In PvP, who under preforms?

bubbygink · August 2017

I think balance right now, especially in no-CP, is the best it has ever been. I think the disagreements in this thread attest to that. I'm not sure I could really pick out a class that I think is truly under performing in PVP right now.

Durham · August 2017

bubbygink wrote: »

I think balance right now, especially in no-CP, is the best it has ever been. I think the disagreements in this thread attest to that. I'm not sure I could really pick out a class that I think is truly under performing in PVP right now.

No it's not lol... magicka is out performing stam except stam nb's...
Stam was hit to hard last patch...

Hutch679 · August 2017

Hollery wrote: »

In my opinion, the stam sorc and magicka nightblade under preform. This is merely in your experience, while there are no wrong answers if you say magic sorc then you're a dip. Please provide some reasoning for these as well.

Stam sorc; it has like no class abilties, it's mostly just weapon skills

nightmage; They get messed to easily, and in comparison to stamblade there is little competition

Wtf did I just read lmao

ZOS_MattL · August 2017

Hey guys,
We had to remove a couple posts as they were not productive and were intended to bait. This type of comment are not conducive to a healthy discussion of the game. If this type of behavior continues the thread will be closed.
Thanks,
Matt

CrisXD · August 2017

Ceridwynne wrote: »

Me!! I am terrible at pvp no matter what class I am playing.

I no longer feel alone in this

WaltherCarraway · August 2017

Hollery wrote: »

In my opinion, the stam sorc and magicka nightblade under preform. This is merely in your experience, while there are no wrong answers if you say magic sorc then you're a dip. Please provide some reasoning for these as well.

Stam sorc; it has like no class abilties, it's mostly just weapon skills

nightmage; They get messed to easily, and in comparison to stamblade there is little competition

top kek.

edit: deleted an obsolete quote.

WaltherCarraway · August 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Speaking about mNB being bad, yet 9/10 emperors are mNB...

@Enslaved Isn't it funny how that works? Yet we will see thread after thread of people begging for Nightblade buffs, and swearing out how "squishy" and weak they are. You will see people making claims of how "skillful" Nightblades as a class are, and how it takes all this dedication to be proficient with them. Meanwhile, a complete beginner can pick-up a NB (mag or stamina), and unleash havoc. And don't let an "Anti-NB Thread" appear. Oh no. They will swarm and derail the thread like nothing you've seen before. It's ridiculous, to be honest.

you're deffy not first day here

ak_pvp · August 2017

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Speaking about mNB being bad, yet 9/10 emperors are mNB...

@Enslaved Isn't it funny how that works? Yet we will see thread after thread of people begging for Nightblade buffs, and swearing out how "squishy" and weak they are. You will see people making claims of how "skillful" Nightblades as a class are, and how it takes all this dedication to be proficient with them. Meanwhile, a complete beginner can pick-up a NB (mag or stamina), and unleash havoc. And don't let an "Anti-NB Thread" appear. Oh no. They will swarm and derail the thread like nothing you've seen before. It's ridiculous, to be honest.

you're deffy not first day here

I find that the two easier classes, NB and Sorc, stam and mag respectively have militant "fanbases" behind them that whine so they aren't nerfed, we can all see that they are the most prominent class. StamNB will be fine now that procs have been toned down, (Have to sacrifice for damage) but sorcs still get everything from one playstyle. Stack mag and you get high damage, sustain, tankiness and mobility.

Vizier · August 2017

Make Proc Sets a Seven Piece instead of 5 and all this talk about balance would pretty much evaporate.

Twohothardware · August 2017

The way shields work needs to be fundamentally changed or MagSorc will never be balanced. They need to be critable or they need to have a max resources cap so that the shields are not so large from 40-50k+ Magicka. Bastion also needs to get the same treatment as all the healing CP did for Stamina classes. The fact they nerf healing CP and now health recovery but do nothing to Bastion makes no sense.

olsborg · August 2017

stamplar, atleast solo, in group its strong due to OP potl, but solo the stamplar is kinda weak.

ShadowMole25 · August 2017

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Speaking about mNB being bad, yet 9/10 emperors are mNB...

@Enslaved Isn't it funny how that works? Yet we will see thread after thread of people begging for Nightblade buffs, and swearing out how "squishy" and weak they are. You will see people making claims of how "skillful" Nightblades as a class are, and how it takes all this dedication to be proficient with them. Meanwhile, a complete beginner can pick-up a NB (mag or stamina), and unleash havoc. And don't let an "Anti-NB Thread" appear. Oh no. They will swarm and derail the thread like nothing you've seen before. It's ridiculous, to be honest.

you're deffy not first day here

So after playing stamblades for two, I am currently playing my first magblade in Kyne. I have also decided to make it a vampire. I will say that it definitely seems a little squishy, especially when I get by fire ballistas during sieges while fighting. Now, this is mostly my fault because I am still trying to dodge roll out of them like with a stamblade, but it is a very weak to fire due to being a vampire. It's also very squishy when surrounded by 5+ enemies while low on resources.

