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What are some reasons for making Mag Sorcs so OP ?
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Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »@Tan9oSuccka wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Must be just a coincidence VMOL etc runs in zone chat are looking for DPS, Mag Sorc only.
>vMoL
>Zone chat
Ok.
Truth. Vet Raids, name is unimportant here. The fact is one performs better than others.
Then why theres no top leaderboard scores with 8 sorc dds?
I don't run them to be honest.
Anecdotal, I know. Just has to be a reason why I've seen that condition multiple times in zone for Vet raids.
"Looking for DPS, Vet raid ____, No Stam NB. Mag Sorc only."
Sorc is super easy to play, even a bad player will probably be okayish on magicka sorc. Theyre the easiest class to solo content with or to farm vma, too.
Edit: and "stam nb in a pug group" these days most likely means "bow light attack spammer who dies all the time".
At least thats what I see if I use normal dungeon finder. Yes, even if they are cp160+.
True. Bad builds can be any class. Yesterday, I ran a Vet Pug with a DPS Sorcerer with an ice staff and a bow.
Not only did he do zero damage, but he'd pull Aggro from me. Good times.0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »@Tan9oSuccka wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Must be just a coincidence VMOL etc runs in zone chat are looking for DPS, Mag Sorc only.
>vMoL
>Zone chat
Ok.
Truth. Vet Raids, name is unimportant here. The fact is one performs better than others.
Then why theres no top leaderboard scores with 8 sorc dds?
I don't run them to be honest.
Anecdotal, I know. Just has to be a reason why I've seen that condition multiple times in zone for Vet raids.
"Looking for DPS, Vet raid ____, No Stam NB. Mag Sorc only."
Sorc is super easy to play, even a bad player will probably be okayish on magicka sorc. Theyre the easiest class to solo content with or to farm vma, too.
Edit: and "stam nb in a pug group" these days most likely means "bow light attack spammer who dies all the time". At least thats what I see if I use normal dungeon finder. Yes, even if they are cp160+.
True. Bad builds can be any class. Yesterday, I ran a Vet Pug with a DPS Sorcerer with an ice staff and a bow.
Not only did he do zero damage, but he'd pull Aggro from me. Good times.
Of course, bad builds can be any class, but the chances are that magsorc sorc would be sturdier than a stam nb, simply because magicka builds have a lot of survivability. Also many trials arent very melee friendly and/or have limited melee spots, which limits the opportunities for stam dds.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »@Tan9oSuccka wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Must be just a coincidence VMOL etc runs in zone chat are looking for DPS, Mag Sorc only.
>vMoL
>Zone chat
Ok.
Truth. Vet Raids, name is unimportant here. The fact is one performs better than others.
Then why theres no top leaderboard scores with 8 sorc dds?
Well to be fair, on average about half the DPS are sorcs. Now that's a lot better than last patch, but it shows that they still are the DPS favorite.
Now IMO sorcs are just fine in terms of damage. My issue is primarily with the duration of endless fury, the lack of a damage nerf to haunting even though they nerfed the damage of rearming trap by 30% because it went off twice, and the overall strength of damage shields.
Shields are just too powerful in this game. That goes for PvP and PvE.0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »@Tan9oSuccka wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Must be just a coincidence VMOL etc runs in zone chat are looking for DPS, Mag Sorc only.
>vMoL
>Zone chat
Ok.
Truth. Vet Raids, name is unimportant here. The fact is one performs better than others.
Then why theres no top leaderboard scores with 8 sorc dds?
Well to be fair, on average about half the DPS are sorcs. Now that's a lot better than last patch, but it shows that they still are the DPS favorite.
Now IMO sorcs are just fine in terms of damage. My issue is primarily with the duration of endless fury, the lack of a damage nerf to haunting even though they nerfed the damage of rearming trap by 30% because it went off twice, and the overall strength of damage shields.
Shields are just too powerful in this game. That goes for PvP and PvE.
