Star Made Knight

SirGabenOfSteamia · July 2017

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

paulsimonps · July 2017

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

You need both Morrowind Chapter and the Imperial City DLC for the title and "hat"

Shadzilla · July 2017

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

Need morrowind and imp city dlc's, gotta capture a district flag as well.

SirGabenOfSteamia · July 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

You need both Morrowind Chapter and the Imperial City DLC for the title and "hat"

Wow, a little bit disappointed. I get that pretty much half of the ESO PvP experience is behind DLC but you'd assume that with the other events being so player-friendly this one would be as well.

KingYogi415 · July 2017

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

You need both Morrowind Chapter and the Imperial City DLC for the title and "hat"

Wow, a little bit disappointed. I get that pretty much half of the ESO PvP experience is behind DLC but you'd assume that with the other events being so player-friendly this one would be as well.

It's very player friendly. Just sub and buy all chapters...

SirGabenOfSteamia · July 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

You need both Morrowind Chapter and the Imperial City DLC for the title and "hat"

Wow, a little bit disappointed. I get that pretty much half of the ESO PvP experience is behind DLC but you'd assume that with the other events being so player-friendly this one would be as well.

It's very player friendly. Just sub and buy all chapters...

Sorry, I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not lol. I meant it as in the way that everyone was able to get everything from the other events rather easily, whether you had DLC or not. Now only people who have sunk at least ~$67 into the game can really benefit from all there is to gain during Midyear Mayhem

Sylphex · July 2017

If you're not willing to support the game by paying for the content they keep bringing out, must you really complain about a title, of all things?

SoLooney · July 2017

If you dont want to support their dlc releases then your fault for not buying. all those dlc offer decent content.

Morgul667 · July 2017

It seems ZOS uses every possible way to entice us in buying DLC and expansion.

Not really nice but not surprising either

imnotanother · July 2017

Buy half the game - get half the experience.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · July 2017

Sylphex wrote: »

If you're not willing to support the game by paying for the content they keep bringing out, must you really complain about a title, of all things?

SoLooney wrote: »

If you dont want to support their dlc releases then your fault for not buying. all those dlc offer decent content.

Funny because the OP states he has morrowind, guesss this is what fanboyism looks like.

Remag_Div · July 2017

Morgul667 wrote: »

It seems ZOS uses every possible way to entice us in buying DLC and expansion.

Not really nice but not surprising either

It's almost as if they're a business trying to make as much money as possible.

paulsimonps · July 2017

Remag_Div wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

It seems ZOS uses every possible way to entice us in buying DLC and expansion.

Not really nice but not surprising either

It's almost as if they're a business trying to make as much money as possible.

Its always surprising at how many people don't get the fact that people want to get paid for a living. This is how MMO companies survive and people get to keep their job, and have the possibility of more people getting a job at said company.

SirGabenOfSteamia · July 2017

Sylphex wrote: »

If you're not willing to support the game by paying for the content they keep bringing out, must you really complain about a title, of all things?

have you read the op? i own both ic and morrow. i simply think its unfair for those who don't.

mesmerizedish · July 2017

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

Sylphex wrote: »

If you're not willing to support the game by paying for the content they keep bringing out, must you really complain about a title, of all things?

have you read the op? i own both ic and morrow. i simply think its unfair for those who don't.

People who don't buy Morrowind also can't get the Librarian achievement. Is that unfair? The parts of this holiday that aren't attached to IC or Morrowind don't require IC or Morrowind, but some parts are, so they do. I don't understand how anyone could think this unfair.

Your position seems to be "holidays should only involve original vanilla content," which I have to point out would still make them unavailable to people who don't buy the game and significantly less interesting to people who do have access to the post-launch content.

Jamascus · July 2017

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

It's a money grab. Gamer psychologist on staff knowing that people want titles so they'll spend money on Morrowind even though they otherwise wouldn't if no title was involved.

SirGabenOfSteamia · July 2017

mesmerizedish wrote: »

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

Sylphex wrote: »

If you're not willing to support the game by paying for the content they keep bringing out, must you really complain about a title, of all things?

have you read the op? i own both ic and morrow. i simply think its unfair for those who don't.

People who don't buy Morrowind also can't get the Librarian achievement. Is that unfair? The parts of this holiday that aren't attached to IC or Morrowind don't require IC or Morrowind, but some parts are, so they do. I don't understand how anyone could think this unfair.

Your position seems to be "holidays should only involve original vanilla content," which I have to point out would still make them unavailable to people who don't buy the game and significantly less interesting to people who do have access to the post-launch content.