So far I have found that magblades can survive almost any situation due to being able to cloak, retreat, and heal. I usually die because I put myself into a bad situation. Now, I'm nowhere close to being a great player and I can't 1vX, but can usually retreat from a bad position as long as I don't run out of resources or get hit by siege. In 1v1 I can hold my own usually or at least stall for allies to show up.

Overall Nightblade are a little squishy, but they are great at running away and disappearing. It solves the same problem of being able to survive, just in a different way.

DeHei · August 2017

Underperformed?!... we could create a wishlist for every class now, but Stam Sorc and magicka Nightblades are surely not underperformed... Just learn how to play them!

Ashamray · August 2017

My personal list of underperfomance:

Dragonknight (s)
- have poor group usefullness.

Dragonknight (m)
- have... well, they are decent in everything. Lack of gapcloser of finisher isn't an issue for them, moreover, If they have it, it would be OP.

Templar (s)
- sometimes looks pale when other stamclasses nearby. But only sometimes. Backlash is great thing.

Templar (m)
- worst duel class. Saw a lot of tourneys, mplars always suck in different patches with enviable constancy.

Nightblade (both)
- cloak is sad. OP and useless depends on situations, numerous bugs - that is just bad design.
- assasin's will is the same. Clunky. Uncomfortable. Needs a repair.

Sorcerer (s)
-

Sorcerer (m)
- pets that require 2 slot is bad design. Need rework.

Can't judge Wardens at the moment: lack of impressions.

Durham · August 2017

Ashamray wrote: »

My personal list of underperfomance:

Dragonknight (s)
- have poor group usefullness.

Dragonknight (m)
- have... well, they are decent in everything. Lack of gapcloser of finisher isn't an issue for them, moreover, If they have it, it would be OP.

Templar (s)
- sometimes looks pale when other stamclasses nearby. But only sometimes. Backlash is great thing.

Templar (m)
- worst duel class. Saw a lot of tourneys, mplars always suck in different patches with enviable constancy.

Nightblade (both)
- cloak is sad. OP and useless depends on situations, numerous bugs - that is just bad design.
- assasin's will is the same. Clunky. Uncomfortable. Needs a repair.

Sorcerer (s)
-

Sorcerer (m)
- pets that require 2 slot is bad design. Need rework.

Can't judge Wardens at the moment: lack of impressions.

STAM DK issues are not just grouping ...

Just like the stamplar resource issues become to take shape very quickly .. however it's resource management is better it's damage is almost entirely centered around two hander which leaves them very exposed compared to shield stack and block casting Magicka classes... the hardest hit of the stam classes last patch...9 meta nerfs
Helping hands was a small buff to the magicka The stam DK..however it was a 60% nerf of one of its most vital stam synergies...The second was the ingenious shields nerf this was reduced to 2.5 secs with cut the healing of vigor down .. btw it cost 50% more now.... The further nerf to heavy armor again hit the DK the hardest ...
I do not recommend this class to play atm unless you are skilled at animation canceling so your not exposed as much and you DPS is increased...

DeHei · August 2017

Ashamray wrote: »

My personal list of underperfomance:

Dragonknight (s)
- have poor group usefullness.

Dragonknight (m)
- have... well, they are decent in everything. Lack of gapcloser of finisher isn't an issue for them, moreover, If they have it, it would be OP.

Templar (s)
- sometimes looks pale when other stamclasses nearby. But only sometimes. Backlash is great thing.

Templar (m)
- worst duel class. Saw a lot of tourneys, mplars always suck in different patches with enviable constancy.

Nightblade (both)
- cloak is sad. OP and useless depends on situations, numerous bugs - that is just bad design.
- assasin's will is the same. Clunky. Uncomfortable. Needs a repair.

Sorcerer (s)
-

Sorcerer (m)
- pets that require 2 slot is bad design. Need rework.

Can't judge Wardens at the moment: lack of impressions.

Magicka Sorcs will get a passiv balance with the new obliviondamage META;

Warden are total a bit low in damageoutput (Stamina and Magicka)

Nightblades can deal most pressure of all classes; will only countered from permalblockbuilds; I think Magicka Nightblades need a classskill for aoe damage.

DKs are fine, a gapcloser or a finisher would be nice, but not both!

Templar need more CC possibilitys;

Ashamray · August 2017

Durham wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

My personal list of underperfomance:

Dragonknight (s)
- have poor group usefullness.

Dragonknight (m)
- have... well, they are decent in everything. Lack of gapcloser of finisher isn't an issue for them, moreover, If they have it, it would be OP.

