Best in slot gear is craftable and farmable?

gameshark79 · August 2017

Julianos and mother's sorrow is going to be best in slot for magicka? So all I have to do to become a great player is make some gear and farm for a day? Where's the incentive to do trials or dungeons? Is this how you want your game to be?
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Countcalorie · August 2017

please stop.crafted gear needs to be relevant again.

Mojmir · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

Julianos and mother's sorrow is going to be best in slot for magicka? So all I have to do to become a great player is make some gear and farm for a day? Where's the incentive to do trials or dungeons? Is this how you want your game to be?

running trials to get end game gear, to do trials.
doesnt make much sense to me, id rather crafted gear be superior for the most part. RNG is ultimately more end game than actual content,also doesnt make sense.

code65536 · August 2017

LOL. And you think running dungeons and trials in normal mode is any more of a challenge or badge of skill?

Gear was never the main incentive for running vet content. People do it for the fun, challenge, and personal improvement. If you're doing it just to grind gear, then you need to reevaluate why you even play this game.

gameshark79 · August 2017

So you'd rather your time invested in the game mean nothing? I mean you might as well make the game pay to win. Just allow me to buy want I want to become the best. That's not why I play MMO's and do raids. I want to collect gear from the hardest trial to prepare me for the next one, not just be given it.

Taleof2Cities · August 2017

Julianos and Mother's Sorrow will be situationally best in slot based on the type of gameplay you partake in ... not BiS across all game content.

That said, I would hope players are happy with crafted sets being relevant again. As a master crafter, I certainly am ... though there are other crafted sets that still need a boost.

code65536 · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

So you'd rather your time invested in the game mean nothing? I mean you might as well make the game pay to win. Just allow me to buy want I want to become the best. That's not why I play MMO's and do raids. I want to collect gear from the hardest trial to prepare me for the next one, not just be given it.

If you think gear is what magically makes a player "the best", then you don't really understand this game's endgame content.

Spoiler alert: A bad player with golden BiS gear will still be a bad player.

Ghettokid · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

So you'd rather your time invested in the game mean nothing? I mean you might as well make the game pay to win. Just allow me to buy want I want to become the best. That's not why I play MMO's and do raids. I want to collect gear from the hardest trial to prepare me for the next one, not just be given it.

Thanks for sharing. You must be really fun at parties.

Taleof2Cities · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

So you'd rather your time invested in the game mean nothing? I mean you might as well make the game pay to win.

Changes in the game will always be happening ... just like any other MMO. The forums community isn't going to sympathize with you.

Mojmir · August 2017

code65536 wrote: »

LOL. And you think running dungeons and trials in normal mode is any more of a challenge or badge of skill?

Gear was never the main incentive for running vet content. People do it for the fun, challenge, and personal improvement. If you're doing it just to grind gear, then you need to reevaluate why you even play this game.

vma staves and gold/purple jewels are only available in vet content, in a way thats personal improvement.

gameshark79 · August 2017

I understand that. There are the players that want it easy and there are the ones that love the grind. Thanks Tales.

gameshark79 · August 2017

VMA staves are not going to be worth it next patch. Gold jewelry will be the only incentive.

Turelus · August 2017

If you're looking for gear progression systems then WoW & SWTOR are that way. --->

ESO is not about gear progression and it never has been, the trials and dungeon gears have not always been best in slot.

If you fun comes from gearing up and the grind for that then sadly ESO isn't the right game for you, as ESO tends to be more about scores and ranks at end game rather than just grinding for the gear to clear the next things.

Liofa · August 2017

BiS items dropping from trials doesn't even mean anything . You can just go in a normal run with a PUG and steamroll everything . Whatever is BiS , doesn't really matter where it drops . Only exceptions are vMA and Master weapons .

Mojmir · August 2017

Turelus wrote: »

If you're looking for gear progression systems then WoW & SWTOR are that way. --->

ESO is not about gear progression and it never has been, the trials and dungeon gears have not always been best in slot.

If you fun comes from gearing up and the grind for that then sadly ESO isn't the right game for you, as ESO tends to be more about scores and ranks at end game rather than just grinding for the gear to clear the next things.

enlighten me to when VMA staves/trials jewelry were never BIS in pve? im not saying i agree that they should be,but IMO theres always been an incentive,gear wise, to run endgame content.

gameshark79 · August 2017

LOL true story

gameshark79 · August 2017

I don't know if you've been testing or not, but having an infused julianos with weapon enchant is out performing VMA staves.

Beardimus · August 2017

Not sure if it's a Troll post or not. This is how it should be, crafted gear has been behind too long, master crafter status takes longer than farming a few trials which is duller than dishwater.

Needing to do trials sucks..it's a yawnfest. Needing to craft males sense its am MMORPG....

One minute people whine about BOP then they whine about crafting. I dunno

gameshark79 · August 2017

In all the big MMO games I've played such as WoW, crafted gear has never been best. Warcraft you grind the hardest content to prepare for the next one. It's been working for them for like 20 years now. I only play this game cause it's probably the best MMO on console atm unfortunately, and I have a lot time and friends invested.