True that. However, I think that sorcs are powerful in comparison just because other classes were nerfed (both directly and indirectly). For example, ZOS wanted us to use heavy attacks and heavy lightning build synergize with sorcs etc.
They just need to buff other classes a bit imo.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All I know is I am tired of fighting another nightblade or Dk only to die and see Mage' wrath and implosion on my death recap without a sorc in sight. I bet my opponent didn't like losing his possible kill either.
Sorcs are making their own trouble by kill stealing so much.Edited by TequilaFire on July 30, 2017 3:50AM2 -
vpy✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »All I know is I am tired of fighting another nightblade or Dk only to die and see Mage' wrath and implosion on my death recap without a sorc in sight. I bet my opponent didn't like losing his possible kill either.
Sorcs are making their own trouble by kill stealing so much.
You are right Sir
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Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »All I know is I am tired of fighting another nightblade or Dk only to die and see Mage' wrath and implosion on my death recap without a sorc in sight. I bet my opponent didn't like losing his possible kill either.
Sorcs are making their own trouble by kill stealing so much.
you kill him, i kill him, the guy behind me kills him with jesus beam, a player none of us even sees puts him down with focused aim, he gets sap essenced, incapped flying bladed down by someone else. <shrug>
who gaf as long as he goes down?
you see a shot, take it. that's how we clear the field.
that is the objective, no?
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✭✭✭✭✭GreyWolf_79 wrote: »Interesting. I've played TES games for years, but I didn't start playing ESO until this year, so I have no idea how the game was originally designed to be played.
To be honest, @GreyWolf_79, when I first read this post (the entire post), I didn't want to repsond, because there's a lot of nitpicks about how the single player series has evolved over the years, that you appear to have missed.
I mean, if you want, I can go back, and carve up the post, and get into a weird discussion about how TES has changed over the years. If you don't...
I agree, more or less, with your goal in design. It's just that, with ESO, as it exists now, there's a hard divide between class and role, with both of them functioning independently of one another, which, in the long term, is a lot more interesting than, "you're a NB, you'll always be DPS," or, "you're a templar, you'll always be the healer," the way you see in a lot of MMOs. Having classes affect how a role is performed, without locking that out entirely is far more interesting to me. Emphasis on the, "to me," part, because this is an entirely subjective opinion.0 -
schwarzman1✭✭✭Sorcs are not OP. No nerf needed. Where's the lol button!Edited by schwarzman1 on July 30, 2017 7:30AMPS4 NA AD
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MirkoZ✭✭✭✭I'm tired to read those "nerf sorc posts" I have been playing sorc for 2 years , I don't have other classes , I play only pvp , and you guys are boring.
Ok lets nerf sorc please so those people that call nerf every day can stop(ahahaahahahahahahah they never stop).
Mag sorc isn't op unless you are scrub and u can't counter it, but of course please nerf sorc .
Wait cristal frags wasn't nerfed ?
only 10% less dmg not so much nono.
The problem guys isn't the class , but the sets.
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CastaLyron✭✭Another nerf post with zero arguments.. I will respond to you good sir in a similar manner:
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Tyrion87✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭1. Why do you quote only the first part of the sentence: "Magicka Sorcerers are a disgustingly powerful class", totally forgetting (or intentionally leaving - because it just doesn't fit your reasoning) the second part: "when utilized correctly". The thing is that not many sorcs in this game know how to utilize their class correctly.
2. You quote someone who quitted playing the game some time ago.
3. Sorcs suck at being tanks and healers. If you nerf their DD potential, they will be pretty much like wardens - outperformed by other classes in each aspect of the game.
4. You main a NB, don't you? And you are rather low CP, aren't you? If you are not able to pull high DPS, that is only your fault (or lack of experience). I can see each class (except for mag wardens) doing great and comparable DPS in end-game content when played by good players. That said, sorcs are fine as they are. Just the playstyle might be considered a little easier, but the numbers are similar.