Templar (s)
- sometimes looks pale when other stamclasses nearby. But only sometimes. Backlash is great thing.

Templar (m)
- worst duel class. Saw a lot of tourneys, mplars always suck in different patches with enviable constancy.

Nightblade (both)
- cloak is sad. OP and useless depends on situations, numerous bugs - that is just bad design.
- assasin's will is the same. Clunky. Uncomfortable. Needs a repair.

Sorcerer (s)
-

Sorcerer (m)
- pets that require 2 slot is bad design. Need rework.

Can't judge Wardens at the moment: lack of impressions.

STAM DK issues are not just grouping ...

Just like the stamplar resource issues become to take shape very quickly .. however it's resource management is better it's damage is almost entirely centered around two hander which leaves them very exposed compared to shield stack and block casting Magicka classes... the hardest hit of the stam classes last patch...9 meta nerfs
Helping hands was a small buff to the magicka The stam DK..however it was a 60% nerf of one of its most vital stam synergies...The second was the ingenious shields nerf this was reduced to 2.5 secs with cut the healing of vigor down .. btw it cost 50% more now.... The further nerf to heavy armor again hit the DK the hardest ...
I do not recommend this class to play atm unless you are skilled at animation canceling so your not exposed as much and you DPS is increased...

I pointed those issues that looks more sharp to me. Ofc, in more detail view, each spec has many issues. For example, poor-desinged skills, my number 1 issue

Robby94 · August 2017

stam dk hands down is ridiculous, bad mobility, no execute and no reliable cheap shields or heals. forced to use proc sets to compete. they really need a buff to bring them on par or everything else needs to be reevaluated with regards choice of survivability or damage, no class should excel in both while in pvp.

Ashamray · August 2017

Robby94 wrote: »

stam dk hands down is ridiculous, bad mobility, no execute and no reliable cheap shields or heals. forced to use proc sets to compete. they really need a buff to bring them on par or everything else needs to be reevaluated with regards choice of survivability or damage, no class should excel in both while in pvp.

Among stamina classes stamDK healz are the best. They do have a decent finisher because 2H and shield is the most viable combo for any stam class (except stamblade)

Morvane · August 2017

so if summarize this thread:
EVERY class is underpreformed in PvP and need BUFF while ALL opponents need NERF

ThatGuyCameron · August 2017

Magplar

No good stuns, absolutely no roots to speak of

Dark Flare too easily dodged

Sweeps doesn't hit nearly hard enough for how clunky it is

Clunky buffing routine, having to place down/step through the tiny rune every 8 seconds to get the same armor buff all the other classes get for 20+ seconds without having to think much about it. No access to major sorcery apart from entropy, which wastes a lot of time being applied in PVP, or expensive pots, and then you don't have access to tri pots like everyone else.

That's for DPS/solo play though, I suppose where the Magplar is supposed to shine, if it's supposed to shine at all, is in a supporting role in a small group.

Cathexis · August 2017

Stam sorc is brutally bad this patch.

Brutally bad.

Like, you can't do enough damage to kill a player stacking full damage bad. And they nerfed fasallas. And everyone runs block builds which are unbreakable.

It's just aweful this meta. It's the worst meta I've seen.

It used to be playable, this *** not even playable outside a group with bigger numbers than your opponents.
It's boring as hell.

There is currently no viable 1v build on a stam sorc.

Durham · August 2017

Ashamray wrote: »

Robby94 wrote: »

stam dk hands down is ridiculous, bad mobility, no execute and no reliable cheap shields or heals. forced to use proc sets to compete. they really need a buff to bring them on par or everything else needs to be reevaluated with regards choice of survivability or damage, no class should excel in both while in pvp.

Among stamina classes stamDK healz are the best. They do have a decent finisher because 2H and shield is the most viable combo for any stam class (except stamblade)

Stam DK uses vigor which heal 12% more then other classes using heavy or medium... Stam Sorc is better, Stam templar is similar.. You no longer get access to major mending except 2 tics of vigor and sometimes you do not have magicka for those 2 tics...

Two hander execute is used by all stam classes lol mute point

Durham · August 2017

Cathexis wrote: »

Stam sorc is brutally bad this patch.

Brutally bad.

Like, you can't do enough damage to kill a player stacking full damage bad. And they nerfed fasallas. And everyone runs block builds which are unbreakable.

It's just aweful this meta. It's the worst meta I've seen.

It used to be playable, this *** not even playable outside a group with bigger numbers than your opponents.
It's boring as hell.

There is currently no viable 1v build on a stam sorc.

Stam in general is hurting except for Stamblades...

CyrusArya · August 2017

Cathexis wrote: »

Stam sorc is brutally bad this patch.

Brutally bad.

Like, you can't do enough damage to kill a player stacking full damage bad. And they nerfed fasallas. And everyone runs block builds which are unbreakable.