Tyrobag · August 2017

I hope you realize how ridiculous your title is... Everything is either craftable or farmable.

Anyway, crafted gear should 100% be half the meta, otherwise why the heck would there even be a crafting system? Its impossible for a full crafted meta to exist, since jewlery cant be crafted so I don't see what you issue is. Or maybe you're just angry because you haven't bothered to level a crafter yet?

code65536 · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

In all the big MMO games I've played such as WoW, crafted gear has never been best. Warcraft you grind the hardest content to prepare for the next one. It's been working for them for like 20 years now. I only play this game cause it's probably the best MMO on console atm unfortunately, and I have a lot time and friends invested.

Who cares what WoW does? This is ESO. Gear matters, yes, but player skill far outweighs gear. A good player in good crafted gear can outperform a mediocre player in hard-to-get BiS gear. One of the players in my group was wearing Julianos when we cleared vMoL HM several months ago, yet he was one of the best in the group because he was the most skilled. And that is the way it should be. It incentivizes "git gud". It rewards skill over grind. And if you think that's somehow bad or that we should praise the backwards progression systems of archaic MMOs, then you frankly have a view that is not shared by most of ESO's endgame raiding community.

The gear grind is a chore that we grudgingly get over with so that we can have fun with the content. People grind out their TFS in nSO runs--how exactly is that incentivizing challenging content. We don't have your insecurities about "easy" gear because we know that good gear does not make a player good.

deadlychaos1991 · August 2017

There's a crafting system so you get rudimentary gear to start off with that will do okay in raids so you can FARM the best gear. That's how every MMO in the entire world ever worked. It's not just wow, it's every one of them. There's a reason that MMO's stay healthy and last for a long time. And it's not because they cater to casual scrubs 24/7. Eso will not be a 20 year game that can rival wow. I can guarantee you that.

Turelus · August 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If you're looking for gear progression systems then WoW & SWTOR are that way. --->

ESO is not about gear progression and it never has been, the trials and dungeon gears have not always been best in slot.

If you fun comes from gearing up and the grind for that then sadly ESO isn't the right game for you, as ESO tends to be more about scores and ranks at end game rather than just grinding for the gear to clear the next things.

enlighten me to when VMA staves/trials jewelry were never BIS in pve? im not saying i agree that they should be,but IMO theres always been an incentive,gear wise, to run endgame content.

I meant more the 12 player trials sets were not always BiS, and there were times before the Slayer bonus when trials gear was just as worthless as other sets.

It's been ups and downs but point being ESO isn't a gear progression game in the same way that you need to do trials in order to gear up.

gameshark79 · August 2017

I agree with skill over gear, but skill players don't want to just craft gear to be best, they want to work for it. That's the whole reason. No MMO player that I know of has ever said, let's just make the best gear and go beat the latest raid and be done until the next. It's always do the latest gear to get the latest gear to prepare for the next.

Turelus · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

I agree with skill over gear, but skill players don't want to just craft gear to be best, they want to work for it. That's the whole reason. No MMO player that I know of has ever said, let's just make the best gear and go beat the latest raid and be done until the next. It's always do the latest gear to get the latest gear to prepare for the next.

Do they? Because a large part of this forums is threads about how people HATE working for their gear.

BraidasNM · August 2017

if you like grinding for the sake of it, i would suggest bdo

gameshark79 · August 2017

True Turelus, but that was more of when the game first came out. You crafted gear to help you beat the Craglorn trials, but then you used the Craglorn trial and VMA to help you beat VMOL. Then you used VMOL gear to help you beat VHOF. Now you won't need VMOL or VMA gear to beat VHOF. Any player now can just make the gear and go in. There's no progression next patch.

llSRRll · August 2017

Make everything bind on equip, problem solved.

paul_j · August 2017

Lol even if you give the best gear to everyone I find that there are still people who ride the struggle bus. People don't even know what gear everyone really runs so I don't see why this matters at all. If you blaze through content and get good scores, I have no reason to complain.

Turelus · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

True Turelus, but that was more of when the game first came out. You crafted gear to help you beat the Craglorn trials, but then you used the Craglorn trial and VMA to help you beat VMOL. Then you used VMOL gear to help you beat VHOF. Now you won't need VMOL or VMA gear to beat VHOF. Any player now can just make the gear and go in. There's no progression next patch.

ESO isn't designed for that kind of progression though, it's not about completing one bit of content to be ready for the next, not any more. Now it's about do any content you want as long as you're skilled/geared.

We have progression from too many sources as it right now.
Base level, champion point ranks, gear level, gear quality, skill level, then add to that the actual player skills of builds/gear/rotation.

One of the main reasons I play ESO is because I don't have to spend six months farming AA before I can ever touch HoF. There are plenty of games which offer that style of gameplay out there, I am glad ESO isn't one of them personally.

gameshark79 · August 2017

These aren't the only players out there. Posts like this will always get more backlash for those who don't agree than those who do agree. It's how our world is unfortunately. People would rather post hateful remarks than supporting. I haven't belittled anyone in this post, but I've got a few. It's all good. I've vented now and feel better lol. Back to grinding...I mean I'll go craft my Julianos and get ready for next patch lol.