Which Alliance is the most evil?

Ceridwynne · August 2017

I really don't think any of the factions are "evil." The chaos of war just gives bad individuals and opportunity and an excuse to do horrible things. All the factions have their good and bad sides. But I will admit that I really don't like Aryenn, even though she is a goody two shoes who farts rainbows.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

I have to say AD simply because commanders not knowing what their subordinates are getting up to doesn't really make their atrocities any less vile. DC has this same problem to a slightly lesser extent, and EP supports slavery which is not good lol.

Korah_Eaglecry · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

theher0not wrote: »

I vote EP because they still allow some forms of slavery.

Sure the AD soldiers in Shadowfen where clawless monsters, but I don't beleve that they where following Ayreen's orders. They where most likley rogues who pretended that they were acting "for the dominion", just as what the Veiled Heritage did at the collage in Auridon.

The Altmer/Aldmer are the originators of slavery. Where did you think the Chimer/Dunmer got the idea for lesser races? The AD storyline takes you to a cave where there are goblins, former slaves, basically hiding out from their former oppressors. The Altmer never stopped enslaving "lesser races". It just doesnt get the attention of the players the way Argonian and Khajiit slaves do because Goblins dont actually have a voice or a story to tell.

As for the AD army in Shadowfen.....its an army. A large enough force that could commit a large atrocity as to threaten the Hist and next generation of that region. Thats not one or two people. Ayrenn or one of her generals signed off on that campaign into Shadowfen. So ultimately regardless of whether shed give a thumbs up or not. She IS responsible.

Tornaad · August 2017

The alliance you are playing within will always appear the best. The one that will appear the worst is based on the one that is attacking your alliance the most.

ParaNostram · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Dominion, they slaughter innocent and have the "lesser races" make up the bulk of their troops as cannon fodder.

Of course when it comes down to the actions of individual officers, the Covenant seems to have it (still have it burnt into my mind the quest where an officer poisoned a Dunmer woman's mother and would only give the antidote if she "entertained" his men).

Tan9oSuccka · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

AD overall. Killing unborn Hatchlings is deplorable.

DC invaders killing farmers and civilians in Bleakrock is pretty terrible too.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2017

Evil is subjective.

I am good,
I eat my babies,
Eating by babies is good.

hmsdragonfly · August 2017

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

ParaNostram wrote: »

Dominion, they slaughter innocent and have the "lesser races" make up the bulk of their troops as cannon fodder.

Of course when it comes down to the actions of individual officers, the Covenant seems to have it (still have it burnt into my mind the quest where an officer poisoned a Dunmer woman's mother and would only give the antidote if she "entertained" his men).

Cannon fodder? AD is the only alliance that the leaders actually care about all races within the alliance. Their leaders work together on regular basis to deal with all the problems of all races within the alliance. When the Bosmers have problems, you see Queen Aryenn and the Mane in Valenwood. When the Khajiits have problems, you see Queen Aryenn and the Silvenar in Reaper's March, right in the front line of a Daedric invasion. The High Elves even saved the Khajiits from Knahaten Flu.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eagle_and_the_Cat

You remember when the Bretons have problems? The Redguard almost even went to war against the Bretons, because of reasons. And when the Orcs have problems? They refuse to let any Breton and Redguard army in and rather deal with them themselves because of the fear of backstabbing.

Leaders of the Pact don't even talk to each other. It doesn't seem like the Tribunal gives any flying **** about Jorunn, they send diplomatic missionaries to deal with Pact's business. House Dres and House Telvanni don't even care to join the Pact.

Shadowfen is actually a huge continuity conflict, a result of having different writers who don't work together. The Orrery (Aylied's lie detector machine) has certified that Queen Aryenn has a pure heart, so no way did she know about what Ruuvitar was doing in Shadowfen - she has a pure heart she can't be the person who ordered Holocaust on the Argonian, it also conflicts with the fact that she took in a lot of Argonian refugees (and Orc refugees) and gave them a home because they were treated terribly by the Pact. It doesn't make any sense. The only explanation can be made is that it was supposed to be a regular invasion but Ruuvitar took the chance to go rouge and the Queen didn't know about his true plan. Otherwise, this is a continuity error.

