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Time to balance divines

qsnoopyjr
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When the only set your after is anything Divines, its become Overpowered and there is no balance with traits. Is it time they downgrade divines and balance other traits.
Edited by qsnoopyjr on June 28, 2017 1:33AM

Time to balance divines 271 votes

Yes, its pathetic how we have so many traits and if the trait i'snt divines its garbage
42% 114 votes
No, HELLL NAH, I spent YEARS getting perfect set. I say NO to CP raise, NO to downgrading divines. OH HELLLL NAH
57% 157 votes
  • WhitePawPrints
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    I'd take improvements of the other traits, rather than nerfing a trait.
  • Mettaricana
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    I'd take improvements of the other traits, rather than nerfing a trait.

    This too honestly id say nerf divines by like 2% per peice and sharpen by like half since for melee we get maces and mauls that ignore armor and magicka passives ignore a chunk of spell resist and light armor offers penetration.

    Buff all others like precise to add 1% crit make infused do alot more dmg
    Make powered do more healing and healing received. Roll training and prosper into one trait. Restore old nirnhoned,

    Remove impen and just make its effect a default pvp buff when doing any pvp content.
  • LadyNalcarya
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    They need to buff other traits (for example, add better loot chances to prosperous etc). Nerfing divine trait will not make cp160 prosperus and training drops more desirable, so the problem with traits wont be fixed.
    Hell, even if all traits would be nerfed to oblivion, people would still farm for something that is less crappy. And some of them would just hate the game because they wasted a lot of time farming divine armor.
    Also, divines is not the only useful trait. I'm using infused on my healer, and probably sturdy is a good choice for tanks in this update... And dont forget impenetrable...
    Edited by LadyNalcarya on June 28, 2017 2:44AM
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  • kargen27
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    People doing just one aspect of the game run Divines. Other traits do get used outside your narrow focus.
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  • Eleusian
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    9 traites is the real issue. They set the stupid RNG table to be a grind fest.

    If it wasn't divines they would have us chasing something else. It's all about creating a need to replay content over and over .

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  • qsnoopyjr
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    kargen27 wrote: »
    People doing just one aspect of the game run Divines. Other traits do get used outside your narrow focus.

    We will let the results speak for itself, and the developer should take actions based on a poll of what the community thinks about the state of the game.
  • idk
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    OP is misguided.

    Some healers and tanks use infused on large pieces. Some of my tanking gear is infused.

    Sturdy and reinforced are used by tanks.

    Potent Nirncrux offers more armor on shields than reinforced.

    Impenetrable is used in PvP

    Training is used for leveling and newer player to gain CP faster.

    Well Fitted has more limited use buy is good for anyone who sprints or dodge roles much. Especially good for scroll running and some may use it for other PvP aspects like being able to dodge roll more.

    Prosperous is the only trash trait.

    So in the end, the statement OP made is not really correct. Armor traits offer a great selection and choices.

    Of course the poll is plain worthless trash being it was worded to be prejudice to an incorrect opinion. What I typed speaks to the devs much stronger than that poll every will. They will see it for what it is.

    @bloodthirstyvampire thx for pointing out I stated the wrong nirncrux. I think OP has learned a lot about armor traits from the replies.
    Edited by idk on June 28, 2017 3:21AM
  • GeorgeBlack
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    Eso stats are:give some lose some.
    I wish the game was more about action rather than number crunching.
    Less stats. Simpler stats.
  • Tannus15
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    prosperous is useless. Impen actually gives you more gold because of reduced repair costs. Drastically needs an overhaul.

    Training should be removed from all drop sets EXCEPT the trainee.

    Impen is fine.

    Sturdy is ok, though maybe should only drop on heavy?

    Reinforced is good.

    Infused is good.

    Divines is good.

    Well-fitted needs adjusting.

    Nirn needs a buff.
  • BlazingDynamo
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    Where's the down vote when you need it?

    PvE chases divines. PvP chases impen.

    Is impen overpowered too? Nooooo it's just the most useful for that particular activity. Just like training is best for leveling.