Its unfair because holiday events should be celebrated by the entirety of the community. Those yet to spend any extra money on the game will now feel forced or urged to buy into chapters and DLCs because holiday events only come once every year. There's a such thing as people who are collectors, and I, myself am one of them. When I see a cool new title and hat that I know will only be available for a few days I want it, and I want it then. Things like paywalls, especially in MMOs where you can play with friends and show off your style to the world, take advantage of people who get really into said game. The Librarian title was part of the Morrowind chapter experience. We got what we paid for with that--- I didn't see event stuff in the description of it.

My position is not "holidays should only involve original vanilla content." My position is "everyone should be able to celebrate these times of year together, and have fun together, and not miss out on certain things just because they haven't sunk over half a hundred bucks on a game which already has a price tag on it."

Midyear Mayhem has been a disaster so far. Its by far the laziest of every event yet. The only thing that's getting everyone involved is the double AP--- which, has even helped PvE players realize how much of a sorry state the game is in right now. The campaign servers keep crashing, hundreds of player are getting booted out of Cyro less than an hour after getting in from a 400 player queue, its introduced exploiters into the PvP scenario who continue to just rotate keeps between one another in order to take best advantage of the AP gain, and to top it all off, there are a decent amount of difficult-to-complete achievements to mask the fact that, if not for the grind to get Midyear Boxes, getting the title would barely last two hours for everyone.

Sure, you can argue that all the other events were the same deal, just a big grind fest to get everything required for the achievement, but at least the Witches' Festival encouraged people to use the group finder and run dungeons with each other, and the New Life and Jesters' Festival had players trading the title requirements amongst one another--- and there were quests. Base-game quests, believe it or not. Quests that weren't fun but at least it was content that everyone could get behind without needing to spend ~$67 to access. Like, c'mon man, open your eyes and see the problem here! No offense, of course.

I just think people shouldn't have to need to pay for something that until now, was free. So what if Morrowind was absurdly expensive for the amount of content we got? We shouldn't need to feel entitled to things just because we feel cheated for what we got. Instead of putting out all this paid content, ZoS should put their mind to making the base game better and more enjoyable. And I'm not only talking about the occasional free content patch like Homestead, I mean bug-fixing and smoothing out the game's performance on consoles and heavily populated PC campaigns. If we start thinking that events should have DLC-required achievements, then how long until we have a Shadows of the Hist event or Horns of the Reach event or Orsinium event or Clockwork City event? It shouldn't be happening now and it shouldn't be happening ever.

Chantclaire · July 2017

I have all the dlc and I agree that it should be available to everyone. the new life festival and witches festival weren't closed behind a pay wall...so why is midyear mayhem. Kinda sucks for someone who is new and hasn't got the dlc yet, or for one reason or another can't afford the dlc.

Remag_Div · July 2017

Jamascus wrote: »

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

It's a money grab. Gamer psychologist on staff knowing that people want titles so they'll spend money on Morrowind even though they otherwise wouldn't if no title was involved.

You don't really need to be a gaming psychologist to know that. Common sense that many players are achievement hunters / completionists so they tie stuff to DLC and expansions.

ESO and a thousand other games do this.

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2017

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

In game it displays on my screen as "Store-Bought Knight" for some reason. Must be some kind of bug. Wait did i just pull a "sour grapes" fox move? Naw, it's honestly not a big deal, it's just a title and a few achievement points and a crown you won't wear for long, a few OCD achievement completionist types might get impulsed in on this one, but I doubt it was a closer for many. If it was, than look out for the next special event to see what chapter content will be required. Personally, I think if they can close sales with that strat than all the power to them, smoke em if you got em.

S1ipperyJim · July 2017

There are tons of other much better costumes, achievements and items locked behind DLC, I'm not sure why some people are up in arms about this one. The wreath is poorly designed, both in appearance and where it sits/meshes on characters' heads anyway.

Narvuntien · July 2017

If you are a completionist you probably going to want to finish the game first.

I know I cannot get that achievement, okay sure I can't get the achievement. *Enjoys his double AP*

R4TTIUS · July 2017

Why does everyone keep going on about DLC stuff, mirrowwind is an expansion for a start and quite obviously you don't get that in the DLC section of ESO sub, now that is the biggest annoyance they are literally turning into EA, and this game will just become a Pay2Win game shortly.

The achievement thing is rather annoying, I've been subbed for a long time but didn't buy morrowwind as it was very buggy at start and im not into waiting ages for hotfixrs that have to get hotfixed themself (yes my choice not to buy it) but being I've been subbed for a long time I think battlegrounds should be a separate DLC to morrowind, as they have literally just shut off a part of the game to people unless you pay (which I do) (that's not supporting your customer base), so why would you get support for that.

In my eyes this is like doing an event where you can only run DLC dungeons yes might be fine but they would never do it because it would put a wall up on alot of the player base.

My point is it's annoying not being able to get the achievement solely because I don't own morrowind but yet have been paying the whole time ive played, I did ever other task for the achievement within 2 days that is the only one, I'm not a title grabber so it's not a massive down side but basically the event is pointless for me yeah I get a bit of gear and stuff that I have and don't need as gold is not an issue for me.