P/S: Wanted to vote for the Pact - since they supported slavery. But I misclicked.

hmsdragonfly · August 2017

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

theher0not wrote: »

I vote EP because they still allow some forms of slavery.

Sure the AD soldiers in Shadowfen where clawless monsters, but I don't beleve that they where following Ayreen's orders. They where most likley rogues who pretended that they were acting "for the dominion", just as what the Veiled Heritage did at the collage in Auridon.

The Altmer/Aldmer are the originators of slavery. Where did you think the Chimer/Dunmer got the idea for lesser races? The AD storyline takes you to a cave where there are goblins, former slaves, basically hiding out from their former oppressors. The Altmer never stopped enslaving "lesser races". It just doesnt get the attention of the players the way Argonian and Khajiit slaves do because Goblins dont actually have a voice or a story to tell.

As for the AD army in Shadowfen.....its an army. A large enough force that could commit a large atrocity as to threaten the Hist and next generation of that region. Thats not one or two people. Ayrenn or one of her generals signed off on that campaign into Shadowfen. So ultimately regardless of whether shed give a thumbs up or not. She IS responsible.

The Altmer use Daedra (and goblins) as slaves. Goblins aren't sentient. They don't use any Mer, Men or Beastfolk race (sentient race) as slave.

Shadowfen is actually a huge continuity conflict, a result of having different writers who don't work together. The Orrery (Aylied's lie detector machine) has certified that Queen Aryenn has a pure heart, so no way could she know about what Ruuvitar was doing in Shadowfen - she has a pure heart she can't be the person who ordered Holocaust on the Argonian, it also conflicts with the fact that she took in a lot of Argonian refugees (and Orc refugees) and gave them a home because they were treated terribly by the Pact. It doesn't make any sense. The only explanation can be made is that it was supposed to be a regular invasion but Ruuvitar took the chance to go rouge and the Queen didn't know about his true plan. Otherwise, this is a continuity error.

SelfTherapy · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

AD is obviously evil lore wise, claiming they brought back the two moons with forgotten magic, the Khajiit of Elsweyr then viewed the Aldmeri/Thalmor as their saviors. Never trust a elf.

gepe87 · August 2017

Ebonhart Pact - explain

Full of hypocrits (Dunmer on top!). Each race use other in their Pact for survival. After the events the dunmer enslave the argonian again, and Nords despise all other race even they are the foreign one 'cause their ancestors came from Atmora.
Btw Queen Ayrenn, the Silvenar and the new Mane have pure heart and respect themselves as equals.. Those AD in Shadowfen may be some kind of extremists, not reflecting the good intentions of First AD

Nyladreas · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I would say hands down the Aldmeri Dominion due to their behavior in Shadowfen. The whole skinwalking and massacring of Argonian Eggs was over the top. They had no way of knowing they were targeting Argonians set to become warriors. They could of easily been farmers, artisans and such.

Daggerfall Covenant would be second. Only because of their decision to use Necromancy and use the dead to fight for them. Its considered to be a pretty vile thing to do and if it werent for the fact the AD had to go over the top with attacking innocents. This would be the number one evil thing.

Ebonheart Pact comes in last. But this is, from what I can remember, more about the fact that the leaders like Jorunn either dont know or look the other way in regards to slaves from other Alliances. If you go through Stonefalls and Shadowfen specifically you will come across Khajiit and Breton slaves. For some reason those two are the most prominent. And the EP only falls into last here because its something the Dunmer do and not the other two races. In Glenumbra theres quests that refer to Dunmer Slavers hauling people off to slavery and in Shadowfen Argonians are still being taken into Slavery within EP lands. Making me wonder if this is something that is done when the Dunmer think or know the Nords and Argonians are looking the other way.

Slavery is more or less outlawed and not all dunmer deal in this sort of thing. Many actually disagree with it. Only telvanni and dres remain and if you pay attention nobody is happy about it.

