
Sharpened is fine as it is??!!!

Just... no comment.

Yes they do, but the only ones reaching the cap are the tanks. If you didnt see, they apply the same logic of traits in both weapon and armor parts. If nirnhoned increases % damage then it will decrease % damage on armor as well. So what i posted, actually makes sense (apparently not to you).

Infused is getting compared with defending. You are giving away your mitigation for proc uptime as enchantment increase isnt high enough. So it can actually use a buff of 5-10% enchantment increase.
Impen isnt enough. If you DO pvp, you will understand.
Sharpened is overshadowing other traits because other traits does not give enough DPS to compensate for the dps loss. This means other traits needs to be buffed.

So yes, you have no idea what i am talking about.

You got it the other way around.
Nirnhoned weapons don't give % damage, but a fixed amount of Weapon/Spell damage proportional to the level of the weapon.
Nirnhoned armor gives a % mitigation since all resistances are % based.

Yes, you are right.
I have no idea what you are talking about.

/faceplam. I am talking in the relation of the proposed changes, not in their current state. So obviously, you have no idea.

qsnoopyjr · June 2017

Trust me,

I already know you guys are going for Divines first because it does all.

AFTER you get divines, you will consider impen or reinforced or infused.

Everyone on the forums know impen is useless in pve, idk why yall gotta stress that so much. Its pretty much useless compared to divines anyways.

You can rant about how you think tanks and healers use other traits, but its all about what you are using because your rants about what you think about others are just your thoughts, not facts.

Karmanorway · June 2017

I find prosperous and training trait to be a good combo for gold farming though

idk · June 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Trust me,

I already know you guys are going for Divines first because it does all.

AFTER you get divines, you will consider impen or reinforced or infused.

Everyone on the forums know impen is useless in pve, idk why yall gotta stress that so much. Its pretty much useless compared to divines anyways.

You can rant about how you think tanks and healers use other traits, but its all about what you are using because your rants about what you think about others are just your thoughts, not facts.

@qsnoopyjr

All your doing is demonstrating your lack if knowledge of the game.

Case in point, I don't go for divines first as it's pretty much useless for a tank.

Further, divines is a bad choice for most PvP builds so stating inpen useless in PvE is meaningless.

You can rant all you want about this, which is all your doing, but to look at traits from your own limited experience is ignorant.

josiahva · June 2017

The traits are fine the way they are, I would actually like to see MORE traits. Every single trait has its uses, and I have used every single one from time to time. If anything other traits like prosperous and training need a buff or change so people actually consider using them more. Aside from training and prosperous, all the other traits already see plenty of use. I have one toon I specifically went 7 infused over divines. Nirnhoned is particularly useful on small armor pieces...or used to be anyway, I havent touched nirnhoned in about a year now, but only because I cant ever find drop sets in the trait.

UrbanMonk · June 2017

Your thread Says- Balance and then inside you talk about downgrading Divine and buffing other traits. How's this balance?

out51d3r · June 2017

When you have a one dimensional build that only cares about one thing(ie end game pve builds), there will ALWAYS be a bis trait. If they buff infused or nirnhoned, they won't really become "options" if all you care about is spewing damage out. One of them will just become the new bis. They will look like reasonable options at first, then the meta will coalesce and people will start building in a way that makes one of them slightly better than the others, then we will be back here asking for that trait to be nerfed.

The overspecialization aspect of endgame pve is what creates the bis problem.

Dagoth_Rac · June 2017

Divines seems OK. It is best-in-slot for PvE DPS, but only by a little. There is always going to be a best option for PvE DPS. And I would rather have it be something like Divines, where it is split into 7 pieces and each piece only gives a very minor buff (less than 1% more crit, even when improved to gold). And the body pieces are all fairly easy to farm. The only really horrible RNG is the monster shoulder. I went like 6 months stuck with a Reinforced Ilambris shoulder. But I still cleared VMoL and VMSA with a Reinforced shoulder. I have a Divines Ilambris shoulder now, something like 478 keys later, but the DPS difference is tiny.

qsnoopyjr · June 2017

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Your thread Says- Balance and then inside you talk about downgrading Divine and buffing other traits. How's this balance?

All the traits are fine.

With exception of Divines which is a little too powerful and being so powerful breaks the balance.

Think of BSW
What was the solution???

No it wasnt make all the other sets good, it was bringing down BSW.

Why work on the other SEVERAL traits when you can make it balanced by bringing down ONE trait, which is Divines?
???
???

WhitePawPrints · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Your thread Says- Balance and then inside you talk about downgrading Divine and buffing other traits. How's this balance?

All the traits are fine.

With exception of Divines which is a little too powerful and being so powerful breaks the balance.

