IMP CITY BOSS/TEL VAR FARMING Question! (psychology!)

generalmyrick · July 2017

Why do some folks get so upset that you are farming the bosses with them?

It doesn't hurt them! More dps = quicker burn = on to the next target quicker.

Im looking for something reasonable that will make me dislike a player less for spamming "move away from me" and all the other obnoxious comments in zone chat...

Thanks!

Beardimus · July 2017

Because you split the stones. They will get less

generalmyrick · July 2017

^but my added dps burns the boss quicker--and the latest jackal just did some stand on a ledge exploit that prevented the boss from attacking him while he did heavy attacks. sooo, my dps did a larger portion of the damage... anyhow i'm willing to chalk it up to evensies.

next!?

Nestor · July 2017

Until the introduce a mechanic where the mobs come out with Property of "Player Steve" or whatever, no one owns them. Do as you see fit.

code65536 · July 2017

If you are killing them fast enough that they respawn just as you complete a loop of the districts, then any increase in speed won't help, and more people will mean fewer stones. But up to that point, it's a wash.

Chrlynsch · July 2017

-A solo kill is 14k tel var with all districts.
- Some bosses have abilities that only go off when you have 2+ players, making them more difficult to fight and more likely to kill you.

My rule. If you see someone soloing a boss it is best to let them solo it. Find your own boss, if they jump in later everything is fair game.

Tornaad · July 2017

I tend to have the other problem. When I want to take out a boss for a quest and am having problems trying to take it out, I can never get additional people to show up and help out. Like for example the boss in the arena district or the boss in the temple district.

It took a few months and a change of characters but I got the temple boss. Now I just need to get the arena boss. And then from there I get to find out what comes next in the Imperial City quest line.

lasertooth · July 2017

If the bosses respawned quicker or were more numerous your "dps burning the boss down quicker" would be a valid point, but as it stands now, the number of stones/hour you get decreases exponentially with each added player because of the slow respawn timer. 5-6 players can kill x bosses/per hour, 12 players kills the same number of bosses per hour.

Vaoh · July 2017

They are trying to make a ton of Tel Var Stones in the time they have to farm. This part is easy.

When you come in to "help", what you are really doing is cutting their profit in half and providing unwanted/unnecessary support.

Also, it does not in the slightest mean you put forth a proportional effort into killing the boss. You could simply deal 1% (possibly less) of the boss health in damage and still recieve 50% of the Tel Var stones. This is what causes the real issue here. If you only gained Tel Var stones based on your damage dealt then it wouldn't be an issue. Currently you can jump in for the last 10sec of the fight and benefit as if you were there from the start.

Magdalina · July 2017

It's pretty much been said already. 1 person gets something like 14k tv a boss if all districts are capped by his alliance, 2 get ~7k each, 3 get something like 4k and at 4+ it's honestly not worth it imo. Bosses don't respawn that fast and the gains drop exponentially as the number of people increases. Imo 2 people is optimal, maybe 3 tops. It is actually a huge deal, with just me and a friend at a quiet hour we can easily hit like 70k tv an hour, if we keep getting "help"...think 10-20k? I know we don't own the mobs so I'll never try to be rude to other farmers, but if we can't get rid of "help" we'll just leave for something more productive and let you keep farming. Also, not directed at you personally but most people that tend to tag along are usually...not very experienced players whose actual contribution is minimal but the gains are the same

Also, for me personally, I greatly enjoy the challenge IC district bosses pose alone/in group of 2

So even if gains weren't split I'd honestly prefer 2 manning them just for fun. But that's just me.

On side note, cheesing out bosses is a huge no no.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · July 2017

As others have said it's because the stones get divided.

I've not farmed districts for ages but there was a time I could get between 100-150k per hour solo.
I once was walking around with 350k telvar from 3 hours farming.

Solo = best telvar gains but also higher risk due to gankers etc.

Back when I was farming telvar, 3 flawless conquerors (bomber NB, mag Templar, mag sorc) tried ganking me whilst I was killing a boss on my Templar (in imperial physique), unfortunately for them they got slaughtered.
I saw them later in the night, all 3 had imperial physique buff active so I wouldn't have killed them that time.