Anlace · August 2017

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

They're all pretty bad. All three have significant numbers of people who will do anything for power. EP conducts itself the most honorably as far as the Three Banners War goes, but slavery as a bedrock of the culture their leaders are all too cowardly to oppose or just fine with is also evil.

Good guys are always rare as diamonds in Tamriel.

I'm glad this got necro'ed it was really interesting to read.

Akrasjel · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

It's not about good or evil

Altmer supremacy

Joosef_Kivikilpi · August 2017

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

On the topic of Shadowfen. If you want an omelet....

DC raising the undead really? Are you Mannimarcos Toadies.....

Nords? Yes Nords are last.. As they know their place...

Raising undead to defend themselves at a fort backed up against the wall (Covenant) or the Pact going through a complex ritual to summon a powerful Daedra into the world to wreak havoc, the son of the mountain or whatever, to fight back the Covenant? Mmmh... seems like it just happens for any people to do drastic things in order to survive. I don't say that the Covenant doing that, the Rogue General sent there for being a practitioner of the art, spells them to be awful. It was survival after everything else had failed. Their tactics were spot on, though, and Alliance War should have been won already in a humane way. haha

DarkMatter909 · August 2017

The thalmor do not represent all high elves. Neither of my high elf characters condone the actions of the thalmor racists or the actions in shadowfen.
Just saying they are not all d&$ks. I can't stand the thalmor and would love a questline to take them down a notch when we finally go to summerset.

Enodoc · August 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm not going to vote because ZOS intentionally painted each alliance zone's enemy quests to be EVIL and make you hate the other. BUT, if you actually started the game in AD and followed Queen Ayrenn, you would realize that she would NEVER have allowed the activities going on in the other alliances to take place. It is quite clear that the activities in other alliance zones are NOT something she would support and are taking place by leaders outside of her knowledge... most likely by the Veiled Heritance as a means of discrediting her... which is what they are constantly trying to do throughout the game.

Thus, to say all of AD is 'evil' is not correct. That was the great thing Cadwell's Silver/Gold, to be able to see the other alliance perspectives... and as I said, each one has the other alliances resorting to evil things that I don't think any of their perspective leaders would support.

Exactly. Every alliance is portrayed as the bad guys when you're playing for a different one, but the whole purpose of Cadwell's Almanac is to show you that they're not actually like that at all. Ruuvitar for the AD, and General Serien for DC, are doing things their superiors would never sanction.

Megabear · August 2017

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

I play for DC, but I meant to join the "good" guys over at AD. My buddy got me to switch sides and I do believe I'm working for the "evil" faction lol

Megabear · August 2017

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

Turelus wrote: »

I'm upset the poll colours are mismatched.

Aslo DC, I got the feeling AD were more noble here (than in later ages) and RP were just struggling to stay alive/relevant.

You hit the nail right on the dot. As a non-official self-proclaimed epic ESO pollster I denounce our inability to choose poll color options. IT'S NOT RIGHT!

Enodoc · August 2017

SelfTherapy wrote: »

AD is obviously evil lore wise, claiming they brought back the two moons with forgotten magic, the Khajiit of Elsweyr then viewed the Aldmeri/Thalmor as their saviors. Never trust a elf.

@SelfTherapy You are considering the wrong Dominion. The Fourth Era Dominion is almost unequivocally evil, but Ayrenn's Dominion is nothing like that. Ayrenn clearly wants what's best for Tamriel (and I say this as a staunch believer that the Covenant has the best argument). The Fourth Era Dominion is much more akin to the Veiled Heritance than the original Dominion. (And I wish ZOS hadn't used the Thalmor faction name, and had created their own, to further distance it from the Dominions-to-be.)

Minno · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Enodoc wrote: »

SelfTherapy wrote: »

AD is obviously evil lore wise, claiming they brought back the two moons with forgotten magic, the Khajiit of Elsweyr then viewed the Aldmeri/Thalmor as their saviors. Never trust a elf.

