In PvP, who under preforms?
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Speaking about mNB being bad, yet 9/10 emperors are mNB...
@Enslaved Isn't it funny how that works? Yet we will see thread after thread of people begging for Nightblade buffs, and swearing out how "squishy" and weak they are. You will see people making claims of how "skillful" Nightblades as a class are, and how it takes all this dedication to be proficient with them. Meanwhile, a complete beginner can pick-up a NB (mag or stamina), and unleash havoc. And don't let an "Anti-NB Thread" appear. Oh no. They will swarm and derail the thread like nothing you've seen before. It's ridiculous, to be honest.Edited by Ch4mpTW on July 24, 2017 7:34AM3 -
BraidasNM✭✭✭✭depends what kind of pvp you're talking about. magblade specifically tho i dont think is underpowered in any form of pvp atmEdited by BraidasNM on July 24, 2017 7:48AMYoutube
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Morvane✭✭✭✭Speaking about mNB being bad, yet 9/10 emperors are mNB...
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Skinzz✭✭✭✭✭Stamplars and non bomber magblade definitely the weakest atmAnybody got a group? LFG, anybody? Hello?3 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭
Stam DKs are underperforming as DPS's, but they still make the best tanks in the game.. just got to spec them to their strengths.Stam NBs dont bring much to a group, but they are more solo style anyway...
They are not underperforming as DPS's they are underperforming in burst because they simply are not made to burst.
And in PvP any shielded DD is stronger than a tank.
That is the worst design mistake in Cyrodiil because any DD with shields > high defensive Tank builds.
In other words we only need DDs and stupid procc builds without using our brains.
Especially when it comes to non CP because it's simply not balanced.
Edited by Bromburak on July 24, 2017 8:19AM5 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Magic NB or the weakest imo bombers are a one trick pony but an open world none bomber build is very weak.
Stamplars I would say are not far behind
Then I would say mdk after them in open world3 -
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✭✭✭✭I can disagree on the stam sorc. People just prefer the proctatos and stamDKs these days for stam builds, which is why ya don't see em very often. However, my buddy in AD would pvp on a stamsorc, and he just does amazingly."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Magic NB or the weakest imo bombers are a one trick pony but an open world none bomber build is very weak.
Stamplars I would say are not far behind
Then I would say mdk after them in open world
I disagree. A moderately skilled MagBlade is a major threat to have as an opponent in Cyrodiil. And if you are up against a highly skilled MagBlade, then you have nothing more dangerous to on your hands to deal with. As much as I find MagSorcs and MagPlars to be nuisances and incredibly frustrating to deal with, they don't come close to the threat level of a MagBlade. And no, I'm not talking about bomber MagBlades. Although those are dangerous in their own way too. Those of you who find MagBlades weak that aren't bombers, must not have fought MagBlades who know what they are doing. Even the best of MagPlars and MagSorcs can get blasted and feasted on by a skilled MagBlade. I've seen it personally. I've witnessed a single MagBlade rip apart a group like nothing, without having to rely on bomb cheese builds.4 -
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✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Magic NB or the weakest imo bombers are a one trick pony but an open world none bomber build is very weak.
Stamplars I would say are not far behind
Then I would say mdk after them in open world
I disagree. A moderately skilled MagBlade is a major threat to have as an opponent in Cyrodiil. And if you are up against a highly skilled MagBlade, then you have nothing more dangerous to on your hands to deal with. As much as I find MagSorcs and MagPlars to be nuisances and incredibly frustrating to deal with, they don't come close to the threat level of a MagBlade. And no, I'm not talking about bomber MagBlades. Although those are dangerous in their own way too. Those of you who find MagBlades weak that aren't bombers, must not have fought MagBlades who know what they are doing. Even the best of MagPlars and MagSorcs can get blasted and feasted on by a skilled MagBlade. I've seen it personally. I've witnessed a single MagBlade rip apart a group like nothing, without having to rely on bomb cheese builds.
It sounds like you've mostly fought the ones in heavy armor?Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info4 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭magicka NB under performing? His survival and mobility is outstanding and even detonation builds still work.
On top of it, you always can get away when you realize that last man standing will not work out for you this time.
And in general i think a class with skills doing damage while getting healed the same time is pretty strong because
you don't have to spam shields or heals non stop to react on pressure situations, you are the one who is able to start the pressure.