So what is the point in the Event (if it can be called that)

Magdalina · July 2017

I'll be (and am) the first one to bash Zeni for cheap cash grabbing tactics they use(such us awful droprates of new furniture that costs 500 crowns each in crown store, for example), but even I don't think Zeni should only base events and other free updates on base game. If anything that would be unfair to people who HAVE bought dlcs/chapters and would like to have some variety in their activities. Sorry if it sounds selfish, but in this case, why should the wants of people NOT supporting the game be more important than those of people supporting it?

PvP only has so much to it, I'm actually glad it's incentivising people to do BGs and IC again.

The completionism point confuses me. All you're missing is like 70 achievements points, a title and a mildly potato wreath. There're dozens of titles, a personality, several costumes, 2 tattoos and even a piece of bop furniture locked behind Morrowind as well. Is it also unfair that people who have only bought base game don't get them? They're adding a new BG mode too, which will be available for everyone who has Morrowind. Is it unfair that this new mode will also only be available to those who have Morrowind?

Zolkoe · July 2017

Magdalina wrote: »

Sorry if it sounds selfish, but in this case, why should the wants of people NOT supporting the game be more important than those of people supporting it?

I think subscribers are supporting the game. Heck, even the base game owners are supporting the game. If you think they are not supporting the game well enough, hmm... it's your opinion. Anyway I got the title too but I agree with OP.

I consider this mentality disadvantageous for the player base as a whole, that's why ZOS can get away with a lot of things.
The devs screwed you over? Lucky me, I'm not involved.
You got a few hours/days maintenance during your prime gaming time? You should go out to catch butterflies, fortunately it's no concern of me.
You can't take part fully in a holiday event? You should've bought the new chapter, like me.

We could act as fellow players and let ZOS act as the greedy corporation (that they are

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code65536 · July 2017

Its unfair because holiday events should be celebrated by the entirety of the community.

But it is. I captured one district for the achievement. Did a BG for the achievement. And then spent pretty much the rest of my time in vanilla-game Cyrodiil. Open world is where the AP is, so open world is where the bulk of this event takes place. I haven't seen Cyrodiil this lively since 2015. You need the paid content to get a title and misshapen wreath. But you don't need the paid content to get your fun out of this event.

Morvane · July 2017

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Balsagna · July 2017

SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »

One of the requirements of the title is to win a battlegrounds match. As far as I'm aware, battlegrounds is a Morrowind-owner-exclusive experience. Does that mean that the DLC will need to be owned to receive the title? If not, then I'm a little bit misinformed. But if so, that's a little bit ridiculous. I own Morrowind but wow would that be unfair to those who don't, especially since everyone has access to the event. I get that it's just a title but it's pretty much putting a paywall on letters under your name at that point.

Thanks.

I don't see what the problem is. Why wouldn't the event include the new chapter or whatever they call it? I feel like this would be common practice in any game that had expansion type content released.

I really hate the pervasive feeling in the world that you are entitled to something. You aren't entitled to ****.

GreyWolf_79 · July 2017

I might agree with you on principle, but... it's just a title. ZOS is trying to make money. If you want all the achievements, you have to buy all the content anyway.

Sorry if that makes me sound like a fanboy or whiteknight. I'm not going to tell someone that they should or shouldn't buy something, or that they need to play this way, or that they shouldn't complain about issues they're having with the game. It's a game, you either buy it or you don't, you either sub or you don't, you can buy or ignore any expansions or DLC or whatever... but you have to assume that some content will be locked behind a paywall, and that content will probably also include things like achievements, costumes, mounts, etc. that you can't get any other way. That's how they make money. It's not really "new" content if it doesn't also include... "new" content.

Can't please everyone all the time. If you cater to the base game owners, you lose points with the subscribers. And vice versa. I'm very much against anything that could be legitimately considered "pay to win", but in this case we're talking about an achievement, title, and a cosmetic item. None of which give you any real in-game advantage aside from I suppose bragging rights. Is that really a major issue?

mb10 · July 2017

Sylphex wrote: »

If you're not willing to support the game by paying for the content they keep bringing out, must you really complain about a title, of all things?

@Sylphex

"Support" the game. You're acting like its on it's last legs!
The game is very very well fed financially atm and no one is going to buy morrowind just for the title from the holiday event so why include the achievement in the first place?

Reverb · July 2017

I get where you're coming from, but I can't vilify Zeni for doing this. We should expect that other seasonal events will also have components locked behind a paywall. As someone above said "buy half the game, get half the experience". All players can participate in the event, but not all players can complete all components. That's aligned with what I expect from a b2p game, and I'm surprised that people think this 's a big deal.