ComboBreaker88 · July 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

^but my added dps burns the boss quicker--and the latest jackal just did some stand on a ledge exploit that prevented the boss from attacking him while he did heavy attacks. sooo, my dps did a larger portion of the damage... anyhow i'm willing to chalk it up to evensies.
next!?

Your dps is irrelevant. With the 4x multiplier, If you solo a boss you get 22k stones. If 2 people take down a boss you get 7k stones. So unless you are helping them kill the boss 5 times faster you are costing them a great deal of stones.

notimetocare · July 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

^but my added dps burns the boss quicker--and the latest jackal just did some stand on a ledge exploit that prevented the boss from attacking him while he did heavy attacks. sooo, my dps did a larger portion of the damage... anyhow i'm willing to chalk it up to evensies.
next!?

Nope, still less. New bosses dont respawn fast enough. Static number of stones available for a set amount of time

generalmyrick · July 2017

So I guess I take my lower life form self away from the boss?

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

So I guess I take my lower life form self away from the boss?

You're learning!

generalmyrick · July 2017

These responses sadden me...Ivan a lower life form, thanks.

Epona222 · July 2017

The best response is "I paid for the game too, and have just as much right to be here". If they don't like it then they can go play something single player.

Also try to remember that yourself - then you'll be more able to laugh off their idiocy instead of trying to excuse your presence to them in a game that you paid for.

Emma_Overload · July 2017

I'll offer a different perspective on this. I frequently farm district bosses with just a couple other players, and yeah, it sucks when the stones are less because someone else joined in. But I NEVER complain to the guy or try to get him to leave. You know why? Because IC is full of gankers and other scumbags, and "strength in numbers" is a real thing. I appreciate the presence of friendly players, even if their "help" doesn't amount to much, because at least I can use them as human shields when the AD zerg shows up.

Malmai · July 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

The best response is "I paid for the game too, and have just as much right to be here". If they don't like it then they can go play something single player.

Also try to remember that yourself - then you'll be more able to laugh off their idiocy instead of trying to excuse your presence to them in a game that you paid for.

Its true its MMO and he can do whatever he wants but if you do that you are either kid or idiot...

VampiricByNature · July 2017

Personally, I do not play sewers often. If I do, I try to respect the solo or small group farmers there. If they clearly don't want help I just hop to my guest campaign. [And secretly hope they get ganked lol]
If I'm farming small scale and someone comes along to join it really sucks but I don't say anything to them. I just take it as gank protection and go on my merry way.

Epona222 · July 2017

Malmai wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

The best response is "I paid for the game too, and have just as much right to be here". If they don't like it then they can go play something single player.

Also try to remember that yourself - then you'll be more able to laugh off their idiocy instead of trying to excuse your presence to them in a game that you paid for.

Its true its MMO and he can do whatever he wants but if you do that you are either kid or idiot...

So... you are saying he should go away and do something else because some other player who is not his boss or his mother told him to? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh LOL.

ofSunhold · July 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

So I guess I take my lower life form self away from the boss?

Lol. You didn't know, and he could have taken twenty seconds to explain it to you instead of being a *** about it or assuming you were trying to leech.

Your choice to back off him or not. I would, better things to do.

Biro123 · July 2017

How many tel-var do you guys actually need?

I only ever farm anything if I need a specific item for a specific build. I mean, 70ktv an hour? And it sounds like you do this often? Just let the little guy tag on for 10 mins to get the 5k he needs then hell be done.

Honestly, the minute I get told to bugger off cos its 'someone elses' boss is the minute I switch faction, log my stamblade and go hunting.

Subversus · July 2017

They lose about 3.5k telvars if you split the drops with them, for what? 30 seconds faster to get to the second boss? It's overall a downside, not to mention that most ppl play with a friend already, therefore splitting it 3 ways.

RANKK7 · July 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

The best response is "I paid for the game too, and have just as much right to be here". If they don't like it then they can go play something single player.

Also try to remember that yourself - then you'll be more able to laugh off their idiocy instead of trying to excuse your presence to them in a game that you paid for.

Something with some logic.

BTW it's really hilarious, those kind of players may think they are waking up richer in their life the day after or something because some more tel vars, so much LOL.
Users should respect other users and their rights to be wherever the f they want to be in game.

It never happened to me, that would be the time I would report someone for harassment, because that's what it is.

