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What's the worst type of armor? Why is it bad?
ThePrinceOfBargains
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I'm seeing conflicting things. I see people say medium is the worst and others say heavy is practically worthless. I don't really understand why either is bad. ~Pepper
Edited by ThePrinceOfBargains on July 31, 2017 2:38AM What's the worst type of armor? Why is it bad? 49 votes
Heavy armor
20%
10 votes
Medium armor
79%
39 votes
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paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Its ALL situational, and depends on build, class, role, scenario. You can't just ask, which is better or worse with no context at all.4 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They are wrong because they don't see the use in itGold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 500 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've seen people say Heavy armor has no uses, though. ~Pepper
There've been times in the game's history where that was true. There've also been times when it was hands down, the best armor for any role. Balance changes have altered the landscape significantly, but don't expect players who don't understand what made it good (or bad) in the first place to understand and keep up. They'll just continue spouting out of date nonsense.0 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Medium armorWhy is medium bad? Let's see.
In terms of damage: Concentration > Wrath > Agility
In terms of resource management magicka is easier than stamina.
In terms of survivability: heavy has mitigation, healing received, and more health.
Light armor has the almighty damage shields. Medium has dodge rolling which is effective against stamblades primarily. Other than that there's a good chance it's a waste of stamina.
That's why medium is garbage.1 -
Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Medium armorMedium armor. Now for stamina PVE it is still what you will use, however passives such as the damage from stealth don't help with PVE dps at all whille the light armor damage has spell penetration passives which is the single best way to increase DPS. Add to that light armor uses have the option to stack shields or heal to reduce incoming damage (in both PVE and PVP) that stam users do not to the same extent.
Whille for PVP it has its uses, lots of dodge rolls can make you slippery, damage from stealth can pack a real punch. The problem is too often you run right into Eye of the storm (or a bunch of them) and die. You can't dodge roll AoEs like that, If you get CCed you'll be killed much faster than a heavy armor user. Also Warden cliff racer damage can't be avoided. Really good at running away though
Heavy armor is obviously important for PVE tanks. who just want to reduce incoming damage to the cap. Whille in PVP, even with the sustain nerfs, the ability to just not die and slog it out with powerful CC abilities is extremely powerful. You can gain additional burst from monster sets and (until next patch) proc sets. With everyone built for burst the ability to just be too tanky to die to burst makes you a monster in PVP.Edited by Narvuntien on July 31, 2017 2:59AM0 -
ThePrinceOfBargains✭✭✭✭✭
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I don't want people to confuse my husband's chronic pessimism with me. I make him sign all his posts, so I try to do it too.starkerealm wrote: »I've seen people say Heavy armor has no uses, though. ~Pepper
There've been times in the game's history where that was true. There've also been times when it was hands down, the best armor for any role. Balance changes have altered the landscape significantly, but don't expect players who don't understand what made it good (or bad) in the first place to understand and keep up. They'll just continue spouting out of date nonsense.
I did use to play this a couple of years ago. I probably just latched on to things people were saying back then. I never understood much about how this stuff all works.0 -
Rygonix✭✭✭✭✭Do you happen to be a Mag Sorc, OP? I am noticing the interesting lack of light armor being an option in the poll.Ceres Des Mortem-Dark Elf Templar, EP
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Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What, no crafted option?
Not saying all crafted sets are terrible but more often than not it is. Also ..heavy and medium, ..really? Whoever you heard this from, just go ahead and completely discredit any further advice you receive from them.love is love0 -
ThePrinceOfBargains✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do you happen to be a Mag Sorc, OP? I am noticing the interesting lack of light armor being an option in the poll.
I'm, how you say, a "stamwarden." I only didn't put Light Armor in the poll because I genuinely thought there was some kind of long-time stigma against heavy and medium armor. Either that time has passed or it was simply a handful of people that just couldn't get the hang of it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Medium armorFor pvp or pve? For pvp heavy is still pretty much the best. For PvE it depends.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bottleofsyrup wrote: »
When they said it, it was kinda accurate. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth (around 1.2 or 1.3) Heavy Armor was kinda worthless. The mitigation values weren't that different between the armor types and heavy armor's mitigation bonuses weren't enough to really make it useful.
Back then, Medium Armor was kinda useless as well, because Stamina wasn't really a viable build yet. This might have been before the stamina morphs were implemented. Either way, there was no reason to spec into stamina, and heavy armor offered less mitigation value than a LA character would enjoy with Annulment.
There for awhile the meta was for tanks to run LA with a sword and board.
I want to say this all changed with 1.4, but it may have been earlier than that. Heavy armor went basically unchanged, but medium armor was scaled down to about 3/4s of what it had been, and light armor went to about 1/4th. Annulment also got changed so that it was far less potent (IIRC, it changed to only protect you from spell damage instead of spell and phys, but it's been awhile.)
So... yeah, picking between those two for the most useless would have been a legitimate poll... three years ago.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Medium armorMedium armor needs buffed so it is balanced with Heavy ArmorGrand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Blame the player and not the armor
So does that apply to taking on someone in light armor & wards
, yes yes it does. Xbox One | EU | EP
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Azurya✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm seeing conflicting things. I see people say medium is the worst and others say heavy is practically worthless. I don't really understand why either is bad. ~Pepper
It is clear that you don´t understand
but instead of making a useless poll, you could have use the "search"-function of the forum and read you clever.
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Thats a silly question. All amor types have their uses.
This.
...and as the TO didn't mention PvE or PvP, I understand it as a question concerning PvE and there all armor types are nicely balanced for their roles and purposes.Sometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
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✭You seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding Of ESO roles.
If you are doing PvE content, such as group dungeons, the gear allocation is very simple:
Tanks wear heavy armor
Magicka DDs wear light armor
Stamina DDs wear medium armor
Healers wear light armor.
Period.
If you can't understand why it is like that, then you really need some friend or guildie to help you out with some advise.
As for PvP... that is a whole different story.
Anyone can wear any armor simply because in most cases, it's "every man for himself". No roles in PvP whatsoever. Mostly.1 -
jbjondeaueb17_ESO✭✭✭✭For PvE, LIght is not so good, 2 passives to give you the same benefit as 1 passive on Medium (Cost Reduction and Regeneration), Crit is a fixed value for 5 pieces or more (no improvement for 6 or 7 pieces), no Spell Damage but Spell Penetration (also a fixed value for 5 pieces or more) who doesn't help me at all as healer.
For PvP which shield ? Most of the shields are based on Max Magicka which is not increased by Light Armor apart from one Morph of the Light Armor Skill.Pain-Healer - Argonian Templar Healer (EP) - Immortal Redeemer - Gryphon's Heart
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✭✭✭✭✭I love how you left light armor out of the poll. Like it didn't have issues at all.Edited by Feanor on July 31, 2017 10:41AMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Heavy armorNo sustain and no damage. Only useful for vet trial and vet DLC dungeon tanking - all other content can be tanked in MA with no issues. I will never play HA in PvP. I will never play tank again in PvE.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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ThePrinceOfBargains✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm seeing conflicting things. I see people say medium is the worst and others say heavy is practically worthless. I don't really understand why either is bad. ~Pepper
It is clear that you don´t understand
but instead of making a useless poll, you could have use the "search"-function of the forum and read you clever.
No offense, but I don't really care if you think it's useful or not. It's meant to be useful to me, not you.
Granted, my observations were outdated, so it also ended up being useless to me. I guess you have a point in that regard. But when I made the poll, I was under the impression it would be useful to me. I wasn't aware that a few people would find my ignorance to be offensive lol.2