5. As far as I can see, not only sorcs are powerful in terms of DPS. E.g. DKs (both stam nad mag) are great too. Why don't you want to nerf them too? I know... because you just hate sorcs... and this is very noticeable when looking at countless of your threads.
6. As for your threads, why creating so many of them? I think you are the first and only person on this forum who posts more threads than the comments.2 -
Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP complains Sorc is too powerful, offers up zero personal experiences with it or anything at all really detailing why "it's too powerful." Links a build suggestion from someone who doesn't even play ESO anymore (good riddens), and the author of the build can't even get the name of the main recommended gearset 'Necropotence' right. I'm also guessing OP must also be a Sorcerer wiz in Cryodil killing left and right and walking through vMA without getting hit.
Seems like some real sound suggestions here!No, that wasn't a typo...love is love1 -
RedFireDisco✭✭✭✭My problem with Sorcs (I main a magblade) is that they have better passives, more damage and are tankier, but that's not the BIGGEST problem - Any sorc who runs a detect pot gets an instakill versus magblade, because cloak is the crux skill needed to invoke the miserable extra crit damage a NB gets.
If a sorc takes an NB out cloak, then it becomes a battle of complete imbalance, which is over in curse, pulse, frag.
If a sorc can run detect then NBs should get a potion that takes away sorc's shield. Sound ridiculous?
Sorry, but magblades give up protection for damage - Sorcs don't have to.
NB's have been nerfed for 5 updates straight, but we keep on keeping on.
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MirkoZ✭✭✭✭RedFireDisco wrote: »My problem with Sorcs (I main a magblade) is that they have better passives, more damage and are tankier, but that's not the BIGGEST problem - Any sorc who runs a detect pot gets an instakill versus magblade, because cloak is the crux skill needed to invoke the miserable extra crit damage a NB gets.
If a sorc takes an NB out cloak, then it becomes a battle of complete imbalance, which is over in curse, pulse, frag.
If a sorc can run detect then NBs should get a potion that takes away sorc's shield. Sound ridiculous?
Sorry, but magblades give up protection for damage - Sorcs don't have to.
NB's have been nerfed for 5 updates straight, but we keep on keeping on.
Sorc's are OP
So sorc are op because they can kill a nb if they run detec potion
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Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭please ...
first of all the sorcerer had big shields , this ended in a " Shield strengh divided by 2 " nerf ...
THEN the sorcerers L2P and keep playing this class.
After this , sorc was too OP because of the shields , this ended in a " Shield duration divided by 3,3 " nerf ...
THEN the sorcerers L2P and keep playing this class.
After this , sorc was still too op because of the shields ,this ended in a " Let's introduce the set shield breaker and a new star for extra damage to shields " .
THEN the sorcerer L2P and keep playing this class . " don't forgot the extra 50% cost of streak " nerf ...
And now the sorcerer is too Op cause you can't do criticable damage to shields and because we can stack them ? What do you want we to do ? It's your turn to L2P ...
and please ... don't talk me about streak ... quote random skill just because the class that we are talking about is the " sorcerer " Is uninteresting . especially when you can avoid the crystal frag with a rolldodges ... and nerf streak will only make us remorph this skill for take " ball of lightning " ... but again this will be to op cause it's a sorcerer skill .
I would like to be NB magicka , you can L2P , be very strong ,and nobody is here for say you that it's only because your are sorcerer ( which is wrong of course ) ... you can pull good dps without anyone at your side for say you that it's only because your are sorcerer ( which is also wrong , stamina pull better dps in mono ! 1 infused axe + 1 sharpened dagger + 1 maesltrom sharpened bow is good ) ... you can also do like @RedFireDisco and cry because your cloack is not 100% effective ! ( yes because everybody know that streak is 100% effective ... once you have used 4 streak you don't have mana anymore ... nobody follow you with horse ... and nobody grab you in a zerg ! )
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RedFireDisco✭✭✭✭please ...