@SelfTherapy You are considering the wrong Dominion. The Fourth Era Dominion is almost unequivocally evil, but Ayrenn's Dominion is nothing like that. Ayrenn clearly wants what's best for Tamriel (and I say this as a staunch believer that the Covenant has the best argument). The Fourth Era Dominion is much more akin to the Veiled Heritance than the original Dominion. (And I wish ZOS hadn't used the Thalmor faction name, and had created their own, to further distance it from the Dominions-to-be.)

Thalmor are still *** in this era. They just keep it on the DL till they feel it's time to strike.

At least DC cares about free people, just as long as people can trade freely. Also we got to fight an entire zone of vampires and another entirely of zombies. It's like DC loves their 80's horror movies!

EP just like to drink, but they invited plantation/slave owning dirty elves.

nCats · August 2017

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

AD may be in turmoil, but at least there is a progressive current worth fighting for within. Same goes for EP, I have no quarrel with the argonians.

PlautisCarvain · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

That's why I'm in it

Korah_Eaglecry · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

theher0not wrote: »

I vote EP because they still allow some forms of slavery.

Sure the AD soldiers in Shadowfen where clawless monsters, but I don't beleve that they where following Ayreen's orders. They where most likley rogues who pretended that they were acting "for the dominion", just as what the Veiled Heritage did at the collage in Auridon.

The Altmer/Aldmer are the originators of slavery. Where did you think the Chimer/Dunmer got the idea for lesser races? The AD storyline takes you to a cave where there are goblins, former slaves, basically hiding out from their former oppressors. The Altmer never stopped enslaving "lesser races". It just doesnt get the attention of the players the way Argonian and Khajiit slaves do because Goblins dont actually have a voice or a story to tell.

As for the AD army in Shadowfen.....its an army. A large enough force that could commit a large atrocity as to threaten the Hist and next generation of that region. Thats not one or two people. Ayrenn or one of her generals signed off on that campaign into Shadowfen. So ultimately regardless of whether shed give a thumbs up or not. She IS responsible.

The Altmer use Daedra (and goblins) as slaves. Goblins aren't sentient. They don't use any Mer, Men or Beastfolk race (sentient race) as slave.

Shadowfen is actually a huge continuity conflict, a result of having different writers who don't work together. The Orrery (Aylied's lie detector machine) has certified that Queen Aryenn has a pure heart, so no way could she know about what Ruuvitar was doing in Shadowfen - she has a pure heart she can't be the person who ordered Holocaust on the Argonian, it also conflicts with the fact that she took in a lot of Argonian refugees (and Orc refugees) and gave them a home because they were treated terribly by the Pact. It doesn't make any sense. The only explanation can be made is that it was supposed to be a regular invasion but Ruuvitar took the chance to go rouge and the Queen didn't know about his true plan. Otherwise, this is a continuity error.

Goblins are most definitely sentient. Like I said they just arent given a voice and story. Take a trip to Auridon and head on down to Toothmaul Gully. The goblins you interact with there are most definitely sentient.

Shadowfen is far from a continuity error. It doesnt conflict with a device created by a race of elves known for slavery and entire cities built up around daedra worship. Pure of heart for a Elf is not the same as pure of heart for a Man. Purity of heart is completely subjective and would be completely based on the opinions of those who created the device.

Vrienda · August 2017

Ebonhart Pact - explain

The Pact for destroying and regressing glorious Dunmeri culture and allowing savages such as the Argonians to live amongst them as equals.

Bobby_V_Rockit · August 2017

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

Argonians arent people, they're pets. If it hatches from an egg, it's food.

hmsdragonfly · August 2017

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

theher0not wrote: »

I vote EP because they still allow some forms of slavery.

Sure the AD soldiers in Shadowfen where clawless monsters, but I don't beleve that they where following Ayreen's orders. They where most likley rogues who pretended that they were acting "for the dominion", just as what the Veiled Heritage did at the collage in Auridon.