It's just aweful this meta. It's the worst meta I've seen.

It used to be playable, this *** not even playable outside a group with bigger numbers than your opponents.
It's boring as hell.

There is currently no viable 1v build on a stam sorc.

Literallly fake news. I have a great time in every scale of PvP on my stam sorc, and there are plenty of viable builds. Stam sorc actually is one of the more versatile classes that makes excellent use of every weapon type.

Ashamray · August 2017

ThatGuyCameron wrote: »

Magplar

No good stuns, absolutely no roots to speak of

Dark Flare too easily dodged

Sweeps doesn't hit nearly hard enough for how clunky it is

Clunky buffing routine, having to place down/step through the tiny rune every 8 seconds to get the same armor buff all the other classes get for 20+ seconds without having to think much about it. No access to major sorcery apart from entropy, which wastes a lot of time being applied in PVP, or expensive pots, and then you don't have access to tri pots like everyone else.

That's for DPS/solo play though, I suppose where the Magplar is supposed to shine, if it's supposed to shine at all, is in a supporting role in a small group.

omg just my own thoughts.
Clunky buffing routine, clunky main spammable - that is a death sentense to a damage dealer in pvp. Forced to be a supporter in the group.

Lichbourne90 · August 2017

This patch made it very clear who the meta hopping stam sorc are vs those that have been stam sorc for a LONG time. Stam sorc is still and always will be a very powerful class.

Cathexis · August 2017

CyrusArya wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Stam sorc is brutally bad this patch.

Brutally bad.

Like, you can't do enough damage to kill a player stacking full damage bad. And they nerfed fasallas. And everyone runs block builds which are unbreakable.

It's just aweful this meta. It's the worst meta I've seen.

It used to be playable, this *** not even playable outside a group with bigger numbers than your opponents.
It's boring as hell.

There is currently no viable 1v build on a stam sorc.

Literallly fake news. I have a great time in every scale of PvP on my stam sorc, and there are plenty of viable builds. Stam sorc actually is one of the more versatile classes that makes excellent use of every weapon type.

Ok how do you fare against a shield heal without poison?

What race combo have you specifically selected to be functional?

Both of those are required, which means its not viable.

Ive tried so many things and there is nothing that plays solo/ungrouped well. The reason all the specs play well is because they play ineffectively at the same level.

CyrusArya · August 2017

Cathexis wrote: »

Ok how do you fare against a shield heal without poison?

What race combo have you specifically selected to be functional?

Both of those are required, which means its not viable.

Ive tried so many things and there is nothing that plays solo/ungrouped well. The reason all the specs play well is because they play ineffectively at the same level.

A shield heal? I fare fine against literally everything in any situation except for a magicka warden running the aoe major defile in a 1v1, which is basically the hard counter to stam builds.

I'm running 5 shackle breaker, 5 Automaton, 2 vMA Axes in heavy as a redguard, and it gets you pretty high stats across the board. The things you cant outright burst down, you can dance around with in an extended battle of attrition which you can eventually win thanks to dark deal sustain in heavy. The build has literally everything. I've also messed around in a basic bone pirate, agility, vMA build which was also very powerful (as it is on any stam class). Never once did I think stam sorc was underperforming. The damage, the mobility, the sustain...all are still quite awesome.

Another build is 5 ravager, 5 automaton, 2 undaunted which has even more raw power but less sustain than what I run.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · August 2017

barshemm wrote: »

My first character was a mageblade. I didn't find him great for dps in pve but loved tanking and healing. I took him into pvp around cp300, hated it. Felt super weak, couldn't kill anyone.

Went and rolled a Stam sorc. Had a blast, killed people, ran scrolls. Got another 300cp mainly via pvp.

3 days ago I decided to bring my mageblade back into pvp. Since morrowind I had been running mostly medium sets on my stam sorc and was getting frustrated with how squishy he is as well as struggling trying to make the change to 2h from maiming sword and board. Thought playing another character would be fun.

Mageblade is so much fun! No I don't have the burst to take out a 30k hp guy in full heavy. However I now have the choice who to engage. 5 people beating on me, yea most the time I die but I do last a while and several times I have managed to get out of it alive. 1v1 and even up to 1v3 I feel I hold my own better than my stam sorc and I'm still figuring out my bars.

I would say over all mageblade is in a pretty good place in pvp and while I miss the old siphoning attacks (don't use the new one at all) I found it is still very powerful in pve.

I haven't been successful in bombs yet btw. Running 6 heavy one light and probably switching 5/1/1 soon. I do plan to get some vicious death to try out bombing though because we'll... I am a mageblade lol.

I really want melee MagBlades to be viable. But using Concealed Weapon as a spammable just feels weak compared to it's cost. Maybe if the cost were reduced (or if it imposed Major or Minor Breach on its target) it would feel better.