... you can also do like @RedFireDisco and cry because your cloack is not 100% effective ! ( yes because everybody know that streak is 100% effective ... once you have used 4 streak you don't have mana anymore ... nobody follow you with horse ... and nobody grab you in a zerg ! )
Bite the horse for +500 mana. Everybody knows this
Edited by RedFireDisco on July 30, 2017 12:45PM1 -
DeHei✭✭✭✭✭Isnt the problem that sorcs are too strong. Other classes are just to weak designed! They need a buff
DeHei - EP Magicka Templar AllrounderDe Hei(Youtube)0 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »First sorcs were OP because of Crit Surge, which got nerfed so many times it became good again. Then sorcs were OP because they had unlimited Streak and could run away. Streak got nerfed into oblivion. Then sorcs were OP because they could shield stack, shields durations were nerfed from 26 to 6 seconds and everyone got access to a skill like Hardened Ward. The duration caused most sorcs to only stack hardened + healing ward which any class can basically do with harness + healing ward.
The entire definition of the sorc class hinges on cfrags, curse and mages fury. Takes these skills away and the sorc class is just there for the passives..
Give this poster an insightful."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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RedFireDisco✭✭✭✭RedFireDisco wrote: »My problem with Sorcs (I main a magblade) is that they have better passives, more damage and are tankier, but that's not the BIGGEST problem - Any sorc who runs a detect pot gets an instakill versus magblade, because cloak is the crux skill needed to invoke the miserable extra crit damage a NB gets.
If a sorc takes an NB out cloak, then it becomes a battle of complete imbalance, which is over in curse, pulse, frag.
If a sorc can run detect then NBs should get a potion that takes away sorc's shield. Sound ridiculous?
Sorry, but magblades give up protection for damage - Sorcs don't have to.
NB's have been nerfed for 5 updates straight, but we keep on keeping on.
Sorc's are OP
So sorc are op because they can kill a nb if they run detec potion
Nope. They can do all the aforementioned + counter the one things that lets an NB do its class based damage.
If NB's could take a destroy shield potion that left sorcs shieldless (like NB's are) the triggering would be epic.
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Pawsy✭✭I find magic sorcs are way too op in pve. They hit the highest damage compared to ALL other classes and they have the biggest shield. When I go into a vTrial, I ask my guild, what do you want me to come as, magic dk, stam dk, and magic sorc? And they always say sorc. Now we have in our raid groups 2dk tanks, 2 templar heals, and the rest are magic sorcs. Please bring the sorc in line with the other classes ZoS.2 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RedFireDisco wrote: »RedFireDisco wrote: »My problem with Sorcs (I main a magblade) is that they have better passives, more damage and are tankier, but that's not the BIGGEST problem - Any sorc who runs a detect pot gets an instakill versus magblade, because cloak is the crux skill needed to invoke the miserable extra crit damage a NB gets.
If a sorc takes an NB out cloak, then it becomes a battle of complete imbalance, which is over in curse, pulse, frag.
If a sorc can run detect then NBs should get a potion that takes away sorc's shield. Sound ridiculous?
Sorry, but magblades give up protection for damage - Sorcs don't have to.
NB's have been nerfed for 5 updates straight, but we keep on keeping on.
Sorc's are OP
So sorc are op because they can kill a nb if they run detec potion
Nope. They can do all the aforementioned + counter the one things that lets an NB do its class based damage.
If NB's could take a destroy shield potion that left sorcs shieldless (like NB's are) the triggering would be epic.
*cough*Annulment*cough* (seriously I've played a magblade that gets pretty survivable with it's shield and such)"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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✭✭✭✭I find magic sorcs are way too op in pve. They hit the highest damage compared to ALL other classes and they have the biggest shield. When I go into a vTrial, I ask my guild, what do you want me to come as, magic dk, stam dk, and magic sorc? And they always say sorc. Now we have in our raid groups 2dk tanks, 2 templar heals, and the rest are magic sorcs. Please bring the sorc in line with the other classes ZoS.