Nestor wrote: »

Until the introduce a mechanic where the mobs come out with Property of "Player Steve" or whatever, no one owns them. Do as you see fit.

This.

Epona222 · July 2017

Also I want to make it clear that when I play I try to respect what other people are doing in game, but it has to work both ways. If people are trying to farm something I will try not to interfere with that, but similarly if I need to get a quest done or want to get an achievement or something, I expect similar respect.

No-one has any right to tell another player not to do something. Everyone has the right to ask though. Perhaps sometimes the response to asking in a friendly and polite way "hey we're trying to farm this area, would you mind going somehwere else?" will be "no, sorry mate, I need to get the achievement for this boss, but I'll move on afterwards". You attract more flies with honey than vinegar, and the person making the initial request in a nice way can get you a decent compromise where everyone goes away from it being ok with the outcome - being horribly pushy or confrontational or rude or dictatorial is more likely to result in a sort of "ok, if you're going to be rude to me, I'm going to do my best to **** up your day" type reaction. So many people don't seem to realise this simple fact of life. Or maybe they want a confrontation and something inconsequential to be angry about, I dunno *shrug*

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

You attract more flies with honey than vinegar, and the person making the initial request in a nice way can get you a decent compromise where everyone goes away from it being ok with the outcome - being horribly pushy or confrontational or rude or dictatorial is more likely to result in a sort of "ok, if you're going to be rude to me, I'm going to do my best to **** up your day" type reaction. So many people don't seem to realise this simple fact of life. Or maybe they want a confrontation and something inconsequential to be angry about, I dunno *shrug*

To be perfectly honest, and even though it's always better to be polite, in the case of boss grinders/farmers, it makes no difference whether they are polite or not. If they dare telling me to go away from them, I will stick around and do anything in my power to ruin their purpose.

Because wanting to keep anything just for oneself is the exact opposite of what an MMO is meant for.
Because people in an MMO are meant to group up and help each other. Because of all those selfish and entitled people, many lower-level players are blocked in their progression because other players won't dare helping them (like someone here described with temple bosses and arena bosses). People who tell other people to stay away from their mobs and their TV stones are damaging the game and the community. They should go play something single-player.

Epona222 · July 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

You attract more flies with honey than vinegar, and the person making the initial request in a nice way can get you a decent compromise where everyone goes away from it being ok with the outcome - being horribly pushy or confrontational or rude or dictatorial is more likely to result in a sort of "ok, if you're going to be rude to me, I'm going to do my best to **** up your day" type reaction. So many people don't seem to realise this simple fact of life. Or maybe they want a confrontation and something inconsequential to be angry about, I dunno *shrug*

To be perfectly honest, and even though it's always better to be polite, in the case of boss grinders/farmers, it makes no difference whether they are polite or not. If they dare telling me to go away from them, I will stick around and do anything in my power to ruin their purpose.

Because wanting to keep anything just for oneself is the exact opposite of what an MMO is meant for.
Because people in an MMO are meant to group up and help each other. Because of all those selfish and entitled people, many lower-level players are blocked in their progression because other players won't dare helping them (like someone here described with temple bosses and arena bosses). People who tell other people to stay away from their mobs and their TV stones are damaging the game and the community. They should go play something single-player.

Yeah I don't fundamentally disagree with that at all. I don't grind xp or tel var or anything else personally, I just am in favour of being respectful and helpful towards other players. If anyone is rude to me I'll be rude back however. And I'm not ever going to leave an area in the game because some other player told me to.

ParaNostram · July 2017

Personally I get upset because I want to prove that I can solo them.

Epona222 · July 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

Personally I get upset because I want to prove that I can solo them.

I believe Dark Souls is deemed to be the game in which to prove your solo prowess

ESO has other players in it - you just have to live with that.

Prof_Bawbag · July 2017

Basically, you're not allowed to kill trash mobs, IC bosses, have to ask permission to loot nodes, chests and a host of other single player esque nonsense. I'm all for player etiquette, but sometimes you really do have to question whether some people playing this game would be better of playing Skyrim, Mass effect or some other RPG.

Unless someone kindly takes it upon themselves to pay both my PSN+ and ESO+, then regardless of feelings, I'll kill what i see fit to kill. There's a huge difference between griefing someone and playing (which involves killing IC bosses and farming TV stones) the game the way it's intended to be played.