    There is nothing overpowered about said trait there's just nothing else in the game that competes. Add another trait that provides a similar need like divines or bring the other traits up to par. Let's not just jump to the nerf hammer for everything please.
    Edited by BlazingDynamo on June 28, 2017 3:18AM
  • idk
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    Tannus15 wrote: »

    Sturdy is ok, though maybe should only drop on heavy?

    Tanks often wear one medium and light piece for max stats. Often with monster sets since many use drop sets for the rest, though not all.
    Edited by idk on June 28, 2017 3:18AM
  • bloodthirstyvampire
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    Edited by bloodthirstyvampire on June 28, 2017 3:19AM
  • GeorgeBlack
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    prosperous is useless. Impen actually gives you more gold because of reduced repair costs. Drastically needs an overhaul.

    Training should be removed from all drop sets EXCEPT the trainee.

    Impen is fine.

    Sturdy is ok, though maybe should only drop on heavy?

    Reinforced is good.

    Infused is good.

    Divines is good.

    Well-fitted needs adjusting.

    Nirn needs a buff.

    Nirm needs a buff. It should boost crafted sets. It isn't easy to go full nirn gear, it is expensive. We need a reason to use it


  • Emma_Overload
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    This poll is not good... what's all that stuff about CP in the 2nd choice? CP doesn't have anything to do with Divines trait.

    Anyway, as others said, Divines doesn't need a nerf, but other traits need buffs.
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  • Dracindo
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    Buff Prosperous. At least double the values. You should be able to craft enough prosperous gear to at least double the gold you get from mobs.
  • theamazingx
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    qsnoopyjr wrote: »
    kargen27 wrote: »
    People doing just one aspect of the game run Divines. Other traits do get used outside your narrow focus.

    We will let the results speak for itself, and the developer should take actions based on a poll of what the community thinks about the state of the game.

    You don't think they actually act based on user-made polls with incredibly small sample-sizes, do you?
  • Garwulf
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    prosperous is useless. Impen actually gives you more gold because of reduced repair costs. Drastically needs an overhaul.

    Training should be removed from all drop sets EXCEPT the trainee.

    Impen is fine.

    Sturdy is ok, though maybe should only drop on heavy?

    Reinforced is good.

    Infused is good.

    Divines is good.

    Well-fitted needs adjusting.

    Nirn needs a buff.

    Nirm needs a buff. It should boost crafted sets. It isn't easy to go full nirn gear, it is expensive. We need a reason to use it


    I and others used to run a full nirn set in PVP but the Sorcs complained and Nirn was nerfed. Cannot see it 'unnerfed' as it would upset players of a ZoS favourite Class.
  • altemriel
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    no more *** nerfs pls!!!!!

    buff the other traits!!!!!
  • vrine
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    Biased poll is biased
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  • TequilaFire
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    While some traits do need a buff and some need eliminated from the drop tables, divines is hardly the only useful armor trait.
    Impen, infused, well-fitted, sturdy and reinforced all have their uses by a savvy builder.
    Not everyone builds for max DPS meta.
    Edited by TequilaFire on June 28, 2017 12:17PM
  • Royaji
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    Divines is not OP. It's just the only trait which gives you meaningful increase in DPS. All other traits give utility/survivability and players go around that by relying on healers/mechanics knowledge. In PvP most traits can be used even though impen is a go to choice. Sturdy, reinfroced, well-fitted still work.

    Just because divines is good for dungeons/trials DDs doesn't mean that it's OP.
  • STEVIL
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    Eso stats are:give some lose some.
    I wish the game was more about action rather than number crunching.
    Less stats. Simpler stats.

    I tend to agree.

    I believe that for any given role as long as the traits are inward looking - lets boost variable a in equation c to raise result e - and about "you" it will always keep coming down to one trait per role kind of thing and so on. it shows mostly with weapons.