Think of BSW
What was the solution???

No it wasnt make all the other sets good, it was bringing down BSW.

Why work on the other SEVERAL traits when you can make it balanced by bringing down ONE trait, which is Divines?
???
???

Because it will not make the other traits any more appealing. Divines will still be chosen over other traits on "small" pieces of armor.

Slick_007 · August 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

All the traits are fine.

With exception of Divines which is a little too powerful and being so powerful breaks the balance.

so, not all?

Sneaky-Snurr · August 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

All the traits are fine.

With exception of Divines which is a little too powerful and being so powerful breaks the balance.

so, not all?

@Slick_007
Not sure if you're just troll-necro-ing a thread or not but there have been adjustments made to armour and weapon traits come HotR DLC. You can check the tweaks in the latest PTS notes.

Slick_007 · August 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

All the traits are fine.

With exception of Divines which is a little too powerful and being so powerful breaks the balance.

so, not all?

@Slick_007
Not sure if you're just troll-necro-ing a thread or not but there have been adjustments made to armour and weapon traits come HotR DLC. You can check the tweaks in the latest PTS notes.

yes, im aware of the upcoming changes. i've read the pts notes already. threads not that old.

Derra · August 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

People doing just one aspect of the game run Divines. Other traits do get used outside your narrow focus.

We will let the results speak for itself, and the developer should take actions based on a poll of what the community thinks about the state of the game.

Well you should have included other poll options in that case?

Biased poll is biased. Especially with the sarcastic touch of the no option.

Ep1kMalware · August 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

When the only set your after is anything Divines, its become Overpowered and there is no balance with traits. Is it time they downgrade divines and balance other traits.

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

I'd take improvements of the other traits, rather than nerfing a trait.

Op has the wrong idea. Firstly, most traits are in demand. Sturdy, infused, divines, impen, and even training are all used. There are a few traits, like prosperous and nirn that kinda suck, but they should be buffed a bit. Op needs a 1 week forum ban and time out so he can get some sun and read more about armor traits in eso before spreading stupid and trolling the forums.

Jhalin · August 2017

Divines is fine as it is. The problem lies in the fact that so many other traits are complete trash. Divines, Infused, Sturdy, and Impen are really the only viable endgame traits for armor.

Well-fitted is hardly noticeable even with 7 pieces

Prosperous is about to be gutted from its purpose as the farming trait (is and will still be trash in endgame content).

Nirnhoned (or whatever the armor version is called) doesn't offer more than Reinforced does on top of being crafted-set only.

Reinforced is only good on shields, but even then Sturdy or Infused is more useful because they help with resources.

MjolnirVilkas · August 2017

Nerf Prosperous. Easy gold, people just exploit it ot get inf. gold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

Insandros · August 2017

In other words you want DPS nerf again OP? Not happy with it? Divine only are mostly used for DPS.. or a few parts Infused and Divine... Healers uses a lot Infused and some Divine, Tanks mostly Reinfirced, Sturdy or Infused, PvP, impen.. Leave what DPS can use a sis, since their choices is limited. Why are people always asking for nrefs.... why are people always want game to rollbakck in time... why are people wanna pay for recent games but gives us like or less what games gives us 3 years ago..

khai014 · August 2017

well, I cant find any video in youtube like my build, I run a unique build from skills to equipments,
and i dont want to be just like eveyone else.
the tools are all in your hands,reset att,reset skills,cp points, change gears at any point in time,you even have so much skill trees you can choose. i didn't feel i have been bound to be a tank just because i am a dk,or dps/gank coz im a nightblade or heal only coz i am a templar etc.

the point is eso is diverse enough if you wanted it too.

Mettaricana · August 2017

Royaji wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Those who are discussing here sturdy, reinforced is a nonsense..

This poll is discussing divine trait in DPS perspective. Which is true its widely used trait for dps comparing others..

Maybe because divines is one of the only two traits which can contribute to DPS? And infused is behind because of big and small pieces since divines is always the same.

So maybe make small peice divines offer like half its buffs to even it out a lil

Rungar · August 2017

well your getting the opposite. Based on the mundus improvements divines will be even better and more sought after.

I am expecting them to nerf gold divines down to 5% though at some point.

Merlin13KAGL · August 2017

Want to make the other traits have more utility? Diminishing returns.

First piece of Trait A give max benefit, additional pieces give less.

This would still allow people to focus all in one trait, but the benefit would not be as intense as it is now.

Kanar · August 2017

Reason people use divines is not because it's better than the others. They use it because it's the ONLY armor set that boosts DPS (half the players at least, if you believe the required role ratio in dungeon finder). Give us more DPS boosting armor traits, and only after that can you speculate if divines is stronger than the others.