So one could say... buff sorcs to be BiS tanks or healers? Strangely no one wants a sorc tank when he can get a dk. Or Templar for healing. One could think they fill different roles with different classes. What an absurd concept. But yep, nb and wardens could use some pve dps love0 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »I find magic sorcs are way too op in pve. They hit the highest damage compared to ALL other classes and they have the biggest shield. When I go into a vTrial, I ask my guild, what do you want me to come as, magic dk, stam dk, and magic sorc? And they always say sorc. Now we have in our raid groups 2dk tanks, 2 templar heals, and the rest are magic sorcs. Please bring the sorc in line with the other classes ZoS.
So one could say... buff sorcs to be BiS tanks or healers? Strangely no one wants a sorc tank when he can get a dk. Or Templar for healing. One could think they fill different roles with different classes. What an absurd concept. But yep, nb and wardens could use some pve dps love
Stamdks used to be BiS (gags at using the term unironically) DPS for a while. It's almost as though in a game with balance changes, the balance happens to change from patch to patch. Golly gee. The constant has been Sorcs can do nothing but DPS and people will get mad at you if you try."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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EnglishTea123✭✭✭Mmm... not hating on Deltia, but... he's just another player that plays--or used to play, if he truly isn't playing nowadays--the game.
And it's just like any other class with BiS, meta build. It's certain builds and playstyles that make a class easy to play. Create your own build and playstyle for any class that's not stupid but at the same time that's very unique and away from the meta. Then you'll see that mag sorc isn't necessarily OP. The unique build I'm talking about isn't like this stupid build where a mag sorc is using puncture as a means to deal damage, or slotting pretty much the same sets with different names and using exactly the same rotation. I'm talking about a build that's still viable but very different. But just keep in mind meta is meta for a reason, and that goes for every class, not just for mag sorcs.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RedFireDisco wrote: »My problem with Sorcs (I main a magblade) is that they have better passives, more damage and are tankier, but that's not the BIGGEST problem - Any sorc who runs a detect pot gets an instakill versus magblade, because cloak is the crux skill needed to invoke the miserable extra crit damage a NB gets.
If a sorc takes an NB out cloak, then it becomes a battle of complete imbalance, which is over in curse, pulse, frag.
If a sorc can run detect then NBs should get a potion that takes away sorc's shield. Sound ridiculous?
Sorry, but magblades give up protection for damage - Sorcs don't have to.
NB's have been nerfed for 5 updates straight, but we keep on keeping on.
Sorc's are OP
First of all, if you have problems killing someone on a mageBlade you're probably just not a good NB. Did I read right you think the Sorc passives are better than the ones NB has access to? Really? I'd take Sorcs certainly don't have more burst than mageBlades, and you can already bypass a Sorc shield with oblivion damage. That your cloak doesn't work (although my perception is it works just fine on the NBs I encounter in Cyrodiil) is certainly no reason to nerf Sorcs.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
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✭And yet that was before shield nerf (both harness and hardened), Skill costs increased 11.1%, cost reduction nerf, regen nerf, crystal frag nerf, streak nerf. If you want to kill sorcs level a night blade ambush incap surprise attack... dead. Your welcome. Btw op that post by Deltia like 10 patches ago and Deltia rarely ran a sorc.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.2 -
X3ina✭✭✭RedFireDisco wrote: »My problem with Sorcs (I main a magblade) is that they have better passives
That fragment made my day, thank you for that !!!
For most of the rest guys here, you do know that sorc has the most expensive skill lines in the game right ?
Yes, mag sorc is very easy to play in both pvp and pve, but it takes same effort to master it as any other class.
BTW not every1 plays sorc as FOTM, some of us main them for more than 3 years, and have seen the time where MAG SORCS were TOTALLY USELESS (primarily used in AA at 2nd boss and last boss hm).
About implosion ... if u look at sorcs finisher damage = totally fine. About same crap on other classes ... templars have passive to proc damage.
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