    I would like to see armor and weapon traits be outward focused - giving their bonuses and values and gains against certain environments and challenges - not so much universal one fix fits all within a role.

    imagine if:
    nirncrux raised armor by X
    sturdy raised armor by double that but only against DOT damage
    Well fitted raised it by double x but only against aoe
    reinforced raised it by double x against only direct damage.
    let divines raise healing recieved

    whatever set of cross-roles options you can work out so that the gains are dependant on the external elements in play and where you essentially wind up with nothing is best everywhere but everything is best somewhere.except for maybe nirncrux which is second best everywhere as its thing.

    then almost any trait will have a place, depending on what content you are doing. Your build for ash might be whooly different traits than your build for selenes, different for scamps and daedra as opposed to giants and mammoths.



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  • Lord_Eomer
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    Its not about just balance divine but buff other traits,

    There is problem in armor, weapons with PVE and PVP:

    Weapon BIS = Sharpen
    PVE Armor BIS = Divine
    PVP Armor BIS = Impent
    Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 28, 2017 12:23PM
  • Dubhliam
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    The only OP trait you should consider nerfing is Sharpened.

    Do you even know how much divines gives you?
    I bet you don't.

    Each Divine trait on a Legendary piece of gear will give you exactly 0,825 critical chance.
    It's nowhere near as powerful as a single Sharpened trait.

    To compare Divines with an Infused trait on a big piece, the difference is really minor.
    A legendary Infused chest, for example, will give you 173 extra stamina or magicka.
    That is the equivalent of 17 Spell or Weapon power.

    If you think 0,825% crit chance is that much more OP than 173 resouces, then... well... I don't think ZOS can help you.
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  • DjMuscleboy02
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    This is an mmo, there will always be an absolute best. Divines isn't even the best by a huge margin, infused isn't that far off. There is no issue. Also, to reiterate what others have said, other traits are used just as much.
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  • F7sus4
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    OP is misguided.
    Some healers and tanks use infused on large pieces. Some of my tanking gear is infused.
    Sturdy and reinforced are used by tanks.
    Potent Nirncrux offers more armor on shields than reinforced.
    Impenetrable is used in PvP
    Training is used for leveling and newer player to gain CP faster.
    Well Fitted has more limited use buy is good for anyone who sprints or dodge roles much. Especially good for scroll running and some may use it for other PvP aspects like being able to dodge roll more.
    Prosperous is the only trash trait.
    So in the end, the statement OP made is not really correct. Armor traits offer a great selection and choices.
    This guy here!

    It's because Divines is a DPS trait and obviously 95% of the population consists of "damage dealers". There comes the source of "divines-or-die" illusion.

    If I've ever proposed changing anything - it would be merging Prosperous into Training (resulting in a nice "general questing" trait - more XP on kills and more gold from monsters) and replace Prosperous with something actually meaningful.

    Edited by F7sus4 on June 28, 2017 12:49PM
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Those who are discussing here sturdy, reinforced is a nonsense..

    This poll is discussing divine trait in DPS perspective. Which is true its widely used trait for dps comparing others..
  • TequilaFire
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    Those who are discussing here sturdy, reinforced is a nonsense..

    This poll is discussing divine trait in DPS perspective. Which is true its widely used trait for dps comparing others..

    No we are refuting the statement that divines is the only trait that is used. The OP never once mentions DPS or why the set is the most sought after only that it should be nerfed based on popularity.
  • Royaji
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    Those who are discussing here sturdy, reinforced is a nonsense..

    This poll is discussing divine trait in DPS perspective. Which is true its widely used trait for dps comparing others..

    Maybe because divines is one of the only two traits which can contribute to DPS? And infused is behind because of big and small pieces since divines is always the same.
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Those who are discussing here sturdy, reinforced is a nonsense..

    This poll is discussing divine trait in DPS perspective. Which is true its widely used trait for dps comparing others..

    No we are refuting the statement that divines is the only trait that is used. The OP never once mentions DPS or why the set is the most sought after only that it should be nerfed based on popularity.

    Well Divine is not my fued to discuss but i am tired of Sharpen only meta for weapons..
    Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 28, 2017 1:03PM
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