A well played mag NB still wrecks groups it's hard to believe that someone thinks that mag NBs are under performing.
I would agree when you say that a mag NB needs patience in fights because he is not a procc burst noob.6 -
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✭✭✭✭Non-healbot/solo magicka templars in bad spot. Worst damage output from all classes, worst CC capability from all classes, worse sustain from all classes. <-- Those definetly not worthy of being best support class.5 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Magic NB or the weakest imo bombers are a one trick pony but an open world none bomber build is very weak.
Stamplars I would say are not far behind
Then I would say mdk after them in open world
I disagree. A moderately skilled MagBlade is a major threat to have as an opponent in Cyrodiil. And if you are up against a highly skilled MagBlade, then you have nothing more dangerous to on your hands to deal with. As much as I find MagSorcs and MagPlars to be nuisances and incredibly frustrating to deal with, they don't come close to the threat level of a MagBlade. And no, I'm not talking about bomber MagBlades. Although those are dangerous in their own way too. Those of you who find MagBlades weak that aren't bombers, must not have fought MagBlades who know what they are doing. Even the best of MagPlars and MagSorcs can get blasted and feasted on by a skilled MagBlade. I've seen it personally. I've witnessed a single MagBlade rip apart a group like nothing, without having to rely on bomb cheese builds.
It sounds like you've mostly fought the ones in heavy armor?
I don't know their setups, and if I said I knew their builds — I'd be lying. All I know is that these people were incredibly dangerous. People tend to forget that MagBlades are essentially MagSorcs, without the shield spamming and mines and strong pets to abuse. But what do they have in place of it...? Stealth, better mobility, higher burst, stronger self-buffs, and the best CC abilities the game has to offer. All of which are coming together to create a very potent mixture of whoop-ass. Lol.
Matter of a fact, a perfect example. Just yesterday I was going from Sejanus to BRK, and watched what I think was a DC MagBlade pick apart a zerg that was chasing him. I was watching from up top of the outpost (lol I was cheesing with that oil, as there was a previous engagement there of a zerg attacking the outpost), and the MagBlade was just slaying them. And this was no noob zerg either. I'm talking tribunes and above. And that MagBlade was going ham on them. Merked every last 1 of them, and took off. I was just watching like, "Damn... That boy just did work."Edited by Ch4mpTW on July 24, 2017 8:44AM2 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Magic NB or the weakest imo bombers are a one trick pony but an open world none bomber build is very weak.
Stamplars I would say are not far behind
Then I would say mdk after them in open world
I disagree. A moderately skilled MagBlade is a major threat to have as an opponent in Cyrodiil. And if you are up against a highly skilled MagBlade, then you have nothing more dangerous to on your hands to deal with. As much as I find MagSorcs and MagPlars to be nuisances and incredibly frustrating to deal with, they don't come close to the threat level of a MagBlade. And no, I'm not talking about bomber MagBlades. Although those are dangerous in their own way too. Those of you who find MagBlades weak that aren't bombers, must not have fought MagBlades who know what they are doing. Even the best of MagPlars and MagSorcs can get blasted and feasted on by a skilled MagBlade. I've seen it personally. I've witnessed a single MagBlade rip apart a group like nothing, without having to rely on bomb cheese builds.
It sounds like you've mostly fought the ones in heavy armor?
I don't know their setups, and if I said I knew their builds — I'd be lying. All I know is that these people were incredibly dangerous. People tend to forget that MagBlades are essentially MagSorcs, without the shield spamming and mines and strong pets to abuse. But what do they have in place of it...? Stealth, better mobility, higher burst, stronger self-buffs, and the best CC abilities the game has to offer. All of which are coming together to create a very potent mixture of whoop-ass. Lol.
Matter of a fact, a perfect example. Just yesterday I was going from Sejanus to BRK, and watched what I think was a DC MagBlade pick apart a zerg that was chasing him. I was watching from up top of the outpost (lol I was cheesing with that oil, as there was a previous engagement there of a zerg attacking the outpost), and the MagBlade was just slaying them. And this was no noob zerg either. I'm talking tribunes and above. And that MagBlade was going ham on them. Merked every last 1 of them, and took off. I was just watching like, "Damn... That boy just did work."
Sounds like KenaPK. Was it on PC/NA?Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Magic NB or the weakest imo bombers are a one trick pony but an open world none bomber build is very weak.