The Altmer/Aldmer are the originators of slavery. Where did you think the Chimer/Dunmer got the idea for lesser races? The AD storyline takes you to a cave where there are goblins, former slaves, basically hiding out from their former oppressors. The Altmer never stopped enslaving "lesser races". It just doesnt get the attention of the players the way Argonian and Khajiit slaves do because Goblins dont actually have a voice or a story to tell.

As for the AD army in Shadowfen.....its an army. A large enough force that could commit a large atrocity as to threaten the Hist and next generation of that region. Thats not one or two people. Ayrenn or one of her generals signed off on that campaign into Shadowfen. So ultimately regardless of whether shed give a thumbs up or not. She IS responsible.

The Altmer use Daedra (and goblins) as slaves. Goblins aren't sentient. They don't use any Mer, Men or Beastfolk race (sentient race) as slave.

Shadowfen is actually a huge continuity conflict, a result of having different writers who don't work together. The Orrery (Aylied's lie detector machine) has certified that Queen Aryenn has a pure heart, so no way could she know about what Ruuvitar was doing in Shadowfen - she has a pure heart she can't be the person who ordered Holocaust on the Argonian, it also conflicts with the fact that she took in a lot of Argonian refugees (and Orc refugees) and gave them a home because they were treated terribly by the Pact. It doesn't make any sense. The only explanation can be made is that it was supposed to be a regular invasion but Ruuvitar took the chance to go rouge and the Queen didn't know about his true plan. Otherwise, this is a continuity error.

Goblins are most definitely sentient. Like I said they just arent given a voice and story. Take a trip to Auridon and head on down to Toothmaul Gully. The goblins you interact with there are most definitely sentient.

Goblins aren't even capable of making a proper sentence, no grammar, they don't have a culture, can't perceive complex ideas. They are still at the primal state. They are slightly more advanced than animals but they are far below Argonian, Khajiit, Breton or other Men/Mer/Beastfolks races that Dunmer keep as slaves.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · August 2017

Ebonhart Pact - explain

The Dunmer were enslaving the Argonians for generations - and by the time Tiber Septim rolls around, in a few measly centuries, they'll be doing it again. Certainly all three Alliances have inflicted atrocities on their enemies, but it takes a special kind of evil to inflict the same on their allies. And unlike the other two Alliances, which have mortal leaders, the Pact has the Tribunal still alive for the whole transition, meaning this backstab isn't due to anyone in charge of the Dunmer dying and getting replaced by someone nastier. The same people in charge now are going to be in charge of the re-enslaving.

AlMcFly · August 2017

I feel like too many children played a little too much Skyrim, and think the Thalmor are in power here in ESO.

Korah_Eaglecry · August 2017

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

DoShazarr wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I would say hands down the Aldmeri Dominion due to their behavior in Shadowfen. The whole skinwalking and massacring of Argonian Eggs was over the top. They had no way of knowing they were targeting Argonians set to become warriors. They could of easily been farmers, artisans and such.

Daggerfall Covenant would be second. Only because of their decision to use Necromancy and use the dead to fight for them. Its considered to be a pretty vile thing to do and if it werent for the fact the AD had to go over the top with attacking innocents. This would be the number one evil thing.

Ebonheart Pact comes in last. But this is, from what I can remember, more about the fact that the leaders like Jorunn either dont know or look the other way in regards to slaves from other Alliances. If you go through Stonefalls and Shadowfen specifically you will come across Khajiit and Breton slaves. For some reason those two are the most prominent. And the EP only falls into last here because its something the Dunmer do and not the other two races. In Glenumbra theres quests that refer to Dunmer Slavers hauling people off to slavery and in Shadowfen Argonians are still being taken into Slavery within EP lands. Making me wonder if this is something that is done when the Dunmer think or know the Nords and Argonians are looking the other way.

Slavery is more or less outlawed and not all dunmer deal in this sort of thing. Many actually disagree with it. Only telvanni and dres remain and if you pay attention nobody is happy about it.

Slavery is most definitely not outlawed. The Nords simply demanded that the Argonians be freed. We see plenty of examples of this in the game.