Stamplars I would say are not far behind
Then I would say mdk after them in open world
I disagree. A moderately skilled MagBlade is a major threat to have as an opponent in Cyrodiil. And if you are up against a highly skilled MagBlade, then you have nothing more dangerous to on your hands to deal with. As much as I find MagSorcs and MagPlars to be nuisances and incredibly frustrating to deal with, they don't come close to the threat level of a MagBlade. And no, I'm not talking about bomber MagBlades. Although those are dangerous in their own way too. Those of you who find MagBlades weak that aren't bombers, must not have fought MagBlades who know what they are doing. Even the best of MagPlars and MagSorcs can get blasted and feasted on by a skilled MagBlade. I've seen it personally. I've witnessed a single MagBlade rip apart a group like nothing, without having to rely on bomb cheese builds.
It sounds like you've mostly fought the ones in heavy armor?
I don't know their setups, and if I said I knew their builds — I'd be lying. All I know is that these people were incredibly dangerous. People tend to forget that MagBlades are essentially MagSorcs, without the shield spamming and mines and strong pets to abuse. But what do they have in place of it...? Stealth, better mobility, higher burst, stronger self-buffs, and the best CC abilities the game has to offer. All of which are coming together to create a very potent mixture of whoop-ass. Lol.
Matter of a fact, a perfect example. Just yesterday I was going from Sejanus to BRK, and watched what I think was a DC MagBlade pick apart a zerg that was chasing him. I was watching from up top of the outpost (lol I was cheesing with that oil, as there was a previous engagement there of a zerg attacking the outpost), and the MagBlade was just slaying them. And this was no noob zerg either. I'm talking tribunes and above. And that MagBlade was going ham on them. Merked every last 1 of them, and took off. I was just watching like, "Damn... That boy just did work."
Sounds like KenaPK. Was it on PC/NA?
Nope. PS4-NA.0 -
Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭In my opinion, the stam sorc and magicka nightblade under preform. This is merely in your experience, while there are no wrong answers if you say magic sorc then you're a dip. Please provide some reasoning for these as well.
Stam sorc; it has like no class abilties, it's mostly just weapon skills
nightmage; They get messed to easily, and in comparison to stamblade there is little competition
It's almost like you don't even play the game!
Just because you can't play the class, doesn't mean that others don't excel with the class. My Stam Sorc is awesome in PVP and I've been killed by lots of Mag NB1 -
Bam_Bam✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ceridwynne wrote: »Me!! I am terrible at pvp no matter what class I am playing.
Everyone is at first! Keep practising. Try to stick to one class. Check out all the skills you have available to you and don't be afraid to try different things. Try not to panic. Learn that getting rekt is just part of the process - in time you'll learn how to avoid it. Running solo takes skill. Running in an organised raid (zerg) also takes skill. Sometimes taking down 1 player is impossiblle. Sometimes taking down a zerg is easy. (OK, not easy, but doable).
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »In my opinion, the stam sorc and magicka nightblade under preform. This is merely in your experience, while there are no wrong answers if you say magic sorc then you're a dip. Please provide some reasoning for these as well.
Stam sorc; it has like no class abilties, it's mostly just weapon skills
nightmage; They get messed to easily, and in comparison to stamblade there is little competition
It's almost like you don't even play the game!
Just because you can't play the class, doesn't mean that others don't excel with the class. My Stam Sorc is awesome in PVP and I've been killed by lots of Mag NB
Hurricane implosion still gets me salty to this very day. Thanks for that, Wrobel. StamSorcs really needed Hurricane, which is essentially the Monk's "Sweeping Wind" skill from Diablo 3.
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BraidasNM✭✭✭✭Non-healbot/solo magicka templars in bad spot. Worst damage output from all classes, worst CC capability from all classes, worse sustain from all classes. <-- Those definetly not worthy of being best support class.
the cc really kills it as a solo classYoutube
"I like to think of myself as the good cop and braidas as the bad cop. Hes the little devil on DC's shoulder, im the angel" -Subtomik3 -
ChildOfLight✭✭✭StamDk. Pvp wise dead.
No mobility
No spammable
No resource managment after the recent nerfs on its passives
No execution skills
I don't exactly know how you are supposed to kill things that shield up through your damage.
MagDk at least coud use the class base skills that are powerfull
Every class has something to excel. StamDk has litterally nothing.
I would suggest to take in consideration how many streamers actually play stamDk. i guess there are 2 just minor streamers.
Kodi litterally left in order to play a magSorc and achieve 25kills0deaths in BG every run.PC EU
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Speaking about mNB being bad, yet 9/10 emperors are mNB...
@Enslaved Isn't it funny how that works? Yet we will see thread after thread of people begging for Nightblade buffs, and swearing out how "squishy" and weak they are. You will see people making claims of how "skillful" Nightblades as a class are, and how it takes all this dedication to be proficient with them. Meanwhile, a complete beginner can pick-up a NB (mag or stamina), and unleash havoc. And don't let an "Anti-NB Thread" appear. Oh no. They will swarm and derail the thread like nothing you've seen before. It's ridiculous, to be honest.
U mad bro?
If you think sNB is not squishy, you are living a lie.
If you think sNB and mNB are easy to play compared to any other class, you are plain and simply crazy.
And about havoc... 15 minutes on mSorc yesterday to get achievement related to holiday event - 100+ kills. Rotation? Spam shields, defensive rune every now and then and non stop mages wrath. Skillful, isn't it? Yes, it was large scale battle, yes, both AD and DC were going for BRK, but still, 100+ kills without skill at all, I had shiet tier sets in purple quality (lich and vicious death with kena shoulder) and wow I am TrVeKiLlAh1337 all of sudden. Compared to that bullshiet, running a bomb blade is skillful AF.
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Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Stam sorc underperforms?
I would say yes when it comes to 1vX because a stamina DD must kill fast (burst) or your stamina is drained in no time as soon you encounter good players. In other words you are the one who is under pressure non stop and run out of juice real quick.
A stam burst DD like NBs don't run into this problem because they gone right after a quick kill, so running out of juice by enemies doesn't have any impact on them. (classic Assasin gameplay works in ESO pretty well but everything else doesn't)
As a stam Sorc you run around and look pretty stable vs. casuals but the reality is that you get drained by totally OP and imbalanced skills that make you run out of stamina in no time and there is nothing you can do about it in current state of the game. Or maybe yes, just play 10-50 PvP campaigns. ;-)
It's not the class, it's the insane "skills" by enemies that suck your stam pool dry in combination with bad sustain mechanics on top of it. That's why everyone trying to play burst procc builds , no skill required and a workaround for sustain issues since morrowind.
Welcome to ESO PvP.
Edited by Bromburak on July 24, 2017 9:27AM2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭let me just clarify, stam sorc as a class under preforms. They are powerful because of weapon skills, Hurricane does very little damage
So if class have no god high dmg ability then it's weak ? So stam dk is also weak....
Great PvP build need to have decent dmg , good sustain and survivality and some mobility. Stam sorc have it all and it doesnt matter which skill comes from which skill tree if You can create complete build.
Critical surge , dark deal , blink , huricane , atronach , negate , overload (with overload bar) , boundless armanents , those are all great class skill stam sorc can use to fill his PvP build. Dmg will alwasy be based on weapon abilities but that's completly not a problem.0 -
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✭I view pvp performance as more of a rock-paper-scissors type of relationship. Certain classes or builds counter aspects of other classes or builds. Basically every class has something that is envied or hated by every other class which can make life difficult for various builds within each class.
Sorcs have one extra shield, streak, encase, the most hated curse + fury, and dark exchange
Templars have all the snares, radiant destruction, massive heals, and that stupid f***ing javelin.
Nightblades have fear, shade port, cloak, incap, and some weirdly powerful stamina skills.
Dk has fossilize, talons, wings, huge burst gap closer AoE CC ultimate, and AoE interrupts.
Wardens have like every minor buff in the game, cheap and powerful ultimates for both healing and AoE CC damage, borderline invisible unblockable/undodgeable high damage AoE CC cone attack, a high damage undodegable/unreflectable ranged spamable skill, and major defense buffs for the group.
Personally, I think all classes can perform pretty well.Edited by Drummerx04 on July 24, 2017 9:24AMPC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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✭✭✭✭✭Olen_Mikko wrote: »NBs might seem weak, but in the right hands (yes, you really REALLY R E A L L Y need to l2p this class) they're really strong.
Yep. An "average" stam & mag NB is not a threat. An "average" Mag Sorc is a big threat...
(btw. compared to Mag Sorc - every other class under preforms... )
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